/rps/ - Real Person Fiction

Anyone read Nanshoku monogatari?

There's this one story that is really good, about a kid who is being abused by the head of his temple, who keeps him from shaving his forelocks. He gets together with a barber who saves him from a surprisingly detailed rape scene and the two end up together.

Most of the stories thus far were very melodramatic, OTT & shota, but this one story was really, really sweet.

>>232
Acquire boyfriend, but get shaved half bald. Edo period male hair norms, why. The story definitely sounds very sweet, though!

>I'm still curious about Japan's era of gay Kabuki plays when female roles were banned.
Please correct me if I'm wrong since I don't know much about it but as far as I know Kabuki's history is weird. It was started by female prostitutes so women where banned from acting in kabuki plays in order to stop prostitution. So they the started casting young men as the female roles and older men as the male roles, but then the young men where also prostitutes so young men got banned from acting in it too. I think the prostitutes would take in people who watched the play as costumers. It just seems really convoluted way to ban prostitution.
Doesn't kabuki have a mentor system too? Where an experience actor will train an upcoming actor in a certain role. Wouldn't surprise me if these mentorships has turned sexual historically

>>234
OP here. I knew about the history, but the plays themselves are what I'm curious about. Essentially, it wasn't just wakashu and women who were banned from acting, they actually banned female (and wakashu) roles because the crossdressing male actors were too popular, but people just got horny for the adult male role actors anyway in the end While female roles were banned, a bunch of gay plays apparently came out.. I want to know which historical and mythological ships people were choosing to write about, but if I'm honest, mainly I want to know if my vintage OTP got any.

>>235
That's interesting. I didn't know there where gay plays.
>I want to know if my vintage OTP got any.
ooh please do tell me what your vintage OTP is

>>234
>young men banned from acting
So at some point it was all just oyajis?? Fukin based

>>231
not related to Kabuki, but a professor of mine explained that the reason chinese opera actors were only male was cause it was considered a physically strenuous job and han women were considered too delicate and passive to take such an occupation

>>237
Oyajis as in men over 18, LOL. The 'young men' were wakashu, which was an adolescent (teen) male who hadn't shaved his forelock yet. Japan had a whole pederasty thing like ancient Greece. They played most of the female and wakashu roles. Men were basically seen as unsuitable for male desire once they'd shaved the forelock, but ironically, once only adult men could act, people just changed their taste. They also forced all actors to have shaved heads even when female roles were allowed again, thinking it would stop the groupies, but the actors would wear head scarves over the bald spot, and it became the new fetish. You can see one in pic related.

>>240
Nonner thank you for this informative post.
>Oyajis as in men over 18, LOL.
My bad I thought they'd be genuinely old men kek. But it cracks me up how they tried to do everything to stop people finding the actors attractive and it didn't work cause everyone just adapted. Some things never change. Also amused the cover up thing became a fetish cause it's so random by modern day standards, but understandable in context. Makes me think of looking at old art like your picrel more like an old-timey booru: this is what people were into.

>>241
>My bad I thought they'd be genuinely old men kek
At least some of them were, because attractiveness became more tied to skill. There's this quote from Wikipedia about kabuki:

>In the realm of male kabuki (as opposed to "boy" kabuki), Saikaku writes, "now, since everyone wore the hairstyle of adult men, it was still possible at age 34 or 35 for youthful-looking actors to get under a man’s robe…If skill is what the audience is looking for, there should be no problem in having a 70 year old perform as a youth in long sleeved robes. So long as he can continue to find patrons willing to spend the night with him, he can then enter the new year without pawning his belongings.

>>242
Damn, what sluts
Anyway, are any of you aware of American Revolution shipping? I do NOT mean Hamilton musical shit; this has existed long before that cursed musical. Even Aaron Burr x Hamilton has existed far longer, especially given the homoerotic nature of their relationship and rivalry, even in biographies written by old men they still have to sneak in some gay shit

Not really into the French Revolution but, to history enjoyers, I wanna rec a series of fics of Robespierre and Saint-Just called "Les Saisons." I'm reccing these because they're literate and seem well-researched. https://archiveofourown.org/series/1102008

>>243
Now I have a strong need to redpill myself on American history. And Japanese theater. If you nonas keep it up, I will become an international historian kek.

>>243
I was really into the french revolution as a child so I used to follow some history blogs on tumblr. They all shipped the american revolutionaries. When Hamilton was released all my non history mutuals where shocked when they found out that history shipping is a thing, while I got shocked that didn't know it was a thing lol.

Napoleon fangirls also loves to ship Napoleon with different peoples
>>244
I was never into history shipping but I might read this because the whole concept of french rev shipping is so nostalgic to me. I also used to lowkey crush on Saint Just lol Thanks for the rec nona❤️

Anyone here like WWI Pilots? I like the cool, boyish Prussian Glory of von Richthofen, and the only fics I can find of him getting it up the butt seem to be Sabaton fanfic slashing him with Lawrence of Arabia. Which I would be fine with if the writing quality was not picrel.

There's also some FTM making art about him, but she seems like such an unpleasant person that I'd rather not engage with her art. Also, she seems to ship him with a self-insert uke. I specifically want the Prussian Glory taking it upp the butt, thank you.

>>246
You're gonna have to redpill us on WWI pilots, sounds interesting

>>247
Ok anon :)

So to start with, WWI pilots generally led short, intense lives with short, intense careers, Aviation at the time was extremely experimental. The safety measures WWII pilots ended up with did not exist, these men went up in flying barrels made of wood and canvas and had to be tiny enough so they wouldn't weigh them down.

Most pilots during WWI & WWII were quite short since there was only one plane size (Except for Japan during WWII, where the planes were European sized and therefore pilots were tall and handsome). They also drank a lot to deal with the high death count and overall high stress of the situation.

These young gentlemen were largely aristocratic and from a tradition where, once you were no longer on the battlefield, it wasn’t really personal. There’s stories of squadrons mourning the defeat of a particularly tough enemy, which makes sense if you consider the fact that many of these boys probably knew each other from school, vacations, or family connections. Albert Ball for example was buried with full military honours by the German side after he was shot down, Germans even going so far as to drop information behind enemy lines that he had been killed, with a respectful inscription on the grave marker, no less.

Manfred von Richthofen - Known for being a focused, cold hunter in accordance with traditions of his era, which stands in stark contrast to very cute picrel where he is playing with his dog. There legit exists a film made for propaganda purposes where he is playing with puppies. He shot down 80 men, which was very impressive for a career where most men lasted a week at most. I rec the Red Baron film from 2008, actor is good at portraying the youthful, playful side of Richthofen.

Harry Fusao O’Hara - I am not adding him here for diversity points, but rather because I find his story cool. Ohara-san ran away from his middle-class home in Tokyo to fight in WWI, and somehow managed to get transferred into the British airforce. He was a flying sergeant who would most likely have become promoted to officer if he’d actually been British. Surprisingly, he survived the war and married a British girl. During WWII, he was a notable exception to orders about Japanese ppl and ended up doing firefighting duty.

Albert Ball - Britain’s leading flying ace at the time, with 44 victories at his time of death at the age of 20. Deeply religious, and a bit cold, he consoled himself with chocolate when having fucked up the plane he was trying to fly. A prime example of a British boarding school boy, who might have been plucked from an old yellow pages novel.

Reading up on Melville and Hawthorne. Here's some select quotes

Melville reviewing Hawthorne's work
>already I feel that this Hawthorne has dropped germinous seeds into my soul. He expands and deepens down, the more I contemplate him; and further and further, shoots his strong New England roots in the hot soil of my Southern soul.
Cum in my bussy: 1850s edition

Some parts of Melville's letters to Hawthorne
>Your heart beat in my ribs and mine in yours, and both in God’s… It is a strange feeling — no hopefulness is in it, no despair. Content — that is it; and irresponsibility; but without licentious inclination. I speak now of my profoundest sense of being, not of an incidental feeling.
>Whence come you, Hawthorne? By what right do you drink from my flagon of life? And when I put it to my lips — lo, they are yours and not mine. I feel that the Godhead is broken up like the bread at the Supper, and that we are the pieces.
>If the world was entirely made up of [magicians], I’ll tell you what I should do. I should have a paper-mill established at one end of the house, and so have an endless riband of foolscap rolling in upon my desk; and upon that endless riband I should write a thousand — a million — billion thoughts, all under the form of a letter to you. The divine magnet is in you, and my magnet responds. Which is the biggest? A foolish question — they are One.

Part of Melville's poem about their falling out
>To have known him, to have loved him,
>After loneness long;
>And then to be estranged in life,
>And neither in the wrong;
>And now for death to set his seal —
>Ease me, a little ease, my song!

>>251
How close would the planes get to each other when they are fighting in the sky?
>I am not adding him here for diversity points
Kek what, why would anyone think that, he does seem cool I like the irony of him being nationally British
>albert ball
>44 victories
>died at 20
His entire life purpose was to defend his country (aka to kill)

>>253
Did Hawkthorne have anything to say about Melville or is this a one-sided romance? And a question to both; does there exist any fanfiction or fanart around these pairings?

This thread is slowly starting to become my favourite thread. I feel like I learned something about kabuki. Keep it up historynonas!
>>246
>>251
This is really interesting, anon! I don't know much about WWI even if I do find the whole period fascinating and tragic. Does WWI have many shippers?

>>253
I think I would die if someone ever send me a letter like that. It's really beautiful how do you even cope with receiving something like this

>>254
Planes could get very close, pilots could look each other in the eye when dogfighting. Lack of radio meant all orders were communicated via sign, so you had to fly close enough to your buddy to see his hand movements. So yes, it was possible for pilots to look into their enemy's eyes for prime enemy ship material.

>>253
Wow, this is really tragic and sweet. Why did they have a falling out?

also, I've heard there's a book about Hawthorne's son where they both act like married dads to him, maybe Hawkthorne anon can tell us more?

>>255
This part of history as a whole has sadly very few shippers. There's a small 1917 fandom (surprisingly sane and anti-free, running off of oldschool fandom rules) and a small Wilfred Owen/Siegfred Sassoon RPS shipping base, but RPS slash for pilots is near non-existant.

>>256
>Wow, this is really tragic and sweet. Why did they have a falling out?
Tbh no one knows. But they seem to have retained some level of warmth even after stopping contact. Their correspondence stops in 1852 (they met 1850) but they've seen each other just once again in 1856. Hawthorne has a journal entry about this meeting and they seemed to have been on generally ok terms even then
>"Herman Melville came to see me at the Consulate, looking much as he used to do (a little paler, and perhaps a little sadder), in a rough outside coat, and with his characteristic gravity and reserve of manner…. [W]e soon found ourselves on pretty much our former terms of sociability and confidence. Melville has not been well, of late; … and no doubt has suffered from too constant literary occupation, pursued without much success, latterly; and his writings, for a long while past, have indicated a morbid state of mind…. Melville, as he always does, began to reason of Providence and futurity, and of everything that lies beyond human ken, and informed me that he had "pretty much made up his mind to be annihilated"; but still he does not seem to rest in that anticipation; and, I think, will never rest until he gets hold of a definite belief. It is strange how he persists – and has persisted ever since I knew him, and probably long before – in wondering to-and-fro over these deserts, as dismal and monotonous as the sand hills amid which we were sitting. He can neither believe, nor be comfortable in his unbelief; and he is too honest and courageous not to try to do one or the other. If he were a religious man, he would be one of the most truly religious and reverential; he has a very high and noble nature, and better worth immortality than most of us."
Also
>Although Melville never corresponded with Hawthorne again, he did not forget him. He continued to read and annotate Hawthorne's works after the latter's death in 1864 (Melville's copies of Hawthorne texts are preserved in Harvard's Houghton Library); the reserved and finally unresponsive traveler Vine in Clarel is widely considered to have been based on Hawthorne; and the poem "Monody" from Timoleon is almost certainly about him
Definitely some lingering feelings. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the other book you mention, very sorry!
>>255
>It's really beautiful how do you even cope with receiving something like this
I wish we had Hawthorne's letters to Melville! I would love to have read his responses. But yes Melville's letters were very sweet, he was so excitable

>>257
1917? Like the movie?

>>259
That sounds kind of like a love that got confessed and then things got awkward, but it is very tempting to ship them anyway.

Melville gives off a comparatively gayer vibe to married Hawthorne given his very literal and huge boner for seamen.

>>260
Yes, the film.

I stumbled upon this photograph and thought it would interest some people in this thread. Second pic has more information on the photograph if that interests anyone

>>266
Ooh interesting! Where did you find the photo?

>>267
Well I originally saw the photo on Tumblr but I did a reverse image search and found it on this archive site https://catalog.archives.gov/id/204880133

I'm sure you can find homoerotic photography on archive sites if you really look

>>266
That is the good shit, thank you nona!

Imagine ground crew/pilot ships, the pilots did love their ground crew and sung at least one song to them, they knew how important they were for the functioning of those massive planes.

I used to enjoy shipping 3rd reich boys, but since tumblr bans all blogs with any such pics the fandom is dead.

>>294
This is incredibly autistic but so am I. Can you tell me more about it? Did you ship actual historical figures or just nameless pictures of boys you found? I wish I could have discovered this in its prime kek.

>>297
Both tbh, I mostly just like to collect pics, learn about real life qt reich boys and consume fanfic/art. I like the luftwaffe boys the most, Marseille and Hartmann (pic is rare fanart with both) and some others. Some people ship the high ranking nazis like Himmler and Heydrich but they are too ugly for me kek. There are some related WWII media that have their own small overlapping fandoms. I recommend watching Napola/Before the Fall if you haven't, it's amazing and very fujobaity.

Reichblr was very fun at it's peak, you can still find some of the old blogs and posts going around, there was so much interesting info and rare photos etc. Seems to be pretty dead now because of insane tumblr moderation, they ban everyone who posts any third reich related stuff, even if it's non-political. Don't know if it exists in Twitter since it's impossible to find anything there, maybe Musk would allow reichtwt to exist kek.

>>299
Goddammit, this is why I worry about posting my own WWI ships. To clarify, anything related to warfare is seen as politically far-right per default in my country, if I admitted publicly that I like WWI soldiers in a way that made my nationality clear, I would have to worry about being tarred and feathered and chased off of the internet.

Marseille was an absolute cutie. I like some luftwaffe pilots but am not interested in most of the things Reichblr liked, so that leaves me hanging when it comes to those two.

Marseilles befriending his batman and making things ok enough for him to come visit at an Afrikakorps reunion always gets me. Self-destructive part boys are a special kind of wine.

>>294
I remember tumblr used to be full with blogs post about his guy.

Anyone into the late roman republic? I really love octavian/antony and curio/antony. There's this anecdote by Cicero in the second philippic (so almost certainly not true but mayyybe based off some truth) about Antony "marrying" him as a youth (Like 16/17 prob now).

>Shall we then examine your conduct from the time when you were a boy? I think so. Let us begin at the beginning. Do you recollect that, while you were still clad in the praetexta, you became a bankrupt? That was the fault of your father, you will say. I admit that. In truth such a defense is full of filial affection. But it is peculiarly suited to your own audacity, that you sat among the fourteen rows of the knights, though by the Roscian law there was a place appointed for bankrupts, even if any one had become such by the fault of fortune and not by his own. You assumed the manly gown, which your soon made a womanly one: at first a public prostitute, with a regular price for your wickedness, and that not a low one. But very soon Curio stepped in, who carried you off from your public trade, and, as if he had bestowed a matron's robe upon you, settled you in a steady and durable wedlock. No boy bought for the gratification of passion was ever so wholly in the power of his master as you were in Curio's. How often has his father turned you out of his house? How often has he placed guards to prevent you from entering? while you, with night for your accomplice, lust for your encourager, and wages for your compeller, were let down through the roof. That house could no longer endure your wickedness. Do you not know that I am speaking of matters with which I am thoroughly acquainted? Remember that time when Curio, the father, lay weeping in his bed; his son throwing himself at my feet with tears recommended to me you; he entreated me to defend you against his own father, if he demanded six millions of sesterces of you; for that he had been bail for you to that amount. And he himself, burning with love, declared positively that because he was unable to bear the misery of being separated from you, he should go into banishment. And at that time what misery of that most flourishing family did I allay, or rather did I remove! I persuaded the father to pay the son's debts; to release the young man, endowed as he was with great promise of courage and ability, by the sacrifice of part of his family estate; and to use his privileges and authority as a father to prohibit him not only from all intimacy with, but from every opportunity of meeting you. When you recollected that all this was done by me, would you have dared to provoke me by abuse if you had not been trusting to those swords which we behold?

(Curio was dead when he said this rip).

>>408
Not the republic anymore hehe but Augustus and Agrippa are doing it for me lately

…Anybody appreciate classical European composers and their fictionalized RPF potential? Beethoven (yes, really) has always stirred my interest. Not really the type to envision him “shipped” with any man in his life, but I’m SUPER tempted to put a fic request out there one day lol.

>>474
I used to be into the Amadeus fandom and Mozart/Salieri was popular. Never thought of Beethoven in a shippy sense, not sure who I'd ship him with.

>>475
Ooh, pretty art! Yeah, Mozart is so much easier to ship with people, especially Salieri and the overall Amadeus stuff. Meanwhile, with Beethoven, you’re really limited if you don’t go the Classicaloid route and prefer real-life-ish ideas. It’s pretty much incest, some random noble, or a hatefuck with weaselly old Schindler, and none of those options appeal to me at all lol.