No.2819
Never gave a shit about this. Ever since I hit puberty I was never into real people or wanted a relationship. My brain is probably broken but it's never effected my life negatively cause I have no interest in living like a sheep so I just don't care.
No.2820
Straight (probably) in theory, literally too autistic in practice. I thought I was asexual as a teen but I probably just have some kind of touch aversion. Fine reading fictional sex, no interest in it IRL. Saw 3d (gay) porn once and had zero interest, and I hate photorealistic or over-rendered 2d porn. I could probably only have one of those 'truly' asexual romantic relationships, but add on the near impossibility of that plus all the bullshit you open yourself up to just by dating and it's just not worth it. I'm happier shipping BL and making OCs.
No.2822
Heterosexual.
I get out more from gay fiction and gay porn made for dudes than from a lot of yaoi, but that might just be me being a tomboy to the extreme.
No.2823
>>2820Straight
Used to consider myself ace as well. Hate 3d porn and used to think I was going to end up alone.
Now I have a BF, and am honestly not sure if I even consider Ace to be real. I think it puts an over emphasis on the physical nature of a relationship, I still don't want to be intimate that much, but I don't know if I'd consider that an actually sexuality as much as a personal preference.
I also would hate to put people down though for something that I never actually had a right to identify as.
Anyway mentioned it in another thread but I'm Catholic and was originally drawn to the forbidden love aspect of yaoi. I loved reading about people coping with the fear of others finding out and explorations of how their sexuality affects their interactions with the world.
I first got into it in middle school when I discovered Mangafox had a category for it and found it way more compelling than shojo romance, something I had never been into.
Still prefer BL even if it isn't a deep character study into the sexuality of MC. Maybe it's because I, being straight, just prefer reading about male characters. That's definitely why I prefer slash fanfiction.
In recent years I have thought a bit how my faith and interests interact. Maybe due to the upshot in people calling it problematic and fetishistic, maybe just due to me just trying to be conscientious, I've kind of been afraid of being unironically problematic. It isn't a sexuality I identify with, I'm not a member of the LGBT, and I identify with something else which historically victimized the other.
I guess that all leads to a little bit of guilt on my end, and some shame. I try to justify it by the fact that I don't actually like smut that much, more into character focused clean fics, but still.
I'm straight and I'm a bad person for liking this is an on-and-off-fear.
No.2824
I find both men and women attractive in real life, but Im not into yuri in the slightest, don't know why.
I do mainly use bl to get off followed by only a very specific type of het, the really dumb and fucked raunchy shit for some reason.
No.2825
Super interesting that two other people mentioned asexuality.
I'm bisexual. Used to consider myself asexual, and I got into BL at my most asexual. I don't know if I was ever really ace or just biphobic (associating bisexuality with high sex drive sexual degeneracy, when my libido is fairly low most of the time). I like both BL and hetshit which seems like a minority here.
>>2824>Im not into yuri in the slightest, don't know why99% of yuri is extremely, extremely boring.
No.2826
>>2825>99% of yuri is extremely, extremely boring.As someone who likes yuri, this seems pretty much true. I like my yuri with similar dynamics to BL, which means I'm usually just shipping rarepairs or OCs. I usually find that I love the concept of my BL ships genderbent to F/F and wish it actually existed.
Though I've always been into BL and yuri but have only just recently got into some het. I thought I'd never ship het, ever, but it turns out I'm just very picky with characterization and dynamics. There also has to be no better male option to ship the guy with.
No.2827
I actually came to terms with my attraction towards girls in a pretty young age, before I discovered yaoi. I think it was my sga that drew me to yaoi and yuri in the first place though I did end up preferring yaoi since it's easier for me to distance myself from male characters.
I did identify as bisexual for many years but lately I actually have been question whenever my attraction to men is genuine but it feels really weird/stupid to be a fujo and a lesbian at the same time. I know many lesbians would look down on that and I wouldn't blame them>__> I'm still questioning my sexuality and my love for 2d men isn't making it easier for me. though if I did end up id as lesbian I would probably stop reading yaoi
No.2828
>sexuality
bisexual
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
I'm more drawn to homosexual relationships in general, but unfortunately most yuri/GL is pretty boring and potentially shippable female side characters are often times one-dimensional cardboard cutouts who only exist to support more interesting characters. Thankfully this is becoming less frequent, but for every MadoHomu there's a dozen waifuA/waifuB bait pairs that have the chemistry of soggy drywall.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
Mostly? Probably. Do lesbian/bi/asexual women comprise a disproportionately large amount of fujos? Definitely. It's hard to give exact numbers especially since identifying as "queer" is so ubiquitous in Western fandom, but in my experience there are more lesbians/bis/asexuals than one would expect.
No.2830
Lesbian.
Even before I discovered BL I was always into women and was never interested in men, and I knew what same-sex attraction was before I started reading it so the only suprise to me was that it had a market for BL. For me BL didn't influence my attraction to people, but before I discovered it never payed attention to the male characters but now things are different - I get dissapointed when the male characters are bland (and even more so for the female ones).
Still, I can't deny the fact that there are male characters who have extreme appeal to me, but I never thought "Wow I want to fuck this guy" it's more of "I like his characterisation, story and design and I have a bond with this character as a reader/observer", plus I have never self-shipped with a male character, though I haven't done that with a female one too.
I also read yuri (right now I've stopped because I've got no time) but I refuse to engage with male authors who draw their characters as if they're 12 year old and yuri with repeating stories or surface-level characters. I really liked Gunjou, it's from a female author (Nakamura Ching, who is actually lesbian) and the art is awesome and unique.
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
No, I think that I'm into BL because the stories resonate with me and because there are a lot of female authors who make amazing titles in this genre. I feel like BL trully gets it on the romance part, while most hetero or yuri misses it.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
Straight people make the big majority of the population, so them being the bigger % in anything isn't suprising. I see no problem with straight women being the majority of BL/Yaoi spaces.
So yes, I think they are.
No.2831
straight but I have 0 interest in rl men and I'm too tarded socially to date people. I'm happier being a yumejoshi type anyway
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi? yes, I like men so naturally I want to see men together. I don't really care about het stuff, especially r18 because it puts a big focus on the women and the yuri I've read is boring as fuck
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?Don't know don't care. Probably.
>>2823>Maybe due to the upshot in people calling it problematic and fetishistic, maybe just due to me just trying to be conscientious, I've kind of been afraid of being unironically problematic.all the people who throw it around just use it as a buzzword. Fetishizing is bad, ergo, if I say xyz thing is fetishizing then my sheep peers will agree without question. If you're respectful to real-life gay men, then whatever you like fictionally doesn't matter. (also, I like your Fujiyoshi pic)
No.2834
I'm a lesbian.
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
When I was in my teens I was only about girl love and didn't understand the big deal about BL. My then girlfriend introduced me to BL and now I've been a fujoshi for years. So in other words I got roped in because of my proximity with women and enjoyment of being around them with no men present so I guess my sexuality played a role in that sense. Never had sexual attraction to IRL males and never will, I'm also very horny and enjoy lesbian sex IRL but just not in porn.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women? I'll start by saying I'm bisexual.
Straight women are the majority of women everywhere except explicitly lesbian circles, of course they're the majority of fujos as well. But lesbians are still very common in fujo spaces. Around 40% of I've met have been straight, 30% bi, 30% lesbian. Ironically enough I've met maybe two lesbian yuri fans in my entire life, the rest have been straight women or men.
No.2836
>>2817I'm straight, grew up in a retarded, crazy religious household that forbid me from communicating with males at the risk of calling me a whore and beating me up until 18 and now my family wonders why I'm still single and don't have kids yet. I don't think it has a major influence on me being a fujoshi. I like guys, I like edgy romance or actually funny romcoms, I'm sick of long, unfinished stories that have the pacing of a snail or no ending at all so I like BL, that's it. I like older shojo manga I read as a teenager like Angel Sanctuary or stuff by Clamp, I'd put that stuff in a similar category for example.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?Yes, obviously. The majority is straight women, even if I get why bi girls and lesbians will enjoy BL.
No.2849
>>2842>I think it's because I falsely assumed heterosexual women would swin for yumejoshi-type content more.Y'know, one of my lesbian friends is a huge yumejo. To the point where it's her entire personality and all she ever posts about. And none of her yumejo friends are straight either from what I've seen, a few of them are also lesbians but most are bisexual.
As a lesbian, I don't understand why a gay woman would ever want to date/fuck an anime boy, but fiction ≠ reality so who really cares. I just find it interesting.
No.2856
>>2849That's weird, I've personally never met lesbian yumejos. Most of the lesbians I know and have met are either into BL and/or F/F roleplaying with their own characters but all yumes I've ever come across have been as straight as straight can be and a worrying amount has been homophobic, at least to a degree. Like having aggressive fits over fujos headcanoning their husbando as gay, taking huge offence to being asked if she's non straight, calling lesbians and gay people slurs etc. One that I used to follow for art recently even had a meltdown practically about how "everything being gay, where's #straightpride" kek.
No.2863
>>2856That's been my experience, too. A lot of them are even pickmes that think male otaku will accept and praise them the harder and louder they shit on fujos and go "I'm not like the other fangirls~", which is baffling 'cause why would you pickme over male otaku of all men. Must be real desperate and lonely, I feel bad for them.
No.2886
>>2856I don't get lesbian yumejos because being a yumejo made me realize I wasn't gay kek.
it's cringe when people headcanon their husbandos as lesbian or trans woman to justify liking him or something.
>having aggressive fits over fujos headcanoning their husbando as gayLike taking it out on other fans and shit? I get not liking another fans' interpretation but throwing fits over it is just retarded.
I'm sorry you've met so many nasty yumejos nona, hoping you get to talk to some nicer ones soon
No.2933
>>2817Genuinely asexual. I find relationships as a whole incomprehensible and repulsive. Even in my BL I don't like "wholesome romances" or anything. I don't want to sound edgy, but I usually just like my BL to see men suffer in some way. I like shit that is rape/non-con, incest, guro, mob, etc. But I don't get off to it either, I don't think much of it. I just think it's fun to put characters through situations and I mostly correlate sex to horror. I guess I'm asexual leaning straight because I don't really care about women, but I don't care about people all that much in general.
I'm fucked up in the head, probably.
No.2942
I don't really dwell on my sexuality too much but I guess I'm bisexual and asexual.
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
Definitely, I have 0 interest in an actual relationship so I guess it's a way for me to experience romance without being personally involved.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
Probably, I think some fujoshis claim that they're not "cishet" to avoid getting shit for liking BL as a straight woman.
No.2943
Biromantic, woman/sapphic leaning asexual? Bear in mind that I am NEET who avoids human contact unless necessary.
I've heard that secondhand that women who aren't exclusively straight are more likely to be into m/m, but my unprofessional opinion is that putting gender and sexuality barriers on what people whack off to is stupid. Being decent to other people, including the other nonnas who post here, is more important than how we view anime men and the positions they're put into.
No.3263
I love women so much it's unreal
No.3266
>>3263I love (you) so much it's unreal.
No.3270
>>2817
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?Yes, I'm straight and uncomfortable around other women due to abuse. I want to see cute boys doing lovey-dovey stuff, but I don't want to see women because I cannot relate to most of them.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?It seems like most of the vocal fandom community are lesbians or aren't attracted to men irl, this seems to have made it into a political 'queer' thing, which makes it hard to find fan theories and fanning without wading into country-specific political soup.
No.3271
>>2829>Realistically, if such a large percentage of women in these fandom/geek spaces were into women, we should see waaaay more yuri and femslashRereading the thread since it was bumped and I find the sentiment very interesting. I had always assumed that bias was due to female characters being written like dogshit, and as a straight girl who is honestly disgusted by pussy (sorry) I never really looked into f/f works outside a few anime with an all-female cast so I figured I just wasn't in those kind of communities.
Recently though I've been watching a show with a very strong canon connection between two complexly written female characters with a fair bit of screentime. While peeking at the stats on AO3 in advance since I'm on the last season I was surprised to see that out of 1000+ works the two girls I was thinking of only have 129 fics and are the highest f/f pair.
I've seen lesbians in this thread and others mention hating yuri since it's mainly by men, which makes sense, but I don't understand why it seems that fanworks neglect female characters even when they are well written.
Bi/lesbian women are clearly present in fandom spaces, especially factoring in larger communities not just fujospaces, but I wonder if they are mostly passive content-consumers of fanworks, or if they just make up way less numbers than I thought. I figure Japan must have more lesbian fujos than the west though since there is so much "yaoi" art that is clearly by women where one or both of the boys is turned into a woman.
No.3279
>>3271>I've seen lesbians in this thread and others mention hating yuri since it's mainly by men, which makes sense, but I don't understand why it seems that fanworks neglect female characters even when they are well written. Personally, I know maybe 1-2 well written, romantic female relationships I've seen in media. Just because there's a potential f/f ship with both characters being fine on their own doesn't mean that they have enough charisma as a couple. I'm not intrigued by femme/femme couples (i.e. 99% of all lesbian presentation in media) myself because they sadly often have an exploitative undertone and are treated as coom material for men, and I also like both characters being fully developed adults instead of two young girls. Like you could argue that Madoka and Homura share a dynamic very popular in BL but because they're both very girly and look barely pubescent I can't bring myself to be interested, I'm too bothered over how weirdly fetishizing the ship feels.
I actually have had people telling me "You're not looking hard enough" or "You should create your own material" but what's the point? We already have an established community of women that attracts us across sexualities coming together and creating, sharing and enjoying content that men aren't interested in. Why should I start digging for or creating a ton of f/f content just to prove that I'm lesbian because people, for whatever reason, have a constant need to question my sexuality? Lesbianism is generally mystified to a ridiculous extent, it's made out to be like some cult with rigid rules and etiquette when it shouldn't be nothing more than loving real life women romantically and sexually. If gay men had a similar shared love for yuri and created a community around the subject matter I wouldn't think twice about it, it's a male genre to begin with so of course they would feel at home there. And to be perfectly honest, sometimes it does feel like some homophobic psyop to shame lesbians out of the community because straight girls don't like our presence.
>I figure Japan must have more lesbian fujos than the west though since there is so much "yaoi" art that is clearly by women where one or both of the boys is turned into a woman.A lot of fujos in Japan are lesbian, but the ones hetbending the ship definitely are not though.
No.3280
>>3279Not to add anything, but I completely agree with everything you've written.
Why should I move to a genre that's dominated by men, when there's another dominated by women? Trying to be into something stained by the hands of men is really tiring.
No.3282
>>2829>People always have excuses why they gravitate toward the dick, but honestly if they were truly horny for vaginas they would be as into f/f content.Continuing from
>>3279 (You) , I think this is a very heterosexual misconception of how people enjoy media. I, nor my lesbian fujo friends, don't want to have sex with the characters. We don't self insert into the story. I don't have my panties go wet the moment I see a drawn dick, in BL t's comparable to a dildo to me. I enjoy the sex scenes because of the atmosphere, the dynamics and the sexual tension, not because penis goes in butt. I don't walk around thinking about vaginas and vulvas and get turned on immediately. There's a lot more to erotica than the sex organs, that's why straight women can be turned on by lesbian porn despite being 100% heterosexual. They like it because it feels safe and nonthreatening unlike a lot of straight porn, the same reason we like BL.
No.3285
>>3282Lol keep reading porn for straight women while insisting you like girls
No.3286
>>3285Kek, guess I will then? Stay mad and seethe.
Actually, the more I think about it it's more of a concern for men that there are lesbian fujos. I can't imagine straight women being so petty that they would scream and kick about how you can't be a lesbian if you enjoy reading about a bunch effeminate anime men and their relationship drama and instead must have your life revolve around vaginas and feminine things, but I can come up with multiple reasons for straight men to be so concerned about a woman being so invested in fictional men but not giving a crumb of pussy to him nor finding him attractive in any way. It's all making sense.
No.3287
Anon you're replying to.
>>3279>Personally, I know maybe 1-2 well written, romantic female relationships I've seen in media. Just because there's a potential f/f ship with both characters being fine on their own doesn't mean that they have enough charisma as a couple. I'm not intrigued by femme/femme couples (i.e. 99% of all lesbian presentation in media) myself because they sadly often have an exploitative undertone and are treated as coom material for men, and I also like both characters being fully developed adults instead of two young girls. I understand that.
Madoka is one of the only series I actually like F/F for because the characters actually have personality and differing relationships with each other that isn't just "uwu soft girls."
My thing is though when I'm looking a a series where a big potential f/f ship has way more interesting chemistry than the biggest m/m ship there and yet the m/m one has 6x the amount of stories it's frustrating and confusing.
Trying not to be like
>>3285 because it's not helpful and demeaning, I don't want to accuse anyone of being fake.
It's just for all the ships where people just smash two conventionally attractive men together and call it a day, or the sheer number of ships where characters don't even interact with each other that much canonically, I don't understand why I only seem to see large amounts of f/f for canon couples.
At the end of the day I'm a straight girl, I guess it doesn't really matter regardless. I just like to try to understand things.
No.3288
>>3287>At the end of the day I'm a straight girl, I guess it doesn't really matter regardless. I just like to try to understand things.It's totally understandable and I appreciate it, but some things are just born out of a life you have never lived. It's hard to explain the ins and outs of growing up gay and how it affects you, your relation to your sexuality and how you perceive the world to someone who never had to deal with things like homophobia, suppressing your sexuality and particularly both fetishization and ostracization of lesbians. But I guess I could put it best this way - if the fujo community was entirely run by men, I wouldn't be interested in it. I don't like bara or the kind of content gay men create in general, nor do I like the cumbrained straight/bisexual male femboy crap because both are made by and for men and their sexuality, something I find even repulsive.
No.3293
>>3290You can be as suspicious of it as you want, I really don't care because it doesn't change my material reality. I was just explaining my personal experience because an anon was asking questions about it. Effeminate doesn't mean "looks like a girl", most of the characters don't act like real men because they're written by women, even actual gay men who enjoy geikomi as a genre famously find BL too feminine and girly for their tastes. And for the love of god learn how to reply on an imageboard, this isn't Reddit. Also, what does "discount Yuri who is written by women mostly" even mean?
No.3297
>>3290Straight nona here.
A lot of BL men do look manlier nowadays, a lot of them used to not do that and some of them still don't. I know homos who enjoy some BL for having a good balance of twunk.
Meanwhile, I also like some traps/femboys and gei-comi. Not a huge section, but there's something very appealing and base about men with hair and proper msucles. I also don't have a problem with 'male sexuality' as lesbonanos here have described, am literally just here 2 fap, and will even enjoy the coom depending on genre.
I've seen similar tendencies from other straight women, often a bit on the older side.
No.3299
>>3293>t. Effeminate doesn't mean "looks like a girl", most of the characters don't act like real men because they're written by womenlol how sexist. Women can write manly men, girly men, pathetic men just like any writer.
>Hurr hurr real menCan't believe anime character don't act like real people. Wait until you find out women in manga also don't act like real women!! it will blow your mind!!!
No.3302
>>3301> This is a strange amount of hostility towards something that's not even about you or affects you in any way.We are actually talking about BL, which was this board was made for. Thought I understand half of the userbase is more interested in discussion 3d lolcow shit and Yuri (because clearly there are no enough places on the internet for that)
No.3303
>>33021. This is a thread in /ot/, the offtopic board meant for discussion not related to BL.
2. This is a thread about the sexualities of the user and why they like BL as a member of that sexual identity, replies were completely on topic.
3. Yuri was only mentioned in passing to address the issue of why lesbian anons don't find it appealing in comparison to BL.
Did you seriously enter a board you're not interested in, opened a thread about a subject that clearly strikes a nerve and then just started ranting about anons of not posting le yaoiz in an offtopic thread? Are you daft or just baiting? Are you next going to the music thread to complain about anons not posting only Merry Yaoimas songs? At least do us a favor and stop bumping the thread with your tantrums, hide the thread next time.
No.3304
>>3302The fuck.
Nona, I get where you might be coming from. Yes, it sucks that a lot of the SJW actively shitting up our fujo spaces are flying lesbian flags (regardless if they're lesbian or not) for social capital.
I have seen zero of that SJW shit here. I have seen zero picking-apart-our-nice-porn or calling us dumbfags for having straight sex drives and liking things that are close to 'male sex drive' stuff. I have seen people expressing their personal opinions, and I have seen some moid hate of the kind that happens on these boards, but it's nowwhere close to the bullshit that I assume you have encountered on social media.
You're creating a negative vibe. STFU and post more bishie ass, or GTFO.
No.3310
>>3271>Bi/lesbian women are clearly present in fandom spaces, especially factoring in larger communities not just fujospaces, but I wonder if they are mostly passive content-consumers of fanworks, or if they just make up way less numbers than I thought.Guess I'll give my rare take and say that I also hetship a lot. I'm a bisexual and my bisexuality is that I want to be masculine to a girl and feminine to a guy, so most of lust-towards-girls content I consume is satisfied by projecting onto male MCs. Whereas I don't think I project onto my slash ships that much though.
Another anon mentioned that they aren't "intrigued by femme/femme couples", and maybe that has something to with it. So few butch female characters. I think a lot of the femslash couples I like have some at least semi-butchy girls (Utena/Anthy, Azula/Ty Lee, Chie/Yukiko)
I'm probably more a "slasher" (interest in western/live action series) than a "fujoshi", so the talk of overly feminine BL guys doesn't count to me, but I use fujoshi mostly since it feels like slash has really fallen out of favor as a term and "slasher" just makes people think of horror movies. RIP.
I guess I don't understand the 'lesbians like BL because women write it' because I primary like shipping in non-BL series written by men rather than full canon BL series.
No.3618
I'm bi and I've always had a difficult relationship with heteronormativity, despite me not minding being feminine to women and men (to some extent).
When it comes to fiction I really can't digest het. I just don't vibe to it most of the time, i do have het ships but they're rare, most hetero tropes and dynamics repel me hard and even more when it's coming from people who are trying really hard to pass it as sUbVERsiVe and uNcOnVenTioNal, like those kids on twitter who ship the malewife with the girlboss and pat themselves in the back for being woke. BL and yuri (when it's not made by tender queers) is what I truly enjoy.
No.3619
Anyone else straight and enjoy BL just because they like submissive men? I like femdom in theory too, but 99% of the content is made for men unfortunately. Also, I'm tired of the stereotype that fujos only like BL because they're jealous and insecure of women. I just don't like seeing women in heteronormative relationships with men, because the woman is submissive in some way while the guy tries too hard to be cool and in control and it disgusts me. On a similar note, I absolutely hate when the more "feminine"/smaller/younger guy in a ship is the submissive one. Makes me feel like it's just a M/f ship just in a BL skin.
>>3618>like those kids on twitter who ship the malewife with the girlboss and pat themselves in the back for being wokeI'm tired of seeing this too.
No.3620
>>3619I agree with almost everything you've said.
>I just don't like seeing women in heteronormative relationships with men, because the woman is submissive in some way while the guy tries too hard to be cool and in control and it disgusts me.I feel you so much. I think that submissiveness appeals to many people (especially men) because they have full control over their partner and it's easier to manipulate and make the other person do what you want. On the other hand being submissive appeals to other people because they feel like they have protection and a bigger chance that their partner will stay with them (which isn't true). At least, that's what I think from my experience.
>On a similar note, I absolutely hate when the more "feminine"/smaller/younger guy in a ship is the submissive one. Makes me feel like it's just a M/f ship just in a BL skin.Sometimes the authors don't realise they've fallen in this trope imo. I used to be into mpreg, but this cliche was so strong in the genre I completely stopped reading it.
I think most writers use it because it's easier to build different dynamics between the characters.
>I like femdom in theory too, but 99% of the content is made for men unfortunately.Was never into femdom but I feel your pain with having something that has mostly content made for men. Hope you find someone (artist, writer) that does the things you like the way you like.
>Anyone else straight and enjoy BL just because they like submissive men?Not straight, and I prefer it when both the characters are standing on equal ground, but I used to be into it in my first fujoshi years. Now it's not for me, but I see that many other fujos like it. I'm sure you're not alone.
No.3622
>>3619I don't like BL solely because i like submissive men but i can still relate, most femdom stuff is incredibly scrotey and very obviously made so moids can self insert as the sub.
No.3631
>>3619I love submissive men and love seeing my faves get dominated and pursued. by other men, women, mobs, tentacles, whatever. I think I might even unironically enjoy Readerxsubmissive character too but I've literally never seen it before.
Femdom is sadly usually either obviously created by men and thus ick. Or written by women who are clearly trying to be subversive (like
>>3618 mentioned) and are painfully clunky about it. Like, there's fic that's obviously written for woke bragging on twitter vs fic that's written for actual enjoyment.
No.4182
Basically no libido or at least not enough to ever masturbate but pretty sure I am het and most of my friends were always male too. Never felt romantic feelings towards anybody in real life though and I don't like to touch people and feel a distaste for sweet love talking, even in fiction.
No idea if it plays a role for me being a fujo, maybe. I don't like it when it's romantic though. It's always better when the dynamic is spicy and involving some sort of competition or rivalry, which is one of the reasons for why I prefer non-canon ships over canon BL pairings.
No.4186
bisexual and i don't think shipping/my tastes in fiction influenced my sexuality. i've been a fujo since i was 10 and grew up reading bl/gl more than het romance but it never made me question my sexuality (maybe i was just dense). i have little to no interest in relationships though, i'm content with 2d
No.4190
i’m bisexual, but i thought i was a lesbian for most of my teen years. for context, i realized i wasn’t straight like, crazy young, definitely before puberty. and it was through a combo of sublimating all het attraction through shipping and believing fictional moids didn’t count that kept me in denial. i eventually got it all figured out, though, which involves another spiel of sperging that i won’t ramble about here.
but, i actually think it was my attraction to women that lead me to yaoi more than my attraction to men. so much yuri, especially fic, seemed to be either sanitized fluff or malebrained porn, with little in-between that actually resonated with the angst i was feeling about being young and closeted and afraid of homophobic backlash. yaoi captured that much more. but i’d be lying if i said it didn’t also give me a way to “safely” explore attraction to men.
and as for what the most common fujo sexuality is, i think i’d say straight women by sheer virtue of statistics, but it also wouldn’t surprise me at all if a ton of us are bisexual.
No.4193
At what point in your life did you know what your sexuality was? What I like changes so often I have never felt comfortable saying what I am with confidence.
No.4194
I'm straight but used to have homosexual tendencies
No.4195
>>4193like, you mean age? i was 18, but i’d been questioning myself for a decade by then, so it was a long-overdue realization.
i also don’t want to make assumptions about your situation or anything, but if you feel like your preferences change, you might want to look into bisexuality and cycling attraction. i personally rarely feel a perfect 50/50 in terms of being into both sexes, and that contributed a lot to my general confusion.
No.4196
>>3618>most hetero tropes and dynamics repel me hard and even more when it's coming from people who are trying really hard to pass it as sUbVERsiVe and uNcOnVenTioNal, like those kids on twitter who ship the malewife with the girlboss and pat themselves in the back for being woke.I'm petty but I feel this whenever I see Luigi x Daisy.
No.4202
>>4193I had a crush on girls in school so potent people I barely spoke to knew about it when I didn't. I only really started to recognize what my type in girls was in my 20s when I lived away from my parents and more people started asking about that kind of thing. I'm still not certain though. I don't think about 3D sexually only in blushing dokidoki terms at most. There's always been more men than women, my types in women are way less than men and I can even point out types of anime girl that mean absolutely nothing to me. BL makes it way easier to like both sides. I don't consume 3D porn and I tend not to have much interest in 2D either except at certain points in my cycle when I'm suddenly really interested in butts and mouths, and the stuffing of them. I don't spend very long looking but I will think and say constant lewd shit and then the next week it's gone like I've never fancied a dick in my life. I know some women are horny 24/7 but I think on the opposite end, when your body is fucky like mine, you can experience sexual attraction like someone flipping a switch. When it's OFF I think about calling myself asexual because there's nothing there, but when it's ON that feels stupid and I'd probably get told I'm not allowed.
Generally I think we'll be seeing far more bisexual women now and in future because more people are prompted to think about whether they've found other women attractive. If I'd never been in proximity to that conversation I might have never looked back and ascribed a different label to those feelings. Same thing with wondering if my sexual sense is broken because before people started asking I didn't think of calling it something, I just thought I was immature and inexperienced. Now I can at least say my hormones like to ruin a day off.
No.4203
>>4202>I don't spend very long looking but I will think and say constant lewd shit and then the next week it's gone like I've never fancied a dick in my life.this is super relatable. i still feel vague attraction most of the time, but i’m only really sexual when i’m ovulating or right at the beginning of my period. to an extent, i think it’s normal, but i’ve gone through periods of almost being sex-repulsed (especially towards moids, even 2d) if i’m not at the “right” point in my cycle.
No.4205
>>4202>I'm still not certain though. I don't think about 3D sexually only in blushing dokidoki terms at most>I don't spend very long looking but I will think and say constant lewd shitI'm similar to you and what I find works is a combination of the above. If you're lucky enough to have a crush that you can talk BL with, try talking about your favorite kinks with them the next time you're at that part of your cycle. If they indulge you it's better than sex.
No.4303
Straight. Still have doubts about it (having ocd doesn't help).
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
I'm the type who likes yaoi because two men smooching is hot. Sure, story, pacing, and characters are everything but I want some spice in the end. Can't say the same for yea know, lesbians.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
I said there's more opposite sex attracted women than solely same sex attracted folks. Considering the ratio, it's a no brainer lol. One of the main draws of yaoi i a exploration of female sexuality without necessarily including women in it. That isn't to say lesbians can't take something out of it, as evidenced by the folks in this thread.
No.4488
don't you hate it when normies insist you're not a lesbian because you enjoy some gay art
No.4490
>>4488tbh when you see some BL that barely have a story and have very long and detailed sex scenes it's not too surprising that some people can ask this. Because a lot of people think BL is just that even though many of them have a story and the sex scenes are brief and only there to show the audience that the main pairing are canon and real.
No.4491
>>4488>like gay art>like girls irlI've been accused of being everything and yet they're nearly always wrong.
No.4492
>>4488Normies simply do not understand that shipping dynamics transcend identity. Even in PWP art/writing there is a dynamic.
No.4523
>>4488yes, it makes me so mad, it's the one thing that i wish i could 'force' people to understand. i get that a lot of them just care about the definition of lesbian/homosexual. they know how disingenuous and potentially dangerous it is to claim that lesbians are attracted to and/or have sex with men. corrective rape is real and heinous, and lesbian erasure is a genuine social problem as well. so i get it, i do. but 2d is literally not real, that's a drawing, these are pixels, why in the world do you think that's equivalent to a real man. plus, there are so many other psychosexual factors at play– lots of which have already been discussed ITT, so i won't rehash.
i wish that people, especially other lesbians, on the other side of this argument were willing to listen to my/our point of view instead of telling me so matter-of-factly that i am not gay. at the end of the day it doesn't matter. nothing will ever make me OSA, but it is so freaking annoying.
No.4525
>>4523>>4488>but 2d is literally not real, that's a drawing, these are pixels, why in the world do you think that's equivalent to a real man. plus, there are so many other psychosexual factors at play– lots of which have already been discussed ITT, so i won't rehash.What a stupid logic. Straight guys don't jerk to yaoi. Gay men don't jerk to lesbian porn. If you are really a lesbian but jerk off and obsess with gay male porn of course people are gonna doubt it.
Then again apparently nowadays asexual have sex, so who the hell knows. Are you really surprised why lesbians into F/F act understand why you obsess over M/M instead the thing you are attracted to?
No.4528
>>4525Your logic results in straight women that find lesbian porn hot identifying as a bisexual even though they wouldn't ever touch pussy. Also using men instead of women in your example is stupid considering men can and will meme themselves into being any sexuality because of a fetish.
No.4529
>>4525>Then again apparently nowadays asexual have sex, so who the hell knowsI'm typing this after waking up but this used to be me. I've never felt the need for sex, but I like orgasms. If somebody can give them to me through sex I can enjoy them without being passionate about the sex itself. Masturbation is my preference but I can make it work during sex if I really try. Is this delusional? My turn ons are otherwise 2D but calling myself 2Dsexual has always felt embarrassing.
No.4531
>>4525>Straight guys don't jerk to yaoiFuta/futa yuri and genderbender trope M/M where one of the guys is turned into a woman are basically BL for straight guys. Girly trap characters are targeted at them. They're the ones who add more dicks into stuff to get off to it.
But ignoring that, not everyone who likes BL is fapping to it, you know. I'm not a lesbian but I don't fap to fics or doujins I read even if I think they're hot, and it's probably the same for a lot of others.
No.4532
>>4531>>4531>Futa/futa yuri and genderbender trope M/M where one of the guys is turned into a woman are basically BL for straight guysFuta is still a woman.
>Girly trap characters are targeted at them.Trap characters are literally women with a dick
The more correct comparison would be things like "cunt boys". If you are a lesbian and you only produced M/M content and obsess over male ships don't be surprised people doubt you are a lesbian when somehow you can't stick to 1m of yuri ships out of there. And don't tell me something like "they are written for meeeen" like in this internet era there isn't something for everyone or 1m of fanworks. It's not like Naruto was written for women but we still obsess over it.
>>4528Straight dudes are the most insecure people on the planet, even nowadays the whole mention of "yaoi" or "being gay" would have them run shitless.
No.4533
>>4528>Your logic results in straight women that find lesbian porn hot identifying as a bisexual even though they wouldn't ever touch pussyBisexuality isn't conditional on having sex. If you're masturbating to a woman as a woman you are at the very least bisexual.
No.4536
>>4525>If you are really a lesbian but jerk off and obsess with gay male porn of course people are gonna doubt it.Do you think anyone who has ever liked a M/M ship or BL is jerking off to it? For many that's not the reason they enjoy BL at all.
>Are you really surprised why lesbians into F/F act understand why you obsess over M/M instead the thing you are attracted to?Maybe because a lot of F/F ships and media are really bland and focus on SoL and high school romance instead of exploring different dynamics? Or because of some fandoms being completely filled with trannies? Or the fact that you can't look at yuri content in piece without running into untagged futa? And then, even if you ignore the large amount of trannies, there's way too many people(antis) that try to make yuri some pure uwu thing with no flavor.
I've tried being in multiple F/F and yuri fandoms and I always ended up leaving for one or more of these reasons. And before you bring up trannies in BL spaces, the percentage of them is overall lower than the average yuri fandom unless we're talking about specific series that attract a ftm fanbase for whatever reason like Trigun.
No.4537
>>4536Yeah it's hard to find non-tranny-infested fandoms that have decent f/f ships. Only ones I can think of are media that is specifically targeted towards young girls (barbie, winx, etc.) even then there's always a chance it'll get the mlp treatment if it got really popular.
No.4540
>>4531>I'm not a lesbian but I don't fap to fics or doujins I read even if I think they're hot, and it's probably the same for a lot of others.I'm sorry if this is too personal of a question, but why not? If it is hot what is stopping you?
No.4548
>>4536>Do you think anyone who has ever liked a M/M ship or BL is jerking off to it? For many that's not the reason they enjoy BL at all.I'm not talking of people who like it. I like some F/F ships even if I'm straight. But there are "lesbians" who obsess over fictional men and ONLY men and give yuri zero love.
>Maybe because a lot of F/F ships and media are really bland and focus on SoL and high school romance instead of exploring different dynamics? How is this different from BL? A lot of ships anyway are purely based fanon anyway rather than "canon" which is involves making what you want of it.
>. And before you bring up trannies in BL spaces, the percentage of them is overall lower than the average yuri fandom unless we're talking about specific series that attract a ftm fanbase for whatever reason like Trigun.Yeah bullshit. Trannies in BL fandom are everywhere. Literally AO is filled with men with pussies. In comparison even yuri trannies don't typically put a cock in the art/fics. And if you mean the writers are troon who gives a shit? It's not like I have to look at them but the art/fics.
No.4549
>>4540I guess I should really say 'not all fics or doujins', my brain is weird and the only stuff I (rarely) fap to is certain weird kinks and it doesn't matter if it's M/M, M/F, or F/F, but it can't involve any characters I actually give a shit about. Has to be OCs or fandoms I don't know. But usually I just enjoy nsfw fic and art and don't feel any need to wank over it. I have low sex drive I guess, used to think I was asexual.
No.4550
>>4549Wish I was like this. I'm the ying to your yang because my brain is fucked in a way that every time I get invested in a show or new manga I end up masturbating to it.
>pick up a show because I like the premise or characters>hyperfixate like a turboautist>be daydreaming about it, thinking about AUs, speculating plot with others>feel horny without explanation during any of the above>fap>this happens for months until I find my new obsessionMight delete this when the feeling of cringe overwhelms me.
No.4560
>>4552It's good to know I'm not the only one. I've tried bringing this up with discreetly with friends but it's difficult to ask if they found the latest episode or chapter excited them in quite the same way.
No.4619
Biiiiiiiiiiiisexual big surprise
No.4620
>>4525>>4532What the fuck kind of bitter shit is this kek. I'm a lesbian fujo, I don't jerk off to BL, I can only get off to lesbian erotica or solo female, and I can only have sex with IRL women. I enjoy BL for other reasons than using it as a substitute for sex. Yeah the sex scenes are hot (they're made by women for other women after all) but it's the build up, dynamics and the setting that I find arousing, not the fact that they have male bodies. And I can assure you there are gay men who enjoy yuri, that's why all the tranny pedo femboy discords exist where they larp as girls and mommies. Go cry into a pillow in your bitchless bed nona, it's not our fault F/F has been irreparably tainted by scrotes and their voyeurism.
No.4639
>>4621What is bihet and how is it different from bi?
No.4640
>>4639"Bihet" is someone that calls themselves bisexual but usually dates in a way that is heterosexual. I.e., I hear it the most used to describe women that go on about how 'queer' they are and then they end up marrying a man and settling down in a few years. Not sure how the game is bihet because I've never played it. Maybe OP means all the guys act like straight guys?
No.4641
>>4640I don't think anon is saying the game is bihet, the thread is about your own sexuality. Probably added the pic as a meme/joke
No.4642
>>4639Bihet = bisexual with heavy preference for the opposite sex
No.4644
I know this is a debate that causes endless infighting but I'm a lesbian. I do find the BL sex scenes hot sometimes because of the dynamics–I prefer the actual dick part left out or blurred though. I like GL too, I just can't find much that suits my preferences very often. I started making my own GL fics and art to cater to my own tastes, but I still make BL stuff too. People like to sperg about how this means I'm actually bisexual, but I've never looked twice at a man irl, I find them entirely unappealing and uninteresting. I have known I only like other girls since I was ten years old and the only time I doubted myself was because I had a crush on a pre-T FTM when I was younger. I think most fujos are straight women because fujos are mostly women and most women are straight, but I'm sure there are many lesbian fujos who are similar to myself. You can complain about how we're not lesbians all day long, but what else do you call a woman who is only attracted to and only interested in being with other women in her day to day life?
No.4740
I have been described as "aggressively bisexual" before. It's an accurate assessment, I think.
No.4743
If me being heart fluttered by another woman jokingly hitting on me is anything to go by, i might be bisexual but too socially retarded to commit to a relationship
No.4745
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
No. My reason for liking BL is for reasons of unique plotlines and taboo relationships. I like GL too for the same reason but there's little content in comparison. No one seems willing to give it a try and I believe that it's because the majority of fujos (straight women) wouldn't be interested, so the content and fandoms just stay away from them. Some of them are really good, with the same themes and dynamics of BL, yet no real fandom content because men don't do it and straight women are the majority and decide where the content is.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
I think there are more than 50% hets but not more than 70%. The rest are lesbian or bi.
I'm a lesbian. I don't think I could ever be attracted to a man. I can think they are attractive but I am not attracted to them romantically or sexually.
No.4748
I don't know if I should post this here or in the confession thread but these last three weeks I have been insanely horny. Everything I see or read is giving me lewd thoughts even outside of my usual interests. Nothing in my life that I can think of has changed that could be causing this. What gives?
No.4749
>>4748Depends on how old you are and your mental state.
No.4750
>>4748After hitting my 30s I started getting insane horny phases in my period cycle but it usually lasts 1-2 weeks at most. Same thing with the constant lewd thoughts, and overestimating how hot things are.
No.4755
>>4749>how oldIn my 20s
>mental stateBad for a normal person but otherwise fine.
>>4750I've not noticed any changes in my cycle but it could be this.
>and overestimating how hot things areI can't hold a conversation without turning it lewd and I am waiting to be called out on it.
No.4783
I don't know if it's just the specific breed of Lolcow fujos or if it's more widespread but homophobic fujos piss me the fuck off, I'm not talking about those who are bothered by gay men's misogyny or mentally ill genderspecials but the ones who have a switch flipped off the moment they see lesbian fujos and start sperging about how you must be straight if you like BL and make a really bad attempt at hiding their disgust of IRL same sex relations. Like do you really think real life homophobia won't have consequences on you consuming same sex fiction? If gay people were more socially accepted people wouldn't see you as a warped sexual deviant for enjoying your BL doujin. Homophobia is heavily intertwined with misogyny too so you're not scoring any points in that department either.
No.4785
>>4783I can buy lesbian BL fans since they're in it for different reasons just like straight BL fans are in it for their own. I'll be first to admit I like BL (in theory, in practice finding any suiting my taste is a bitch in a half) for the simple need to see two guys fuck, maybe some cute tender moments, and some angsty drama. That's about it for me. Straight women really do be hating lesbians out of schizo paranoia of them invading their precious lady holes, claiming their gay virginity or something lmao. I don't care if some lesbian thinks I'm cute. Makes my day more than anything.
No.4788
>>4783It feels like many straight fujos have a no lesbians allowed policy and you're required to say you're not a lesbian to be allowed in. Very much a rehashed "ew you're creepy, don't sit with me" thing in my opinion. Even lesbians on LC will insist you're not allowed to call yourself a lesbian if you like BL.
No.4789
>>4788I have no issues with lesbian fujos even if I'll never understand the appeal for them. As long as we can share and discuss BL and ships its all good.
Only annoyance I have is occasionally I'll see people say that BL is "lesbian romance with two men" and that rubs me the wrong way.
No.4790
>>4789I think people say that because BL romance is catered to women's sensibilities, but I agree it's pretty dumb and feels like a weird cope. Might as well say romance novels from the 90s with Fabio on the cover are a "lesbian romance" if all it takes is an unrealistic love story that irl men can't live up to. Plus when someone says that it's a 50/50 whether they're anti-fujo or pro-fujo kek.
No.4791
>>4788I don't care if lesbians are fujoshi, it's none of my business and all that but I really dislike it when people pretend or even genuinely believe that there are more lesbian and bi women who are fujoshi than straight women. It's even laughable just based on statistics. I think that a lot of people misinterpreted interviews from mangaka like "there are more lesbian mangaka who are fujoshi and draw BL than you would think at first" so they think it means "there are more lesbian mangaka who draw BL and lesbian fujoshi than straight ones."
It shouldn't apply to anyone here, I keep seeing fakeboi saying this to justify that they're part of the LGBTQ+++ BL fans so they're definitely not fetishizing gay men.
No.4792
>>4791>>4789>>4783A lot of the people who posted about SJW + trans stuff called themselves lesbians, even back in the Livejournal era. I've also seen what used to be 'feminist' or 'female-centred' erotica spaces go from 'for all kinds of women, with stuff for both gay or straight' to 'by lesbians for lesbians', while retaining the 'for women of all kinds' label.
I don't blame lesbian fujo for SJW + trans takeover of fujo spaces, and I think it sucks that lesbian fujosisters feel this way. But I can also see how it ended up this way.
That said, can we agree that trannies are the real enemy?
No.4793
>>4792>A lot of the people who posted about SJW + trans stuff called themselves lesbians, even back in the Livejournal era.I can bet you almost all of these "lesbians" are now married to men.
No.4800
>>4789Most yaoi mcs don't even register as male so I get it.
No.4803
>>4800It really depends on which BL manga you read so it's very subjective. If you read BL manga by Harada, Niyama, Akabeko, etc. and don't see the main characters as guys you have a problem. On the other hand that's one of the reasons why I couldn't get into whatever no étranger, the main characters looked like cutesy boys larping as grown men and not as actual guys. The artstyle looks really good, but not for a BL, I don't know if it's just me though given how popular the series is.
No.4804
>>4789>Only annoyance I have is occasionally I'll see people say that BL is "lesbian romance with two men" and that rubs me the wrong way.Why does it bother you so much? It's a story created by a woman for a female audience, there's bound to be some female-specific dynamics at play. Even if the author didn't mean to make it read like a lesbian romance with male characters, some people find it relatable. It doesn't mean you have to see it that way. It honestly feels like a lot of straight fujos are grossed out by the presence of lesbians and think them explaining why a m/m genre appeals to them so much in their own terms is "forcing their sexuality on them" or is threatening their heterosexuality or something.
No.4805
>>4804Yeah I think that's fair, I'm not going to lie explicit f/f works and really any het content with focus on female anatomy bothers me. So I guess comparing something I like to something I'm not a fan of does bother me. But I'm also not into BL for the porn and acknowledge there are many ways to like it that don't require jacking off or being straight. So I don't think it's disgust and really I welcome lesbian fujos since they contribute just as much to the fandom in terms of art and writing.
Personally I think it's a factor of being straight the masculinity appeals to me. I like older men, I like stubble and facial hair, I want to read stories with men being men, and while everyone from the shota, bishie, and rare female bara enjoyers should have content available for them under the broad label of "BL" for me personally I find the description of "lesbian romance with two men" to be a mischaracterization of what I enjoy about it. I guess its the blanket application if that makes sense? Some of it is, but not all.
As long as people are having fun and not preforming OOC character assassination in their fics I don't need to understand their sexuality in relation to the genre.
No.4806
>>4804NTA, but there's a saying among moids that one chick is hot but two is hotter. Straight women live under a similar motto on the grounds seeing other women threatens their fantasy. It chiefly ignores the long history of lesbian/bi shonen-ai authors who chose BL to better express grievances in the lgb sphere, escape the objectification of women, and delve into themes otherwise untapped in the wide scope of storytelling. Straight fujos can justify the sexulization part, but who isn't to say some lesbians (most of whom were slightly gnc) can't use BL to explore themselves? To better understand the inherent divergence from the norm, especially the norm that expects women of all stripes to put up with the cruelty of men, being a fujo is the most feminine aspect of a woman, no matter her age, appearance, or circumstances. Even the most regressive of women, like BL, which is crazy to know but not surprising.
As a straight woman, lesbians liking BL seemed weird at first, but once I sat down and discussed our interests together, it fell into place. in the end, aren't we sisters? Can't we all join together and talk about 2D men smooching? It's not the end of the world to speak with others outside your comfort clique.
Sorry for waxing poetic. I'm trying my best to understand new perspectives, and it never ceases to amaze me to find such a wide range of people in one spot. It goes to show that women aren't some monolith like moids claim. It's sort of beautiful.
>>4805I'll be honest, I was here for the smut before staying for the chemistry. I had a lingering desire to see two forces, one of opposing beliefs and standpoints, clash in various ways, one of them being sex. Almost every piece of M/F romance had the leads together for the obligation of it instead of accounting for deeper interpersonal histories. They're dating because they're OSAs; that's it. I'll admit again, I don't mind this, but I would love for writers to get off their asses and actually explore relationships. Don't waste time pairing off lost ends since you have to; do it because it makes sense.
>Personally I think it's a factor of being straight the masculinity appeals to meI could stomach more yuri if the women were older and more muscular. Sick to death of the same old, under-21 girly girls falling in love with no bumpy hangouts,or curses, toxicity?! Some yuri authors are women and even gay, yet choose to weave the same slop every year while everyone else gets a nice zest of diversity and complexity orange peel. Where's the SSA woman's time in the sun, huh? Probably never, as the old farts on board hate women their age, since they wise up to their bullshit ages ago.
No.4807
>>4806I'm a lesbian who used to be exclusively into lesbian media (not the school girl slop, I always had and will have a rock hard hate boner for it) before I dated a fujo and became one myself, I found the genre to be like a whole new world in exploring sexuality from a female lens. The fact that the characters are male in biology sets me free from the restraints of having to witness things like sexual assault or abuse happen to a female character and inherently be worried if it's portrayed in a romanticizing way (like plenty of otome is) or sexualized for the male gaze. I once saw someone saying that assuming a lesbian fujo must be straight because she likes BL is like saying she must be straight if she likes to use dick-shaped toys during sex and that kind of stuck with me. It's an apt way to describe how it is like, they might be male characters but they're not necessarily comparable to IRL men. Even I don't find the male characters desirable even when I think they're attractive, but I enjoy the sex scenes due to their intensity and dynamics, not because of their bodies. I love the community because it's unapologetically female and filled wind wonderful women regardless of sexuality creating an endless amount of content and long lasting friendships to have.
No.4808
>>4807That was genuinely such an interesting post to read. Thank you nona for sharing your thoughts. I'm a bi fujo and I really resonate with how you get to escape female sexualisation and especially the male gaze in BL. I myself can't stand the majority of het couples in media even though you'd expect that as a bisexual I'd rather see both genders fucking right?
I just think that it is within BL that I get to have the things I actually like the most, not because they're male (although I do like men) but because the portrayal and themes explored in BL spaces is what I like. It's a very weird thing I'm gonna say, it's probably "false" too; but something about BL characters feels most realistic to me. Obviously BL is not realistic, it's fantasy and things are exagerated for the sake of the plot (or the sex); but BL characters are the ones that so far feel like they are more likely to be their own person, which is why I get to obsess over some BL works (or the way characters are portrayed in shipping media).
There's something about really caring for characters in BL spaces that I don't see elsewhere.
I know a moid (yes cringe) who's obsessed with yanderes for example. He always send me the blandest art/trope out there, which is just such a yawn. Always some perfect woman that somehow is obsessed over the loser you are and wants to give you uncontrolled love. It's such a bore, that even if I do try to self insert into the stuff he sends me it just doesn't work on me. It's boring, those women are just… not real. They're not belieable and I can't indulge. It got me curious to look into yanderes portrayed for women, and the characters (usually men) always feel more realistic than any yandere waifu made for moids I've ever seen. I assume that since women on average are more exposed to sexual assault they get to create characters that are more realistic in this genre but even without this explanation, I just found that characters (especially problematic characters) made by women to have much more quality to them. Obviously as a woman, stuff made for women by women will hit me the most. But it's always weird how in the end, moids tend to really lack character depth in the stuff they obsess over. Frankly I don't understand how they're not bored out of their interests like that. Weird tangent sorry lol.
I want to add that there's a real sense of sisterhood among fujos that I've rarely seen elsewhere which I think is a big factor for why many women end up in the BL space, despite their sexuality.
Image unrelated but thought it was cute enough to share.
No.4809
>>4807This is a fujo imageboard, but it's difficult to find BL sharing my taste in men since my brain perceives them as women, which for many lesbians and bi women is fine. Great actually. You get all the benefits of being gay without any of the downsides. What's more win-win than that? Well, actually, good SSA media, but those are dime dozen these days (provided they aren't locked in a dick measuring contest).
>>4808>those women are just… not realMen follow ideals, not realities. To them the real world does little in satisfying their need for supernormal highs hence higher rates of pornsickness. Women are able see the world for what is and conceptualize their ideas via stories, wive tales, and even innovations. Fantasizing about CEOs and hung pretty boys are common yes, but it ignores the vast net interest women share, some of which don't even overlap. We love a wider range while honing down to something specific whereas men expect every fotm be the same big booby bimbo with the personlity of iceberg lectuce. We consider men people with own convictions yet men see women as objects, vehicles for their degenerate fantasies rather an equal, a peer. Once a woman denies his ideal, a moid would either sulk at best or kill her at worst, because his pride dare get sullied by learning the truth. The sooner men realize reality the better we heal as a society. Not holding my breath, sadly.
Unrelated, but wish pic rel was real. all of them are adorable ^^.
No.4810
>>4804I've not thought about it that way before. Usually I'd associate that kind of phrase with people using it to insult the writing of women's series and insist "women could never understand the inner workings of superior males!!" That shit annoys me to no end so I've ended up all defensive over people saying male characters don't qualify as male. I'm sure you guys have seen me go off about that four times by now.
>>4808>BL characters are the ones that so far feel like they are more likely to be their own personI know exactly what you mean. I watch a lot of LN adaptations (isekai and other) seasonally, and I'm always mentally sorting them between "writing where the characters feel like characters" and "writing where the characters feel like stand ins to fulfill a role". The latter is fairly easy to find in harem series for guys, but I've also had that feeling while reading shoujo manga or watching adaptations of LN aimed at women. I'm horribly forgiving of bad/dull series where the characters have "some heart". I think BL manga often being short character driven stories with a heavy focus on interactions and dynamics means even the worst entries have some degree of heart.
Now I'll read your next paragraph and find out I'm being redundant here. I also want to say that I do catch myself reading deeper into male MCs than other viewers seem to, so I'm sure straight guys are also fine tuned to see more in female characters than is actually presented. Orientation bias must exist.
No.4812
>>4808>There's something about really caring for characters in BL spaces that I don't see elsewhere.This is very true. I am friends with some dudes into a few shows with a lot of girls and while they have merch and like the characters of their choice, they never seem to have "fandom" thoughts about her and I know their interest in the show would evaporate if you gave it the "Rule 63 the cast. Do you still watch this?" test, whereas most fujos would still care about the gender-flipped show.
>I just found that characters (especially problematic characters) made by women to have much more quality to themWhile "more lived experience with creeps" is tragically the truth, another fact to consider is that women read more literature than men do. This directly translates into women generally being better at writing fundamentals and understanding what makes a work of fiction interesting, even if they are choosing to write tropey stuff.
>>4806>Some yuri authors are women and even gay, yet choose to weave the same slop every yearThe slop is probably paying their bills, lol.
No.4817
>>4812>The slop is probably paying their bills, lol.Sad but true. Wish it weren’t, but until capitalism keels over, what most artist hope for is not starving to death.
No.4875
Completely absolutely straight.
No.4876
I'm Bisexual I think. I IDed as straight throughout my teen years, pivoted to lesbian, IDed as lesbian for a few years, but I think I'm just Bisexual. I really don't know though, I don't relate to a lot of "Bisexual" stuff. I'm not a NEET but I act like one.
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
I found about about gay shipping at a very early age, so I'm positive it affected me. It certainly set the bar high, should I ever date. But my attraction to women is never a factor, even in American media I'm never sexually attracted to female characters (whether animated or actors) either too old, too young or not my type.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
No idea. I think straight/lesbian is more common than bisexual itself though.
No.4892
I considered myself a lesbian until a few years ago, and now I guess I would say I'm bisexual, but I don't have sex either way so it doesn't really matter. I mainly like BL because it generally feels more intimate (het regular romance is boring to me and 95% of yuri feels uncanny and generally geared towards men). Half the time I schlick to BL it's to the scenario or emotional context more than the physical sex, I like it even when I don't finding the characters attractive or desirable to me. I'm also just into some really fucked up stuff but still want the romance at the same time and only yaoi scratches the itch.
No.4910
This is beyond cliche but my new professor has a voice that makes me horny. My routine is to go home after his lectures, open up my laptop and masturbate to whatever porn I find first which I consider passable.
What I feel uncomfortable trying to process is why I do not masturbate to the professor whose voice I want to fuck and instead need to find porn. Am I being too critical or should I be worried that this sounds like a type of porn addiction?
No.4911
>>4910>What I feel uncomfortable trying to process is why I do not masturbate to the professor whose voice I want to fuck and instead need to find porn.Eh. Maybe it's porn addiction, but even if it is it doesn't sound too severe. I think it would be hard just to masturbate to someone's voice alone, unless it was an explicitly sexual voice/sexual audio drama. I.e. I think it would be hard to masturbate to someone talking in a general lecture. Like, you might find him hot and are somewhat turned on by his voice, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think for most people that would be not enough to get them 'all the way'? I know some people could do it, but I wouldn't say it's the average.
No.4935
>>4910I'm absolutely unhinged and I secretly recorded driving lessons with my instructor because I found his voice so hot. It's been 5 years and I still have the recordings saved on my phone and I listen to them sometimes. Like you I don't really masturbate to the voice itself, partly because I'm ridden by the guilt of recording his voice without consent and partly because he's just normally speaking in those recordings. In your case, I don't think it's pure porn addiction, at least not in a total pornsick way. Like the anon above me said, it's not that easy to cum to someone's normal voice.
No.5208
bisexual, and not in the hypothetical sense i've actually had relations with both sexes but i have a preference for women, i'd say the majority of bl enjoyers are likely straight women but that only really goes for casual shippers and enjoyers of bl
when it comes to actual fujos who enjoy noncon, guro, "problematic" ships and more hardcore ship dynamics etc its all bisexuals, lesbians and borderline asexual women with no interest in 3DPD in my experience, every hardcore fujo who buys figmas and buys dojinshi are either gay/bi or fully disinterested in males irl
i'd say bl has likely impacted my sexuality, i accidentally stumbled upon junjou romantica when i was 11 and ngl it awoke something in me smh, though honestly i don't really fap to yaoi even though I have a major interest in shipping and BL in general, I definitely find it hotter than het but I only really get off to het/yuri hentai lolol i don't self insert though
I think i just like how the dynamic of BL lets me enjoy soem escapism, I also really like the shame and insecurity that arises from male homosexuality since i was raised catholic lol
I like some yuri series (madohomu and anthy/utena is elite) but most actual yurishit features characters that look underage and with the most boring storylines too
even bl detractors can probably agree that the average bl is at least more fun to watch/read than the average yuri… i only really like tomboys too
No.5214
My sexuality or my understand of it seems to change to the extent that I read my own messages talking about it and completely disagree with previous self. The only thing static is BL.
No.5419
>>4791It might be that this discussion attracts those that are less likely to be straight but my irl experiences and this thread suggest that bi fujoshi are as common if not more common compared to straight fujoshi.
No.5420
>>5419I actually think the bias comes from the fact that other imageboards aimed at women like lowcow and crystal cafe attract lesbians and such the population here is made up of people already likely to browse alt female imageboards we have that bias too.
Straight btw, have a boyfriend of 4 years and absolutely no interest in women. My love of BL comes from an interest in men, but my interest in pornographic works actually decreased once I entered an IRL relationship; now I'm the person playing with dolls who likes to make the characters kiss and angst but I rarely write/engage with stuff that is solely for porn anymore.
>>5208>Actual fujos aren't straightGuess my 15 years of writing fanfiction and collecting doujinshi was a figment of my imagination.
No.5421
>>5420This. We can't keep pretending bi/lesbian larping for cool girl points isn't rampant online either. Many of these girls saying this have never even been in a real relationship before and won't be saying it in 5 years time, that's the way the internet has been forever. Just telling people you were lgbt was sometimes excepted as an excuse for being a fujo back when aidens were witchhunting them for le mlm fetishization and people still push the "most fujos are gay!" lie to continue using it as a gotcha, to victimize fujos, or for lctards, because they're bitter from fighting people who say fujos can't be lesbians. Women are mostly straight, fujos are mostly straight, don't let terminal onlineness fool you. If any of you are terminally online girls who feel insecure about their sexualities because they can't stop thinking about boys and penises and gay sex even though they say they're lesbians that's not our problem, find a different way to make yourself feel better than making outlandish sweeping generalizations like tifs and their fujo egg theory.
No.5424
>>5422
>incoherent polilez gatekeeper from redditcow.tard keeps this thread open 24/7 to seethe
? It's nice that you agree with me and all but uh, you're in the same boat as far as I'm concerned and I'll leave it at that kek. Go back.
No.5435
Not sure. I am probably devoid of sexual and romantic feelings in real life. 35 now and never had a crush or urge to fuck. I am only attracted to weird male 2D characters or the traits and roles they represent and like to ship them. I think rather like the concept of sex than sex itself. Especially if it's kind of abstract as it's the case when you explore the relationship between two fictional dudes. I don't like thinking about sex between real people either, it's 2D only for me. Dying as a lonely kissless volcel here I guess.
Sometimes almost regretting it since it's impossible to find friends past a certain age since everybody hangs out with their partner 24/7 and loses interest in friendships. But then again even if I ever found someone that accepted me the way I am it wouldn't feel right since I honestly cannot love people romantically for some reason (probably autism).
No.5437
>>5435>Sometimes almost regretting it since it's impossible to find friends past a certain age since everybody hangs out with their partner 24/7 and loses interest in friendships. But then again even if I ever found someone that accepted me the way I am it wouldn't feel right since I honestly cannot love people romantically for some reason (probably autism).I'm an opposite type of autism where I've hooked up with people only because it's convenient. I like the company and the activities that comes with hooking up but don't really care for the sex itself. My normie friends judge me for this but what I feel is mostly indifference towards the sexual activity and don't care too much about it if it lets me do the other things I want to do.
No.5440
>>5437I think it's a good way of living if you like it. The types of partnerships that I observed and liked the most were the people that are basically friends with benefits. I would probably do it if I wasn't the way I am. It's rare and people need to find the right friend for this, but when they meet it seems to work. And unlike normal partnerships their relationships weren't poisoned by jealousy and control or forced to stay together because of kids. It often depressed me witnessing cool friends (both m and f) become servants of their partner and giving up hobbies and friendships because the boyfriend or girlfriend didn't want that or needed them by their side all day.
No.5503
>>5440>I would probably do it if I wasn't the way I amAre you happy with how things are? I may not represent the average person with how I think or feel but it works for me.
No.5739
>>4620I did know someone who enjoyed yuri and was also bi but preferred men, I wonder if its the same appeal yaoi has for queer fujoshi . But from what Ive seen most male yuri fans are straight or ""transbians"" who like the uwu soft girls, meanwhile BL plays with gender a lot more so I can see that appealing more to a lesbian since a lot of yaoi character have feminine aesthetics. A lesbian fujo even told me the appeal to her was that the characters in BL remind her a lot of butch/androgynous women, and that yuri couldnt scratch that itch because most of the characters are very feminine/gender conforming.
No.5746
Functionally I'm a lesbian, there's a possibility I'm a bisexual but I only get ever excited about men in a sexual way when it's serious ryona and even then they have to be 2D.
No.5753
>>5746>serious ryonayou might literally be me. i’m technically bisexual, but my interest in men is somehow entirely /ex/-adjacent.
No.5756
>>5753Wow, what are the chances lol. Nice to know it's not just me
No.5759
I thought I was a lesbian for years, but I was really just afraid of guys being into me. Now I think that I'm some sort of fictoromantic bisexual. Really it's just the autism. Real women are beautiful no matter their age or temperament, but real men hit the wall at like 23 and they are scary. I don't think my sexuality plays a role in my fujoism. I don't get anything out of most GL as cutesy fem girls are hard for me to relate to and don't even act like the actual feminine girls I've known. I have more in common with my yaoi boys lol. I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't exist. Another part of me finds yaoi more preferable when compared to m/f romance. I don't like seeing women hurt or abused by men, but male on male violence is okay. M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not. I look at BL from a voyeuristic angle, but I put myself in the shoes of female mcs and if the female mc acts like a pathetic fool I get really angry. I think that most fujos are into men, but lesbo fujos exist because gay people like gay stories.
No.5764
>>5759kek basically all of this. I am not afraid of dudes but I don't want them to be into me. I might be lucky because they usually aren't and treat me neutrally. The rest is exactly the same for me. I didn't know the term fictoromantic yet, but that's fitting for me as well. I am only really into fictional characters (probably yeah, autism).
And yeah I sometimes relate to 2D gay characters. I don't think that this means that anybody identifies as man because manga and anime characters don't behave like real people and they certainly don't look like them. Lots of times the 2D men look more than real women actually, rather than real men, even if they aren't particularly feminized. At least in the west women are better at cosplaying bishounen than men are.
>M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not. It's the dynamics for me. Like I can imagine enjoying f/m if it was written like the homoerotic comrade relationships from fujo adjacent series. My main issue with het is that it doesn't feel natural to me. The characters are rarely ever friends and even when they are it's written like an Earthling meeting a Martian that s/he doesn't understand. The gist I get from most het romances is always "I love her because she looks fit to make babies", respectively " I love him because he can protect my future babies". It's either that or the generic macho MC/femme fatale that just wants to fuck because he's THAT awesome.
No.5765
I'm starting to wonder if I'm just in the minority of seeing yaoi guys as regular guys.
Is everyone else seriously just coping because they can't find good stuff with f/f and f/m so they pretend to like yaoi?
No.5766
>>5759>I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't existLook into GL made by BL authors, like Love Dna XX
>>5741Same, i'm also a late bloomer in regards to men, except i lean towards women so it took me a while to swallow that i'm not homosexual. Even though i was into explicit BL from a young age kek, classic teenage retardation
>>5765Same, it's a very nice treat, that's all. I see bishies as men even if they're hyperfeminine in looks and attitudes (even though women make such good bishies in RL)
No.5767
>>5765No, anyone who sees bishies as women has to have never interacted with broader anime and manga.
No.5769
>masturbate when very horny
>takes a big effort to climax once
>masturbate because I have some free time thanks to a class being cancelled
>intense orgasm that continues after I've finished touching myself while I contemplate the wonders of life and the universe in a state of bliss
My sexuality is retard.
No.6592
>>6590
Disgusted, that's adultery and I find 3DPD gay stuff gross.
No.6593
>>6590
bait.
No.6654
Most honest label: Heterosexual
The "technically correct" label: Bisexual
Joke label: Heterosexual lesbian
I love men. I love men a whole lot as a woman. I like to joke that I only like women when they're men lol. An example to explain:
I liked a coworker who is an extremely butch woman. Would date her. Oh, she's actually a transman even though he won't really state it to most people. Okay epic, I love men so much that my love turned them into a man (lol). Joking obviously, but I still kinda see him as a girl, and would date him regardless of his gender.
What this nonsense is meant to explain is that I love masculine people. I love boy like people. I love men. Huge hard on for men ♥
My longest and only relationship was with a man. I love him so much. Even though I love masculine women and find them extremely enticing, I really hope I end up with a cute man again. I really prefer dick…
So I am hetero, honestly.
I don't think my sexuality played much of a role in my being a fujoshi, because I loved BL since I was 12 and really had no attraction to anyone my own age. But I guess I've always been a boy lover. Always a crush on an older teacher. Men are just so beautiful to me, I guess it did play a role then huh? But it really only feels that way recently, after being able to have sex with a real man. I prefer beautiful men, which is more common in BL because of ukes. So I guess my repulsion to average men that most women like pushed me to yaoi, because really, where else can I find such beautiful men.
I used to draw my bf nude after sex, I really do love boyssss, and their bodies, and having sex with them, and looking at them, oh my gawd #heterosexualPride
No.6655
>>6654Heterosexual woman turns lesbian into man with the sheer power of straightness alone, when will she be stopped
In all seriousness, you kinda sound like the female equivalent of men who like women and traps who look almost exactly like women but would ultimately prefer to date women
Then again I know a lot of bi women who predominantly date/are attracted to men but still have a soft spot for butches
No.6657
>>6655That's an extremely funny way to describe me and I agree LMAO.
Maybe I would date a butch girl, but who knows, that's for the future to decide I guess!
No.6658
i'm bi but i have a very heavy preference for women. men irl rlly gross me out tbh
No.6669
lesbian
No.6676
bisexual but i never bring it up since im in a serious het relationship
No.6698
>>6676Not bringing it up because it doesn't feel relevant and then being surprised when others don't realize I am when I do mention it is the free space in my bingo chart.
No.6700
Unironically 2D only (usually men).
I already felt some strange attraction towards drawn characters when I was a young kid, but back then it came off as perverted to me so I never talked about it. The feeling got stronger when I hit puberty (with 15, late, but still) and got a new huge anime crush (yes, Frieza, don't laugh). At that time I also got my first fujo friend and she made me realize that loving a drawn character isn't as strange and crazy as I thought it was. It helped a lot.
Well now I am 30+ and STILL in love with wacky cartoon characters but I never felt any sexual attraction towards real people. In the future there will probably a term for this type of mental illness. It's probably just a low sexual drive combined with some high level delusion. It isn't just the look, it's about how fictional characters act VS how real people are and behave. I don't even mean that in a negative way, I would say that real people are just too "mundane" and hivemindy to be interesting.
No.7732
I'm a lesbian. Yaoi gave me my first examples of same-sex relationship that weren't treated as jokes. Still to this day I prefer it over yuri. I find the drama/romance to be more relatable.
No.7733
I'm probably bi but I have a sex drive so low and a repulsion for romance so high I probably fall on the asexual spectrum too.
Sexuality has always been confusing to me because of how jumbled mine is, and it pisses me off when people imply my experience and other less conventional ones (like lesbian fujos) aren't real. While I'm sure that in recent years a lot of people use flowery labels for woke points, I don't think this erases the fact that not everyone has the luck of having a clear-cut sexual orientation with few or no "but"s and "if"s