No.8191
>>8179>>8185I was actually thinking about how beautiful old school western animation is and how's there's little fujobait in Disney stuff sadly. Disney executives should make a visually beautiful original animated film for everyone and normies to enjoy but with pretty boys for fujos and tumblr theater girls. Spawning a fandom shouldn't be this difficult.
No.8192
>>8191I feel like it's a general symptom of Disney focusing too much on making family friendly
entertainment with an eye to marketing. Older Disney productions worried themselves about fully forming characters and building setting details, and would get so involved in the work they'd let odd quirks remain in. I think that's the kind of stuff that makes it easier to inspire fandom exploration. It's more lively, an illusion of greater depth by having pointless extra traits that achieve little but exist nonetheless. When you cut the fat too much and aim everything at the clearest goals you lose that spark.
No.8193
>>8191I had hopes for Lightyear, but then they decided to do the absolutely stupidest shit to Zurg.
No.8203
>>8194No offence but when ever I hear this, it usually means your inspired by late edgy retelling that claim to be traditional fairy tales, most traditional fairy tales aren't that deep or really that dark, the alleged "darkness" is usually just for the sake of a joke that kids might laugh at
No.8204
>>8203That's exactly what I'm saying, I love the classic ones with very black-and-white morality. Little Red Riding Hood, Jack and the Beanstalk, The Pied Piper, and Sleeping Beauty are my favorites.
I don't mind the "edgy" dark fantasy subversions but I do wish more modern fairy tale inspired works tried to be more fanciful, the idea that realism = good is what keeps me from getting interested in a lot of newer fantasy.
No.8205
>>8204I'm not a moralfag, but I'm pretty your just into shotashit with some fairy tale aesthetic which japs seems to love, I'm not going to judge but it's not that deep or based off real fairy tales
No.8206
>>8205The aesthetic yes that is indeed what my post was all about. I'm not morally opposed to shota, but I'm not sure how you got that from my posts haha, I like men of all ages though.
I wasn't expecting to be disparaged for saying I like fantasy more closely related to Goldilocks than Game of Thrones. No I'm not saying modern stuff is the "real" thing because it's not folk tales. In the same way an Isekai isn't LoTR even though it might borrow elements and is in the same tradition.
No.8208
>>8203>the alleged "darkness" is usually just for the sake of a joke that kids might laugh atwhat does this even mean? why would the darkness of a story be jokey? wouldn't the tone be serious?
No.8209
>>8204I think I get what you mean, nonna. Actual fairytales are written in a pretty simple and dreamlike way without much exploration of the world or explanation for characters' actions. Realism is best for parodies like Shrek. I also want to see more folklore creatures portrayed as closer to their roots instead of the millionth 'our vampires are different' and 'our bakeneko/kitsune is a generic kemonomimi'. There are some pretty cool elements of some creatures that you rarely see portryed.
No.8210
>>8208Think of it like this, old fairy tales would have things like a child sticking his thumbs in pies and the end of the story would be his thumb being cut off in an ironic way and the village children would laugh about it. These stories are certainly more physically violent but are not "dark and twisted" as some people claim.
No.8215
>>8214Childhood friends are super cute. I like it when you can see the basic dynamics already formed in their childhood, like one always taking care of the other or teasing him, and then later when they get together when they're older they do the same things
No.8216
>>8214Yesss, those two are my favourite haikyu ship.
No.8217
>>8214>>8215I like childhood friends where there is an element of reunion. Like someone revisiting their old home in the country and rekindling that relationship.
No.8218
>>8217>revisiting their old home in the country and rekindling that relationshipIf you can put up with kemono, Morenatsu has that theme
No.8221
>>8219based schizo posting
No.8222
>>8219Their hands are in front of the fire because their love is like a flame. Symbolism.
No.8226
>>8219Why is that disembodied head in so much pain
No.8228
>>8225>Steve is an ukeMy disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
No.8230
>>8225Oh shidd. Anon has to tell us what other movies she is excited about. She will be like our yaoi Paul the Octopus
No.8237
>>8232Jason Momoa deserves to uke for what he did to my wife Daenerys in the first episode of GoT
No.8239
>>8237The minecraft movie is dead to me and jack black steve is not a real steve to me but we can compromise and make it uke4uke
No.8240
>>8239>The minecraft movie is dead to me Why nonnie, are you saying it's bad or something?
No.8455
I love fandoms that are small, fandoms where no dramas unfold, where every new piece of content is treasured. I'm coming back to my old hyperfixation after having fun in a huge fandom and I just love how peaceful it is. Feels like a breath of fresh air
No.8456
I love BL visual novels. I love getting bad endings and seeing different directions the story can take. I also like how VNs are more able to balance story with the romance than most manga or anime I try. Sometimes, when I read a manga with an interesting premise, I'll feel disappointed that the story never fully capitalized on its premise. I find it so frustrating when a story sacrifices the plot for the romance, so I've found visual novels are more likely to have the two woven together in a manner that's more appealing to me. It's nice to have a direct view inside the protagonist's head, too, especially when he's written as his own unique character rather than a thinly-veiled self-insert. I also like how long VNs are, as it gives me more time to become invested. VNs always will be my preferred medium for BL. If you saw me post and delete this twice like a week ago, please pretend you didn't.
No.8459
>>8456I notice that I find myself thinking back to VNs much more than any other BL medium
As you mentioned with the bad endings, the way VNs are free to explore different ideas and outcomes within the same premise allows for some really interesting writing, and I think it's also a great way for an author to spread out lore and arcs very neatly between different options/routes
Along with the point about how long they are, I have a feeling that the way VNs are finished stories at release can really strengthen them
Even if a VN is long enough to be a trilogy of novels, it doesn't matter! The main story MUST be complete before release, which firstly filters out writers that can't finish what they started, and secondly cuts out fan influence in plot progression
BLVNs remind me of indie movies, where the amount of resources and time and effort needed to make a passable product keeps out creators that aren't passionate, but are also niche enough where it allows for uncompromised visions since sales numbers aren't a focal point
No.8491
>>8456>>8459Same. BL manga is almost always very short and original BL anime is close to non-existent.
VNs feel like proper BL novels.
No.8493
>>8491That’s why I’m always shocked by people who only read BL manga/manhwa and get super annoyed by outsiders (usually scrotes or pick mes) only watching BL anime (an extreme niche in the genre) and judging the entire medium by that.
Honestly BLVNs are the best you’re going to get out of BL as a whole, even if I personally dislike a game someone’s going to enjoy it while with a lot of manhwa it’s so repetitive and dull that I don’t understand how anyone can.
No.8520
>>8493I think VNs have a higher barrier to entry since not only are a lot of them not translated but also normies can't into patching.
No.8522
>>8459Tokyo Onmyoji is such a good example of this. It's a VN I feel excelled at giving its readers diverging storylines and bad endings. Bad endings can also be fun in their ability to let you explore less appealing or darker sides of a character without compromising the overarching story.
>I have a feeling that the way VNs are finished stories at release can really strengthen themThis is what really scares me about the episodic release model we've seen increase in popularity over recent years. I know it's always existed (Higurashi and Umineko are examples that immediately come to mind), but it's not a method I find particularly appealing.
>>8493>with a lot of manhwa it’s so repetitive and dull that I don’t understand how anyone can.I've had this issue, too. I'm sure there are good ones out there, but I've given multiple series a try before realizing that I've wasted countless chapters waiting for it to "get good." It runs into the problem a lot of serialized fiction has where the characters perpetually run in circles trying to kill time.
>>8520The length probably also increases that barrier. Also, a lot of the English-translated VNs cover topics that don't appear to be popular in anime/manga/manhwa, so it's probable you won't find something appealing to you depending on what type of BL you like.
No.8569
love love love bl with grown ass men. in their 30s and 40s i always eat that shit up. also a big fan when the leads are both huge assholes to each other
No.8571
>>8569God, this. I just wish there was more. It's already hard enough to find manga and anime with an older MC to begin with.
No.8595
>>8593Same, I wish Suicide Boy was actually BL because the MC getting H/C-ed to happiness would have been just my thing.
No.8624
>>8614By disabled do you mean wheelchair bound, or more mental conditions?
No.8625
>>8624Both, amputees and other disabilities are also good
No.8626
>>8625Nice, I only like amputees if it's a single limb though, like they lost it in the war and now their soon to be husband needs to take care of them. Quad amputees are a bit too out there
No.8627
>>8626Quad gets really weird, I like amputees in a h/c way as well. Characters with othering conditions give feelings that make me want to protect and care for them.