No.4986
>>4969I remember loving Karneval's aesthetics and character designs, I used to collect the manga.
>>4977Thank you! And a minor tragedy. I'll keep a lookout for if/when they become public. Unfortunately I've seen so many Japanese artists go private in the last few days, even moreso than usual, due to muskrat nonsense.
No.5098
>>5077Yes yes yes, this is 100% one of my favorite tropes, it's so nice to see someone else who agrees! This is how I characterize my all time favorite RPF ship. It really does make their love feel so much more special. Despite only loving women, you still throw in your all, all your love into this man? You still find him attractive? You'd do anything for him? Oh lord, it just heightens everything!!!!!
I like switches, but I like the straight guy as the seme also, because it feels less likely that they'd like anal lol. And it allows them the ability to be the "actionable" one I guess. They get to show off more of their passion compared to if they were in a more passive role
No.5102
>>5098>>5100ayrt, it's so nice to find other fujos into the same dynamic, especially considering how it's so often dunked on ♥
it's viewed as a homophobic stance to have, but that's probably more of an aiden view, it has their typical conflation of what you find attractive with your personal values.
what is your favorite ship to apply this trope to? and why?
No.5104
>>5102Totallyyyyy Imai Hisashi/Atsushi Sakurai. (Imai as the heterosexual seme)
I feel like it's a fun obvious extension of their stage performances. The way Atsushi is the one who's lovey and gay acting while Imai just stands there and takes it LOL. I like to think that he likes it and is putting up with it only because it's his Acchan haha. He's too straight to ever be the one to initiate it, but he loves him enough to take it ♥
As stated in my above post, because he is straight, he will not take it in the ass 90% of them time. He is the seme, he is the top. A scene of him refusing anal in a fic is like a cherry on top top for me LMAO
No.5105
>>5103I've noticed this too, that it's a troupe mostly restricted to older works. That's where I learned to love it, when I was first getting into it and all I read/watched was the older stuff. I guess this would be encouragement to go back and read titles that aren't in the lime light anymore
No.5107
>>5104oh a buck-tick fan!
although in my previous post i said that i have no preference regarding who tops and who bottoms for this type of dynamic, you make a very compelling case for the more masculine one being the seme tbh. i imagine he would also have a more intense approach when topping, which is interesting to see.
tbh i also like the seme being the less stereotypically masculine of the two because i imagine it as his quiet assured nature bringing the obnoxious, genki bottom to his knees is also fun! he would be a more stern, slightly sadistic seme, or perhaps a service top?
i apply these views to sugusato/satosugu the most but that's just bc they're my current otp i feel. also omg im clogging up the site with their art recently…
>>5103goated taste nona! junterro was my favorite out of the junjous. and yeah, it really has fallen off. i blame the woke crowd for it, but maybe there are other factors at play here too.
No.5113
Gay for you lovers!
It's so romantic to have a character fight against everything he thinks he knows about himself to accept that he's in love. I love it even more as double-sided pining.
>>5105It has kind of died a dlow death as bi headcanons take over as a justification for yaoi, ie previously you'd just say a straight character was gay for a single guy now you can just say he's bi to excuse shipping instead and most fandom-adjacent peoe will accept it.
Not really the same thing since I like the sexuality crisis that comes with gay for you, but some stuff under the internalized homophobia tag still scratches that itch when well-written.
No.5114
The amount of fujo fanart 2D dudes are getting. Have multiple folders that contain more than 10000 pics per series, my Transformer and Golden Kamuy folders have more than 20000 pics each. A recent pairing I got into already has 2000+ pics and they are just two older antagonistic weirdos and side characters.
And 99% of all of that fanart is either directly fujo or made by fujos. Some series or games I haven't even played yet like Disco Elysium and Mouthwashing have so much stunning fanart that I save it before even shipping anything. The enjoyment continues even after a series has ended thanks to fanart. Pretty, funny or hot pics are like additional content making me enjoy a series twice as much.
Feels good.
No.5115
>>5113>sexuality crisisI miss this. It’s so sad to see it almost disappear nowadays especially in works set in the past. I’m tired of suspending my disbelief that someone from ye olden days would be completely normal about being gay despite it having been a persecutable offense in most countries before the 21st century (and it’s still illegal in a lot of countries).
No.5116
>>5115I feel you. I don't like it when it's tragic and when the political aspect is the focus. But I still wish it emitted some sense of illegality. Not because I want the characters to suffer, I just believe it improves the immersion while simultaneously making the love between them more important. They know it's not "normal" but do it regardless.
It also has the nice side effect of feeling more special. Like having them heading into the woods in the evening to hunt or search for herbs, berries, bugs whatever but using this mostly as an excuse to fuck or kiss each other since they don't have to bother about other people seeing them there. It's also interesting if they're close friends/comrades and but hiding this specific aspect of them and you get all other dudes being cool with them because they don't see it. Maybe nowadays everybody would assume it, but back then they didn't expect close friends to be gay, simply because it was such a sacrilege. So they don't have to hide everything, but certain aspects of it.
Really it can add another special layer to a romance. I absolutely need more gay knights, priests and samurai.
No.5123
>>5107Oh, someone the recognizes them! :D
I totally can go in the opposite direction though, even though I like the straight guy as seme more! If Atsushi is on top, then it feels closer to their stage interactions lol. Just throwing himself onto his straight friend without care~
>his quiet assured nature bringing the obnoxious, genki bottom to his knees is also fun! Omg that's kinda how I imagine Aki/Denji from Chainsaw man haha. Ah you have good taste in dynamics ^^ Everyoneee keeps telling me to read JJK, maybe one day
No.5126
>>5100Gegero/Mizuki has the added "the only human" too. ?
No.5245
>>5240I like when the saliva lands on one of their chins and he doesn't react to it, he just looks dazed and drooly like he's hungry for more.
No.5260
Pairings where both characters look like semes lol
Even better if both of them are also largely acting like some. I prefer it if the weaknesses of the uke are more subtle. Like a strong but aggressive guy whose weakness is that very hot-headedness that he has while the other dude is the cool one.
Bonus if the the cool top is also of a lower rank than the guy that bottom or his sidekick. I wish it wasn't so rare though. I rarely get into actual BL though so it's enough to me if they give off these vibes but even that isn't as common as you might assume it to be.
No.5261
>>5260This kinda sounds like Kiribaku MHA. Ironically it's my NOTP, but if it clicks with you, you have a gigantic backlog of quality art/doujins/fics.
No.5453
>>5450lmao the leonard on fujochan jumpscare
I absolutely do NOT want Drakengard in the hands of modern fandom. The only other character I can think of who kind of comes close is Sergeant Hatred from The Venture Brothers, who unlike Leonard crossed the line of pedophile into actual child molester. I think they are both interesting characters just because they are allowed to be on screen for the duration of the game/show instead of some kind of "lmao the pedo died, good" scenario. They both have cool/noble moments that make you go "aw yay" but then "oh right, pedophile" that hits you like a bucket of cold water.
No.5456
>>5453OT but I always die inside when they draw characters with the fucking baby feet.
No.5457
>>5453>I absolutely do NOT want Drakengard in the hands of modern fandomI've gotten the impression that it's been flying under the radar and it will likely stay that way since as far as I know it's still stuck on non-modern hardware, unlike Nier.
No.5460
>>5457I'd rather Drakengard die forever than see it modernized and censored. And the original US release already was.
I was there when Drakengard 3 released.
Pre-release threads were the usual drakengard levels of non-shitty discussion on /v/. Game drops, it's shit central and thankfully the girls being canonically horny all the time actually put people off.
I was there for NieR Automata's release too. Exactly the same thing but now, NieR is just 2B posting from people who didn't even play the game. It's ruined. I don't want Yoko Taro to soften his stories because antis have 0 media literacy. Brother Nier being a child sex worker already got buried because people don't read, and lol, the Drama CDs may as well not exist.
No.5463
>>5460Nier Automata was the nail in the coffin for comfy all day 500 cap Drakengard/Nier threads. Despite liking the game I almost wish I could delete it Nier ending D style and undo the damage it did to what I consider the "real" fandom.
I wish they adapted the Drama CD story into the remake like they did some of the Grimoire Nier content.
There's Tyrann/Emil brainworms in there. No.5472
>>5460>>5457>>5453God the drama about Drakengard with the way random purity culture is would be actual chaos, the way the original was still censored is disheartening but I suppose it is better than getting fully butchered, sad there's not much modern discussion about it
I remember suffering through drakengard when I was much younger and not understanding any of the themes and ended up reading a walkthrough for it instead, I remember being shocked about Leonard's secret since with the exception of that one scene where he gulps when Seere hugs him there's really nothing to indicate this
>lmao the leonard on fujochan jumpscare He's the pinnacle of toxic yaoi whether he wants to be or not
No.5786
>>5744Thanks for the rec nonna it was the exact type of story I was looking for!
No.6420
Cooking fics! Don't care how you incoperate it, characters who are secretly good in the kitchen, making soup for a sickfic, a waiter falling in love with a customer. Anything that involves food and bonus points for including an actual recipe.
No.6433
>>6421I dig it, especially cartoony pointy ones like the Kaiji picture. Aquilian/Greek noses are fine too, but only work on super masculine characters imo.
No.6488
>>6443Final fantasy XVI tries to sell you on a heterosexual main couple when the MC's absolutely unstable love for his brother is the reason he even gets out of bed.
Not enough codependent questionable siblings.
On that note, I love antagonistic siblings that lean heavy into spiteful lover territory.
No.6609
>>6608What’s this character from? He’s cute
No.6813
>>6811Who do you ship lupin with
No.6814
>>6813Zenigata, imo you can't beat a criminal/detective ship. I think from Part II onward there's a lot of cute moments and I like the idea of both of them struggling with keeping the relationship a secret from their respective parties. That being said I'm always starved for content so I don't mind him with Jigen or Goemon depending on the iteration of the character. The canon for the series is fast and loose and so is the way the characters are depicted. Jigen/Lupin works well when they have an episode 0 type relationship and establish they've been working together for a very long time. Goemon/Lupin only really works when you play into the Part I former antagonistic relationship and have Lupin have to tear through a harsh exterior to get to how Goemon is really feeling.
Are you a fan nonna? What's your Lupin ship?
No.6816
>>6811Sideburns are so, so hot, shame they aren't more popular.
>Zenigata/LupinGreat taste
No.6823
>>6811I feel you. I love sideburns, goatees and/or thick eyebrows for the same reason but they're criminally rare. Mature faces are inherently tied to sexual attraction for me so their presence or absence largely determines whether I get into a character or not.
I would also say that broader mouths are part of it. It's a trait Lupin shares as well. Image your pic but with the classic small "-" mouth and he leaves a whole different impression. Some of these traits help making faces more expressive and expressiveness is another essential part of character design IMO.
No.6824
>>6823I didn't think about that broad mouth point but you're right it is definitely a component of likable character. Not totally cartoon-y but large enough for a toothy grin.