/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>try to find reactions to trashy but hot bl webtoon
>get the stupid fucking nucarni debate in the search instead
I genuinely want every one involved to die. One half is mentally delayed and won't shut the fuck up, the other half is spouting retarded bullshit about how bl is for queer men when its for women by women.

>>15066
Even funnier because all those "queer men" saying it's for them are just Aidens.

>talking about character / ship I like
>"oh why do you like them so much"
>explain why I like character / ship
>"that's really interesting, most people in this fandom really hate character / ship. you're the first person I've talked to that actually likes them so much"
okay…

>>15069
Kek some people are simply incapable of reading the room.

>>15069
Hiveminding is so annoying. People always hate the same shit for a different excuse. There are so many cases in which 4chan and tumblr seeth about the exact same characters or series that I asked myself if might actually be the same people who just roleplay as leftist on tumblr, respectively as rightoids when they're on 4chan. But the truth is probably that they don't engage with fiction at all or at least not neutrally and just adapt whatever bullshit notorious youtubers or fans are spewing.

When I joined the transformers fandom my favorite character was so despised and hated on tumblr in particular that you couldn't go a day without another "thinkpiece" textwall in which someone projected every evil thing and radical politician/guy (including torquemada, hitler and trump) into that guy even for the parts where it made no sense. Thought "oh oh" when I saw that before posting my first fanart. But then I did it anyway and besides some people seething about that guy after seeing my art (but not me, for some reason) eventually others started drawing him too and things calmed down!

I doubt that I am the trigger for that. But being chill about liking le ebil/weird/unpopular characters helps normalizing this and making people aware that they're seething about potentially gay 2D creatures instead of actual mass murderers.

You are just one out of many, but it has to start somewhere. Hiding it would be the wrong choice, it would only influence even more labile people who are afraid of developing their own taste.

>>15069
>>"oh why do you like them so much"
I wouldn't have answered that. Anyone who forms a question like that isn't there to discuss anything worth my time.

>>15072
To be honest, the fact that anon CAN answer why they like them is already charitable enough. Most people when asked "why do you like character / ship" they either don't know what to say or only say surface level shit like "they're cute / hot".

>>15071
>But being chill about liking le ebil/weird/unpopular characters helps normalizing this
I remember some years ago during 2016-2018, liking villain / evil characters became something to hate people over or call them a word salad "apologist" of every evil in the world, it somewhat stopped in some manner but you still see it from time to time depending on the fandom. It's weird when I see it because people have romanticized the term "toxic yaoi" so much over the years when actually legitimate toxic dynamics are present in a ship, often with an actual villain and not some random bully 'rival', they start to be like "uhmm this is abuse"

>>15071
Gotta be Getaway or Prowl

>>15066
on the one hand I'm glad people are telling these yumes to fuck off, but on the other hand you have these "fags" acting like the nucarni team isn't full of women and they even put out a statement that the game is for women. idk if they close their eyes and plugged their ears, or are just choosing to be ignorant. a game like this is obviously not made for them either.

>>15069
same experience i had with my ship. From what i can tell this is usually said by people that either like the "popular" ship or brainded retards that cannot function without having the masses agree with them.

Saw this and I'll for sure be called a pickme for agreeing with this, but I agree wholeheartedly.

>>15085
Why would you get called a pickme? Those retards are annoying and do fuck shit up.

>>15085
based af. being a millennial fujo is suffering in today's fandom climate.

>>15085
Ma'am this is a safe place for fujos. It's okay to unbuckle your belt and unfasten your pants.

>>15087
>remember how much fun I had being a young writer looking up to all the older writers with published quality stories
>I gotta hone my craft so I can be this for young writers when I'm older
>late 2010s fandom discourse nuclear bomb 10000 years wokescold radiation
welp!
>>15089
This site is the only place online that has the correct pH balance for millennial fujos.

>>15090
ayrt, same hat! I'm ESL so when I finally felt confident enough to write in English I was so excited. then a handful of years later I got weird comments like "uhmmmm, why are you writing about UNDERAGE characters???" and I just lost all hope. all I wanted was to write gay porn about my fave boys…

>>15085
>>15087
Indeed. As a millennial fujo this isn’t even about pro vs anti shit, but it’s just gay drawings for god’s sake!! Zoomers are simultaneously the most puritan and hypersexual generation to exist. Hetero male coomshit gets pushed as empowering while shipping teenage characters puts you on the same level as a sex offender.

IMO the biggest mistake was making yaoi a political statement. Why can’t girls just enjoy a hobby without having to justify or defend it?

>>15085
>west asia brazil and south asia
also latinos because for some reason they downloaded tumblr 2016 bingo card in 2026

>>15093
I fell like the American socjustic culture really did take about a decade to spread everywhere, which is funny, because there's been a drastic turn from it in the US, with even very lefty people criticizing 'woke 1.0'.

>>15092
I blame tumblr, but also social media at large for turning hobbies into politics. I suppose you could call it the ultimate evolution of 'slacktivism'. Now, you don't even need to post Kony 2012 on FB, you can watch your show and that counts just as much.

>>15085
I remember how often I'd read NSFW Haikyu fics when it was my hyperfixation and it felt like even on tumblr the fanbase was just chill about it. It was a good time.

>>15085
No, I can't stand them either and I can't stand that Nakamura is getting hate because they have latched onto it. The overwoke part of Transformers at least has the balls to be openly degenerated, this new of type of political purist sounds like a bunch of screeching kids. I remember even seeing them going ballistic in some fandom I forgot the name of because some fans were sfw shipping the characters. As in, just drawing them blushing and such. And yes I also blame tumblr.

What angers me even more is that there are zero hints for them being actually woke, progressive, anticapitalist, call it whatever. They NEVER care about stories that actually thematize these topics, they also never talk about real people and problems. If they mention anybody it's always their "toxic" ex-gf or their mother whom they are still seething about 10 years later and pretending to be traumatized by them for calling them out once.

>>15097
It's almost like creating an untouchable cultural class that one can identify into via their tumblr bios and instantly become immune to all criticism attracts narcissists…

The average Transformers fan has the most insane cuntboy fetish I've ever seen in my life. They make the guys who hornypost in the comments at the deranged women on r/FTMspunished seem normal by comparison.

>>15098
I mean most people had a phase where they LARPed online and claimed to be XXxfallen angelxXX and the reborn soul of a demon or some shit but first it happened when you were like 12 and ended with 16 at the latest while these people are mostly in their mid/late twenties and secondly did I never meet one who got political over it.

Maybe the lack of connection was a blessing. You have the same phenomenon with idiot boomers. Back in the day you had those shizos too but they never mattered because they were isolated. Now all backwater towns' shizo boomers connected with each other and formed at least one political party in every country that gain momentum because more shizos join and a lot of other boomers discover the hidden shizo in them that they always had but suppressed before.

Social media made every bullshit seem legit and mainstream and we reap what they have sown. For fandoms I don't even care what fetishes people have but it's annoying when everybody joins a hivemind. At least save for Transformers I never had a fandom with trans fanart AFAIK and even the TF shit is limited to porn, so I never saw anybody calling any of my favs women so far (I know they do it with Starscream though, but I am more into other dudes).

>>15100
>I never had a fandom with trans fanart AFAIK
We must all pity the Jayvik yaoi fans.

>>15101
When I was big into Arcane I never touched its Twitter fanbase aside from Asian artists and stuck to the /co/ and /tv/ generals. Even then people would bring off-site discourse to the thread and there'd be surprise tranny Viktor art sometimes (but the 4.5 Jayviks there hated it at least).

>>14830
Did something happen to fandom, or did something happen to the real world? Lockdown, police violence, a miserable news cycle, job crises, blah blah blah. I'm not surprised at all people are acting weird about fiction too! If you want the annoying pseudo-fandom kids to go away, you need to give them what they want: a nurturing community and like-minded friends. Then they'll probably watch the shows they where LARPing over together (maybe TV was never meant to be a solo activity)

>>15103
>(maybe TV was never meant to be a solo activity)
It wasn't lol. You're supposed to sit down as friends or family in the living room and laugh and joke and cry together while you watch. Everyone having their own screen with on-demand tailored content really killed this.

>>15104
I guess anime was just a transient hinterland between the simpsons and tiktok, then? Early on, you could personalise your media outside of the western mainstream with a great effort, a whole community of fansubbers etc. putting in effort too. Then they made it easier, and now it's so easy that the hobby/community element has to come from something else, & the show itself doesn't really feel special.

>>15102
>but the 4.5 Jayviks there hated it at least
I was one of them. Why 4.5?
homo.webm

It's kind of funny seeing women claim defending female characters (mostly) written by men, often in ways in which their romantic love for a male overtakes their personality in a media that is otherwise not at all about romance so they stick out like a sore thumb, is a form of activism. But women supporting media written by and for women isn't, if a set of pixels being given the descriptor of female takes precedence over the actual women involved in various genres what good is your """activism""". Mind you BL isn't feminist but neither is their bullshit. I just find it tiring, they get into more arguments and performative glazing of their character, compare fujos & their fave male character and you can tell the difference in passion. Like seriously, where's the autistic fanfic about these ladies powering up, all they discuss is how they're viewed by fans & other characters & fight with fujos.

>>15107
If these female characters were so great, you wouldn't have a defense squad with a superiority complex begging people to like them. The female characters pictured in the meme all have valid criticism over how they were written and can easily be disliked.

>>15107
OH MY FUCKING GOD, YES, I DESPISE MIKASA SO MUCH AND I GOT CALLED A SEXIST FOR SAYING SO. without Eren she has no personality whatsoever, but le strong female character zomg!!1!1

>>15107
Annie is hated??

>>15110
I think they're grasping at straws for some of these tbh, Shinobu from what I've seen is also well-liked, it more so feels like OP just put all of the female characters she personally likes and takes ANY person disliking them as proof they're overhated when no all characters have people who dislike them lol

>>15107
If there's anybody who hates these female characters, it's the moid writers. But ofc these people never have any words for the men who can't write women for shit.

>>15107
Putting Hermione in the same category as the anime girls written by men is certainly a choice. I've never watched The Pitt, so I have no idea what's going on with the characters from that, but surely, this person must understand how much the waifus ruin the point the meme was trying to make.

Also, there's this weird thing I've noticed (especially in the past 5 or so years) where people will say something like, "it's not the character's fault! It's the writing!" I don't know if I'm retarded or what, but I don't get this. If a female character was written poorly by a man who clearly hates women, that's what the character is. Nobody's blaming a fictional entity, so I never get why people have to clarify it's not the character's fault. That's like saying it's not Scar's fault he chose to kill Mufasa; he was just written to want to kill Mufasa. Like, yeah, when a character is being criticized, it's generally a critique of the writing. The characters do not possess independent consciousness.

>>15110
I was active in the fandom when the manga was dropping and there were a ton of people mad she didn't get any sort of consequences for her actions and she was allowed to join the main cast when they should've been mad at her

>>15107
I never understood women in certain fanbases (primarily, anime) and their need to defend terribly written female characters who were clearly made by a moid, and hate on other women who love well-written female characters who were made by women.

>>15107
I don't know the live action ones other than Hermione, but she's definitely not that hated if the history of gorillion of Dramione pseudo self-insert fics are anything to go by.
Misa is disliked for being annoying, but she's not that hated.
Mikasa is an absolute blackhole of a character who never changed from MUH EREN, they tried giving her something (the whole japanese long lost princess thing) and it went nowhere, so they had to dial more into MUH EREN and retroactively ruin Eren too as a character.
Annie I'd say is pretty hated for different reasons. She's a traitor and a bitch, so she served that purpose well. She killed a ton of people without remorse but eventually her character is "redeemed", even turns out alive and well. She also gets shipped with Armin (even within the story) and people also don't like Armin either so to an extent they hate both. Many other characters end up dead or suffer more than Annie ends up doing ultimately, so it all only matters depending on how someone would feel overall regarding the plot developments quite frankly.
Gabi deserves all the hate she gets. She's everything wrong with SNK's part 4. They took Eren's titan autism and dialed it up to the max and she's neither charismatic or funny. If she's in that picture it feels like someone trying to defend her for the sake of it. There are far too many reasons to dislike her.
Mitsuri…She's neither liked or disliked in my opinion? Cosplay attentionwhores LOVE to cosplay as her because she's feminine and pink, she's like THE "cute girl" to pretend to like if you don't even care about anime. Characterwise, she doesn't do much of anything? She has her moments but ultimately she ends up being shipbait with Obanai. Most people end up remembering her over that.
Shinobu is really not hated. Maybe by men since she never expresses any interest in Tanjiro (so they can't self-insert) or maybe by some GiyuuTan fujos that don't like when they see her with Giyuu (because Shinobu gets shipped with Giyuu for whatever reason). She's actually so not-really-hated that people actually DO hate when she's shipped with Douma, because it's abuse, he killed her sister, etc etc the usual bundle of toxic ship complaints (I don't care personally).

>>15120
(cont)
Everyone knows why the Big 3 main shonen girls (Orihime, Sakura, Hinata) were hated. It was usually a combination of shipwars and being incompetently written. Orihime is saved by a BARELY miraculous grace of not being written by Kishimoto, so she can be competent sometimes. Most of her hate was shipwars though. Sakura has legitimate criticisms and while it's true she was the representative of "overhated female character", it was also for good reason too.
Ochako, much like Hinata, pretty much exist for one thing and that's to be the MC's LI. Ochako wasn't as grating as far as eventual-forced-LIs go but she also pretty much did nothing through most of BNHA's runtime. Most of her hate also came due to shipwars, but also because her character basically didn't really go anywhere and at points it felt like she HAD to like Deku (because that's her purpose) even when it seemed that she'd do things without Deku. They gave her a pseudo "yuri" copout so some people started disliking her less due to that for a time, but then went back to disliking her when her character became Deku orbiter again ultimately.
Anyway those are my several cents as a shonenshitter. Surprisingly I haven't seen JJK, but I can tell Nobara already suffers from "written by a guy who doesn't know how to write women". She's a girl stuck in a sausagefest and while she's probably not bad, she's likely just underutilized.
I feel like the people who make these posts are usually people who simply see "fem character hated in fandom" and feel the need to like/defend on the basis of being a woman, nevermind what they do / don't do in the plot

>>15121
>Surprisingly I haven't seen JJK, but I can tell Nobara already suffers from "written by a guy who doesn't know how to write women".
Gege is actually decent at writing female characters. The things you can criticize them for are things that apply just as much to male characters and in an interview with Tite Kubo, Kubo kinda laughed at Gege for not drawing hot women or something like that. As for Nobara in particular, spoilers just in case some people will say she's badly written because she removed from the plot for half of the story and isn't as strong or as important as Yuji or Megumi because muh trio but that's because she's just a character like any other and not "the heroine", in a way. And these same people will tell you her waking up from a coma at the end is bad writing and just fanservice but it's subjective. I didn't see anything wrong with it, there was foreshadowing and I believe Gege removed her from the plot because her technique is way, wayyy too strong against Sukuna in particular. What's kinda funny is that the one scene with Nobara where Gege forces himself to write a more feminist scene is pretty bad. She tells a girl around her age dealing with crazy abusive and sexist male relatives ruining her life that she victimizes herself and that she likes being cute or something like that. It was a very shallow girl power type of scene. It made Nobara look stupid because guess what, a few arcs later that same girl gets murdered by her sexist father who thinks she's just a burden and prevents him from inheriting a huge house, money, power, titles, weapons, etc. And we also see her much older male cousin talking about her ass and boobs because he's disgusting like that. Lots of people have assumed that since JJK's beginning was forced to be as cliche as possible by editors then Nobara was inspired by Sakura but Gege said he based her off a shojo manga protagonist he liked a lot as a teenager without realizing it, so they have the exact same backstory.

>>15107
ngl this behavior reminds me of a certain subset of people in the rp scene who always like female characters by default but they don't understand/care about them on a deeper level because the female characters are only a self insert vehicle for their yumeing. as long as the female character is sort of cute they will support her and ship her with all the hot male characters. female oc and "mary sue" hate was really rampant back in the day so shipping a canon female character with a male character basically gave you a pass even though that was also just tinly veiled yumeing when you looked at their writing and couldn't even recognize the female characters in question because they were written so ooc-ly. there are some female characters I like in this pic (nobara, mitsuru, shinobu, sakura, javadi, santos) but the rest I either don't care about or don't know. except for Hermione, whom I actually dislike. also, katara should be up there too, she's insanely annoying but also very popular as a self insert vehicle.

>>15107
I think the absolute worst fandom for this behavior currently is Genshin. They're absolutely schizophrenic about defending every single thing the writers do regarding the women over there, from what I see. Think its lame that the women in the villain group are having tea parties together? Kinda disappointed that one of the characters that was shaping up to have a creepier personality is instead a total moeblob? Prepare to get absolutely skinned alive. It's honestly so hard to understand. They're so fucking annoying about people wanting a bit more variance in how the women behave and will screech to high Heaven you're just a dumbass that hates when women are allowed to be "just one of the girls!!" Discussion around female characters has become untenable because the only possible reason you could have for disliking one is "superfluous" or "unjustified" and not because you simply just… actually read/watched whatever she was from and came out of the experience not liking her. Every person who dislikes her only dislikes her out of spite/bad faith to these types. Hell, I like Ochaco and Hinata but understand why they receive criticism as characters; I know not every single comment against them is because of shipping autism.

>>15122
One nice thing I can say about JJK is that the girls are just kinda hanging out and if any of them give/receive romantic inclinations they are so tertiary to everything that I am not instantly annoyed like I am when I see that Ochako/Hinata/Orihime is in focus so I know it's mostly gonna be about their feelings for the MC. Normie girl likes Yuji. Mechamaru liked Kasumi. Maki gets with Yuta off screen. It's all very unobtrusive (AND doesn't explicitly cuck any noteworthy m/m ship).
>a shojo manga protagonist he liked a lot as a teenager without realizing it, so they have the exact same backstory
It's funny to read that he lifted this from a shojo because I noticed Nobara seemed to have her own shit going on in a way that shonen girls usually don't. She's got hobbies (fashion, Smash bros, dropping that YYH ref) and that whole Thing with her mom that while not at all relevant to the story made her seem way more real.
>>15120
>>15121
These are good tl;drs for the uninformed, thanks.

>>15120
>or maybe by some GiyuuTan fujos that don't like when they see her with Giyuu
I ship GiyuuTan but like Shinobu. Her with Giyuu is a NOTP but only because I think it makes no sense and it's usually portrayed very OOC. Plus the fact many shippers are antis and all that shit. But I've never seen anybody hating on Mitsuri? She doesn't even 'get in the way' of any popular ships. The only female KnY character I have ever seen criticized is Nezuko for being in the box most of the time.

>>15107
half of these characters are literal shit written, they just virtue signal for characters that are bland enough to self insert.
Annie is hated for killing people and getting forgiven also, and the brown haired girl from attack on titan has never been hated df?
Also apple white? really?
Are we going to put Bloom from winx club too? Guess what Bloom was disliked too because she was unlikeable.

>>15113
>I don't know if I'm retarded or what, but I don't get this. If a female character was written poorly by a man who clearly hates women, that's what the character is. Nobody's blaming a fictional entity, so I never get why people have to clarify it's not the character's fault. That's like saying it's not Scar's fault he chose to kill Mufasa; he was just written to want to kill Mufasa. Like, yeah, when a character is being criticized, it's generally a critique of the writing. The characters do not possess independent consciousness.

It is retarded.It is virtue signaling and acting like the female character is a real woman so they are defending her from the evil writer when she is literally an imaginary concept lol.

>>15131
>the brown haired girl from attack on titan has never been hated df?
lol that’s Gabi not Sasha. and Gabi was hated (for understandable reasons)

>>15134
my bad I forgot a lot about snk

Everyone is calling themselves fujos nowadays and in the same breath claiming yaoi is kweer media, where the fuck did the jo in fujo go??