/ot/ - Off-Topic

A poster from the https://fujochan.org/ot/res/2624.html thread reminded me that I planned to check out Dies irae a long time ago, but never got to it.

Retarded meme I made yesterday of a bunch of VN characters I like but I forgot Rena

>>7604
kek
Where would the rest of Paradise characters fit?

>>7606
Takara could probably figure out the culprit because of how many connections and inside info he would have, everyone else is same as Matsuda they ain’t figuring out shit.

>>7603
It's an interesting VN. There's a good amount of fujobait both between Mercurius and Reinhard, as well as between Ren and Shirou. They really dropped the ball by not making it full-on BL. I have my complaints about the VN, and the villains are way more interesting than the heroes, but it's still worth a read. I hope you'll be able to enjoy it!

I want to play eroge/bishoujo for the story - is there a way to disable sex scenes? I have no interest in seeing girls raped, doing weird sexual shit etc. If a game is put out on Steam/GOG, it's going to be the censored version, but how is the situation with the fan-translated/untranslated ones? Do groups even translate all-ages versions of eroge?

>>7614
>how is the situation with the fan-translated/untranslated ones? Do groups even translate all-ages versions of eroge?
I think it's a case-by-case deal and it depends on the translation group/the version of the VN they're translating
I was playing the fan translation for SNOW ~Plus Edition~ and there was an option to censor H scenes.
But knowing how hung up some people in the scene are about censoring, I imagine most would opt to release +18 versions only

>>7614
Do you mean Tokyo Necro specifically, or eroge/bishoujo in general? There are a LOT of all-ages eroge with English translations, but as you acknowledged, most of those are on Steam. As for fan translations of all-ages games, that is a bit more uncommon (although there are examples where you can disable the sex scenes, like with the Fate/Stay Night fan TL). In general, your best bet is to look for VNs that have an all-ages version that adds something to the original or was released on consoles (Like the Realta Nua version of Fate, Dies Irae, AIR etc). It could also help to look at the "in-game sexual content toggle" and "only avoidable sexual content" tags. While it's rare, there are some games that have the sex scenes entirely detached from the story, like with Eden*. It's a small example, but as far as I'm aware, Baldr Force only has a fan TL of the all-ages version; I don't think there's a way to read the 18+ version in English.

There are also some Bishoujo games that never had sexual content to begin with, but I don't know if that's still in the realm of what you want.

>>7614
You're reminding me of that period of time when I'd read popular mass-recommended VNs like Muv luv and G-senjou no maou for the plot and then when I reached sex scenes I just mashed Enter until they were over.

>>7617
>Muv luv
Is this ride worth it? It's been in my backlog forever.

>>7618
I'd like to say yes but my situation is a little unusual because I've only completed the first two Muv-luv story arcs. At some point while I was playing Alternative my copy consistently crashed during a certain scene and I couldn't get past it. Back then I never hunted down another cracked copy and just gave up on it but at some point once it came to steam I got it on sale and it's in my library now awaiting a moment when I feel like finally completing it. I enjoyed what I played but I never reached the ending of Alternative so I can't judge it based on the whole package.

>>7614
>Tokyo necro
Let me know what you think anona, I've been really interested into hat title for a while

>>7615
>>7616
Thanks a lot! (I meant eroge/bishoujo in general.)

>was released on consoles
Do those version ever make it to the fan translation scene? I think nobody even bothers to crack them.

>Baldr Force only has a fan TL of the all-ages version
That's interesting. How did this happen? I know it's more of an /m/ title, so maybe that's a contributing factor.

>>7621
Okay, once I find the time. I've started it, but the sleaziness is somehow off-putting - I wouldn't expect characters in a professional setting behaving like that right from the start. Plus I've learnt the female MC is a lesbian (not even bi) and doesn't have any romance with the male MC at all - that crushed me and I've somehow lost the interest to continue.

>>7618
NAYRT but I'm a huge fan of Muv-Luv, and I wanted to give my (very biased) opinion. It's one of the best VNs I've read, but your enjoyment is entirely contingent upon how tolerant you are of VN bullshit like infodumping and fanservice. Muv-Luv's appeal comes from how it takes your typical slice-of-life rom-com and then throws its characters into a war drama. Like, imagine if the Lucky Star girls got thrown into All Quiet on the Western Front, and took it 100% seriously. There are so many tropes that are either defied or used in a more grounded fashion, there's a lore reason why the cast is 90% female, and it makes sense. You're probably familiar with the premise, but Extra has fantastic foreshadowing, and there are bits that will go over your head until you've finished the trilogy. The military, sci-fi, alternate history, and mecha parts are great. It felt like the writer had a vision for a war story, but because he worked for a company that made galge, he had to fit it under that genre. It's a strange combination, but when you see the pink-haired catgirl lying on the ground with a sniper rifle, you don't question it. The BETA are also handled in a unique manner, especially when you finally realize WHY they're invading. It's still one of my favorite reasons for aliens to come to Earth, alongside Roadside Picnic. Also, I don't want to spoil my favorite section of the game, but MLA deals with the multiple universes in a way that makes you go, "oh shit," when you realize how bad things are. This whole trilogy is one big "oh shit" moment.

The biggest negative is the prequels' debatable quality. I liked Extra because it's stupid and funny, but when I hit Unlimited, I thought, "is that it?" It felt like a standard VN with a military coat of paint. Do not be fooled. Unlimited is NOT representative of Alternative. Additionally, the h-scenes are bad BAD. One in particular actively detracts from the story in a terrible way. Even with the scenes removed, it still feels like an eroge. I'll warn you that while people love MLA, the game filters for people who WILL like it. If you're the kind of person who would sit through Extra and Unlimited, you're the kind of person who would like Alternative. It's difficult to find people with good criticisms of MLA, not because it's flawless, but because the people who could've made those criticisms have better things to do than read a 950,000 word trilogy they don't enjoy.

Sorry this post is long when you asked a one-sentence question. I'm sure there's a nona on here with a negative experience to match my positive one, but Muv-Luv accomplishes something special. Muv-Luv is not my favorite VN, but if I had to pick a VN to represent the medium, it would be my choice.

>>7625
>Muv-Luv accomplishes something special. Muv-Luv is not my favorite VN, but if I had to pick a VN to represent the medium, it would be my choice.
Maybe I'm talking out of my ass here but I feel like under the right circumstances it could've taken off to the extent that Fate did but for whatever reason it didn't quite get there. At least that's the impression I've gotten cause last time I heard about this franchise in the wild is when youtube recs showed me a video about a Muv-luv gacha that imploded in record time.

>>7628
>it could've taken off to the extent that Fate did but for whatever reason it didn't quite get there
I am also talking out of my ass, but I think it has to do with accessibility and target audience. While Fate is of a similar length, I think it feels less intimidating when each route of FSN is pretty decent, and you get exactly what you expected. Meanwhile, people interested in the war drama aspect of Muv-Luv have to tolerate two VNs in a completely different genre before getting to the 'good part.' Additionally, prior to Fate, TYPE-MOON had created Tsukihime and related VNs; Fate is not terribly different tonally or thematically from Tsukihime, so if you like Tsukihime, you'll like Fate. Meanwhile, although age was no stranger to darker themes, they didn't venture into "war drama utsuge with alien invasion and extensive science and military minutiae" territory before MLA. Kiminozo and KimiIta are their most famous titles prior to Muv-Luv, in my opinion, and while Extra and Unlimited fit with these two tonally, Alternative doesn't. I once read that a lot of Extra/Unlimited fans were disappointed by Alternative when it initially released in Japan, probably because it's entirely linear and it doesn't have a happy ending. We take Muv-Luv's premise for granted now, but it was unexpected when it released; age probably alienated some of their core audience with it. Finally, Fate got another huge boost from its good anime adaptation. It helps that FSN is not horribly difficult to adapt if you just focus on one route instead of whatever Studio Deen was trying to do. Muv-Luv is far from impossible to adapt, but it would take a lot of patience and more time than what was afforded to Fate (the UBW anime is 26 episodes and adapts 1/3 of Fate in a complete and satisfactory story, whereas a Muv-Luv anime would need to adapt the whole thing in one go or else it wouldn't make sense).
>last time I heard about this franchise in the wild is when youtube recs showed me a video about a Muv-luv gacha that imploded in record time.
Don't forget about the godawful 2021-2022 anime adaptation that speedran the first 2 VNs in the series and threw uninitiated people into Alternative with absolutely no context while also alienating the VN's audience by changing the character designs, voice actors, and music into something that is objectively inferior to the VN's! Being a Muv-Luv fan is suffering.

Reading Akaya Akashiya Ayakashino and random untranslated Japanese out of the blue. So unprofessional.

>>7622
I forgot to mention in my previous post, but I think the Kikokugai all-ages version also got a fan TL, as well!

>Do those version ever make it to the fan translation scene?
Yes! While it's kind of a moot point now that FSN has an official release, the Realta Nua version (originally for PS2 iirc) was the basis for the fan patch that let you toggle sexual content, as well as get the additional scenes from that version (Realta Nua added scenes and had some other better qualities over the original, but omitted the sex scenes since it was on console). AIR is another example; there's a Vita patch available that cuts all the adult content. I think the Killer Queen remake is also getting a fan translation, and last I saw, it's specifically the Nintendo Switch version, which doesn't have sexual content.

>That's interesting. How did this happen?
I couldn't find any concrete information, but I've seen a lot of people say that the Japanese all-ages version added improvements to gameplay and voice acting to the protagonist, so I would assume it had something to do with that?