/ot/ - Off-Topic

>>4804
NTA, but there's a saying among moids that one chick is hot but two is hotter. Straight women live under a similar motto on the grounds seeing other women threatens their fantasy. It chiefly ignores the long history of lesbian/bi shonen-ai authors who chose BL to better express grievances in the lgb sphere, escape the objectification of women, and delve into themes otherwise untapped in the wide scope of storytelling. Straight fujos can justify the sexulization part, but who isn't to say some lesbians (most of whom were slightly gnc) can't use BL to explore themselves? To better understand the inherent divergence from the norm, especially the norm that expects women of all stripes to put up with the cruelty of men, being a fujo is the most feminine aspect of a woman, no matter her age, appearance, or circumstances. Even the most regressive of women, like BL, which is crazy to know but not surprising.

As a straight woman, lesbians liking BL seemed weird at first, but once I sat down and discussed our interests together, it fell into place. in the end, aren't we sisters? Can't we all join together and talk about 2D men smooching? It's not the end of the world to speak with others outside your comfort clique.

Sorry for waxing poetic. I'm trying my best to understand new perspectives, and it never ceases to amaze me to find such a wide range of people in one spot. It goes to show that women aren't some monolith like moids claim. It's sort of beautiful.
>>4805
I'll be honest, I was here for the smut before staying for the chemistry. I had a lingering desire to see two forces, one of opposing beliefs and standpoints, clash in various ways, one of them being sex. Almost every piece of M/F romance had the leads together for the obligation of it instead of accounting for deeper interpersonal histories. They're dating because they're OSAs; that's it. I'll admit again, I don't mind this, but I would love for writers to get off their asses and actually explore relationships. Don't waste time pairing off lost ends since you have to; do it because it makes sense.
>Personally I think it's a factor of being straight the masculinity appeals to me
I could stomach more yuri if the women were older and more muscular. Sick to death of the same old, under-21 girly girls falling in love with no bumpy hangouts,or curses, toxicity?! Some yuri authors are women and even gay, yet choose to weave the same slop every year while everyone else gets a nice zest of diversity and complexity orange peel. Where's the SSA woman's time in the sun, huh? Probably never, as the old farts on board hate women their age, since they wise up to their bullshit ages ago.

>>4806
I'm a lesbian who used to be exclusively into lesbian media (not the school girl slop, I always had and will have a rock hard hate boner for it) before I dated a fujo and became one myself, I found the genre to be like a whole new world in exploring sexuality from a female lens. The fact that the characters are male in biology sets me free from the restraints of having to witness things like sexual assault or abuse happen to a female character and inherently be worried if it's portrayed in a romanticizing way (like plenty of otome is) or sexualized for the male gaze. I once saw someone saying that assuming a lesbian fujo must be straight because she likes BL is like saying she must be straight if she likes to use dick-shaped toys during sex and that kind of stuck with me. It's an apt way to describe how it is like, they might be male characters but they're not necessarily comparable to IRL men. Even I don't find the male characters desirable even when I think they're attractive, but I enjoy the sex scenes due to their intensity and dynamics, not because of their bodies. I love the community because it's unapologetically female and filled wind wonderful women regardless of sexuality creating an endless amount of content and long lasting friendships to have.

>>4807
That was genuinely such an interesting post to read. Thank you nona for sharing your thoughts. I'm a bi fujo and I really resonate with how you get to escape female sexualisation and especially the male gaze in BL. I myself can't stand the majority of het couples in media even though you'd expect that as a bisexual I'd rather see both genders fucking right?
I just think that it is within BL that I get to have the things I actually like the most, not because they're male (although I do like men) but because the portrayal and themes explored in BL spaces is what I like. It's a very weird thing I'm gonna say, it's probably "false" too; but something about BL characters feels most realistic to me. Obviously BL is not realistic, it's fantasy and things are exagerated for the sake of the plot (or the sex); but BL characters are the ones that so far feel like they are more likely to be their own person, which is why I get to obsess over some BL works (or the way characters are portrayed in shipping media).
There's something about really caring for characters in BL spaces that I don't see elsewhere.

I know a moid (yes cringe) who's obsessed with yanderes for example. He always send me the blandest art/trope out there, which is just such a yawn. Always some perfect woman that somehow is obsessed over the loser you are and wants to give you uncontrolled love. It's such a bore, that even if I do try to self insert into the stuff he sends me it just doesn't work on me. It's boring, those women are just… not real. They're not belieable and I can't indulge. It got me curious to look into yanderes portrayed for women, and the characters (usually men) always feel more realistic than any yandere waifu made for moids I've ever seen. I assume that since women on average are more exposed to sexual assault they get to create characters that are more realistic in this genre but even without this explanation, I just found that characters (especially problematic characters) made by women to have much more quality to them. Obviously as a woman, stuff made for women by women will hit me the most. But it's always weird how in the end, moids tend to really lack character depth in the stuff they obsess over. Frankly I don't understand how they're not bored out of their interests like that. Weird tangent sorry lol.

I want to add that there's a real sense of sisterhood among fujos that I've rarely seen elsewhere which I think is a big factor for why many women end up in the BL space, despite their sexuality.
Image unrelated but thought it was cute enough to share.

>>4807
This is a fujo imageboard, but it's difficult to find BL sharing my taste in men since my brain perceives them as women, which for many lesbians and bi women is fine. Great actually. You get all the benefits of being gay without any of the downsides. What's more win-win than that? Well, actually, good SSA media, but those are dime dozen these days (provided they aren't locked in a dick measuring contest).
>>4808
>those women are just… not real
Men follow ideals, not realities. To them the real world does little in satisfying their need for supernormal highs hence higher rates of pornsickness. Women are able see the world for what is and conceptualize their ideas via stories, wive tales, and even innovations. Fantasizing about CEOs and hung pretty boys are common yes, but it ignores the vast net interest women share, some of which don't even overlap. We love a wider range while honing down to something specific whereas men expect every fotm be the same big booby bimbo with the personlity of iceberg lectuce. We consider men people with own convictions yet men see women as objects, vehicles for their degenerate fantasies rather an equal, a peer. Once a woman denies his ideal, a moid would either sulk at best or kill her at worst, because his pride dare get sullied by learning the truth. The sooner men realize reality the better we heal as a society. Not holding my breath, sadly.

Unrelated, but wish pic rel was real. all of them are adorable ^^.

>>4804
I've not thought about it that way before. Usually I'd associate that kind of phrase with people using it to insult the writing of women's series and insist "women could never understand the inner workings of superior males!!" That shit annoys me to no end so I've ended up all defensive over people saying male characters don't qualify as male. I'm sure you guys have seen me go off about that four times by now.

>>4808
>BL characters are the ones that so far feel like they are more likely to be their own person
I know exactly what you mean. I watch a lot of LN adaptations (isekai and other) seasonally, and I'm always mentally sorting them between "writing where the characters feel like characters" and "writing where the characters feel like stand ins to fulfill a role". The latter is fairly easy to find in harem series for guys, but I've also had that feeling while reading shoujo manga or watching adaptations of LN aimed at women. I'm horribly forgiving of bad/dull series where the characters have "some heart". I think BL manga often being short character driven stories with a heavy focus on interactions and dynamics means even the worst entries have some degree of heart.

Now I'll read your next paragraph and find out I'm being redundant here. I also want to say that I do catch myself reading deeper into male MCs than other viewers seem to, so I'm sure straight guys are also fine tuned to see more in female characters than is actually presented. Orientation bias must exist.

>>4808
>There's something about really caring for characters in BL spaces that I don't see elsewhere.
This is very true. I am friends with some dudes into a few shows with a lot of girls and while they have merch and like the characters of their choice, they never seem to have "fandom" thoughts about her and I know their interest in the show would evaporate if you gave it the "Rule 63 the cast. Do you still watch this?" test, whereas most fujos would still care about the gender-flipped show.

>I just found that characters (especially problematic characters) made by women to have much more quality to them
While "more lived experience with creeps" is tragically the truth, another fact to consider is that women read more literature than men do. This directly translates into women generally being better at writing fundamentals and understanding what makes a work of fiction interesting, even if they are choosing to write tropey stuff.

>>4806
>Some yuri authors are women and even gay, yet choose to weave the same slop every year
The slop is probably paying their bills, lol.

>>4812
>The slop is probably paying their bills, lol.
Sad but true. Wish it weren’t, but until capitalism keels over, what most artist hope for is not starving to death.

Straight woman with no desire to have sex, but do enjoy masturbating to fujo shit.
I'm also completely averse to (real) men's sexuality and their way of expressing It.
>do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
Don't really know tbh, I got absorved into It because yaoi had way more chemistry between pairings than your average straight female gaze romance.
>do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
Most of those whom I knew were straight, but this was a very long time ago, when I was way more active in fandoms, so maybe the demographics have changed a bit.

i'm bi, my types are older men and women with bigs fucking tits. At the same time, i have no desire to have sex or to be in a relationship at all. I guess that counts as being aromantic and ace but that's gay and retarded so i don't consider myself neither of that

Completely absolutely straight.

I'm Bisexual I think. I IDed as straight throughout my teen years, pivoted to lesbian, IDed as lesbian for a few years, but I think I'm just Bisexual. I really don't know though, I don't relate to a lot of "Bisexual" stuff. I'm not a NEET but I act like one.
>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
I found about about gay shipping at a very early age, so I'm positive it affected me. It certainly set the bar high, should I ever date. But my attraction to women is never a factor, even in American media I'm never sexually attracted to female characters (whether animated or actors) either too old, too young or not my type.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
No idea. I think straight/lesbian is more common than bisexual itself though.

I considered myself a lesbian until a few years ago, and now I guess I would say I'm bisexual, but I don't have sex either way so it doesn't really matter. I mainly like BL because it generally feels more intimate (het regular romance is boring to me and 95% of yuri feels uncanny and generally geared towards men). Half the time I schlick to BL it's to the scenario or emotional context more than the physical sex, I like it even when I don't finding the characters attractive or desirable to me. I'm also just into some really fucked up stuff but still want the romance at the same time and only yaoi scratches the itch.

This is beyond cliche but my new professor has a voice that makes me horny. My routine is to go home after his lectures, open up my laptop and masturbate to whatever porn I find first which I consider passable.

What I feel uncomfortable trying to process is why I do not masturbate to the professor whose voice I want to fuck and instead need to find porn. Am I being too critical or should I be worried that this sounds like a type of porn addiction?

>>4910
>What I feel uncomfortable trying to process is why I do not masturbate to the professor whose voice I want to fuck and instead need to find porn.
Eh. Maybe it's porn addiction, but even if it is it doesn't sound too severe. I think it would be hard just to masturbate to someone's voice alone, unless it was an explicitly sexual voice/sexual audio drama. I.e. I think it would be hard to masturbate to someone talking in a general lecture. Like, you might find him hot and are somewhat turned on by his voice, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think for most people that would be not enough to get them 'all the way'? I know some people could do it, but I wouldn't say it's the average.

>>4910
I'm absolutely unhinged and I secretly recorded driving lessons with my instructor because I found his voice so hot. It's been 5 years and I still have the recordings saved on my phone and I listen to them sometimes. Like you I don't really masturbate to the voice itself, partly because I'm ridden by the guilt of recording his voice without consent and partly because he's just normally speaking in those recordings. In your case, I don't think it's pure porn addiction, at least not in a total pornsick way. Like the anon above me said, it's not that easy to cum to someone's normal voice.

>>4181
I was wondering why my posts got deleted.

bisexual, and not in the hypothetical sense i've actually had relations with both sexes but i have a preference for women, i'd say the majority of bl enjoyers are likely straight women but that only really goes for casual shippers and enjoyers of bl
when it comes to actual fujos who enjoy noncon, guro, "problematic" ships and more hardcore ship dynamics etc its all bisexuals, lesbians and borderline asexual women with no interest in 3DPD in my experience, every hardcore fujo who buys figmas and buys dojinshi are either gay/bi or fully disinterested in males irl
i'd say bl has likely impacted my sexuality, i accidentally stumbled upon junjou romantica when i was 11 and ngl it awoke something in me smh, though honestly i don't really fap to yaoi even though I have a major interest in shipping and BL in general, I definitely find it hotter than het but I only really get off to het/yuri hentai lolol i don't self insert though
I think i just like how the dynamic of BL lets me enjoy soem escapism, I also really like the shame and insecurity that arises from male homosexuality since i was raised catholic lol
I like some yuri series (madohomu and anthy/utena is elite) but most actual yurishit features characters that look underage and with the most boring storylines too
even bl detractors can probably agree that the average bl is at least more fun to watch/read than the average yuri… i only really like tomboys too

My sexuality or my understand of it seems to change to the extent that I read my own messages talking about it and completely disagree with previous self. The only thing static is BL.

Bi
I only have experience with women IRL, sex with 3DPD men scares and disgusts me (probably due to being assaulted as a kid).

I discovered BL when I was 12 and it really shaped the way I viewed men sexually. Before that, I had only felt sexual desire towards women. I could have never imagined men in that sort of submissive, sexual light. It was fascinating, really opened new doors for me.

I can't fantasize about 3DPD men with me in a sexual setting, it's really distressing and revolting. BL gave me a way to digest them in fiction. I also listen to otome voiceworks pretty often.

That being said, I don't think I'll ever pursue a moid irl and will keep choosing to date women (preferably fujos).

>>4791
It might be that this discussion attracts those that are less likely to be straight but my irl experiences and this thread suggest that bi fujoshi are as common if not more common compared to straight fujoshi.

>>5419
I actually think the bias comes from the fact that other imageboards aimed at women like lowcow and crystal cafe attract lesbians and such the population here is made up of people already likely to browse alt female imageboards we have that bias too.

Straight btw, have a boyfriend of 4 years and absolutely no interest in women. My love of BL comes from an interest in men, but my interest in pornographic works actually decreased once I entered an IRL relationship; now I'm the person playing with dolls who likes to make the characters kiss and angst but I rarely write/engage with stuff that is solely for porn anymore.

>>5208
>Actual fujos aren't straight
Guess my 15 years of writing fanfiction and collecting doujinshi was a figment of my imagination.

>>5420
This. We can't keep pretending bi/lesbian larping for cool girl points isn't rampant online either. Many of these girls saying this have never even been in a real relationship before and won't be saying it in 5 years time, that's the way the internet has been forever. Just telling people you were lgbt was sometimes excepted as an excuse for being a fujo back when aidens were witchhunting them for le mlm fetishization and people still push the "most fujos are gay!" lie to continue using it as a gotcha, to victimize fujos, or for lctards, because they're bitter from fighting people who say fujos can't be lesbians. Women are mostly straight, fujos are mostly straight, don't let terminal onlineness fool you. If any of you are terminally online girls who feel insecure about their sexualities because they can't stop thinking about boys and penises and gay sex even though they say they're lesbians that's not our problem, find a different way to make yourself feel better than making outlandish sweeping generalizations like tifs and their fujo egg theory.

>>5422
>incoherent polilez gatekeeper from redditcow.tard keeps this thread open 24/7 to seethe
? It's nice that you agree with me and all but uh, you're in the same boat as far as I'm concerned and I'll leave it at that kek. Go back.

Not sure. I am probably devoid of sexual and romantic feelings in real life. 35 now and never had a crush or urge to fuck. I am only attracted to weird male 2D characters or the traits and roles they represent and like to ship them. I think rather like the concept of sex than sex itself. Especially if it's kind of abstract as it's the case when you explore the relationship between two fictional dudes. I don't like thinking about sex between real people either, it's 2D only for me. Dying as a lonely kissless volcel here I guess.

Sometimes almost regretting it since it's impossible to find friends past a certain age since everybody hangs out with their partner 24/7 and loses interest in friendships. But then again even if I ever found someone that accepted me the way I am it wouldn't feel right since I honestly cannot love people romantically for some reason (probably autism).

>>5435
>Sometimes almost regretting it since it's impossible to find friends past a certain age since everybody hangs out with their partner 24/7 and loses interest in friendships. But then again even if I ever found someone that accepted me the way I am it wouldn't feel right since I honestly cannot love people romantically for some reason (probably autism).
I'm an opposite type of autism where I've hooked up with people only because it's convenient. I like the company and the activities that comes with hooking up but don't really care for the sex itself. My normie friends judge me for this but what I feel is mostly indifference towards the sexual activity and don't care too much about it if it lets me do the other things I want to do.

>>5437
I think it's a good way of living if you like it. The types of partnerships that I observed and liked the most were the people that are basically friends with benefits. I would probably do it if I wasn't the way I am. It's rare and people need to find the right friend for this, but when they meet it seems to work. And unlike normal partnerships their relationships weren't poisoned by jealousy and control or forced to stay together because of kids. It often depressed me witnessing cool friends (both m and f) become servants of their partner and giving up hobbies and friendships because the boyfriend or girlfriend didn't want that or needed them by their side all day.

>>5440
>I would probably do it if I wasn't the way I am
Are you happy with how things are? I may not represent the average person with how I think or feel but it works for me.

>>4620
I did know someone who enjoyed yuri and was also bi but preferred men, I wonder if its the same appeal yaoi has for queer fujoshi . But from what Ive seen most male yuri fans are straight or ""transbians"" who like the uwu soft girls, meanwhile BL plays with gender a lot more so I can see that appealing more to a lesbian since a lot of yaoi character have feminine aesthetics. A lesbian fujo even told me the appeal to her was that the characters in BL remind her a lot of butch/androgynous women, and that yuri couldnt scratch that itch because most of the characters are very feminine/gender conforming.

>>5739
I forgot to mention it was a guy kek.

I'm straight for the most part. Kinsey 2 on a good day so I don't see the point in calling myself bisexual. I used to ID as a lesbian when I was a teenager though since I was exposed to tumblr's retarded theories of sexuality at a young age which further confused me when I was already a late bloomer who didn't experience attraction to men until later. It should have been obvious when I was interacting with pornographic BL since I was twelve but puberty is messy and the moral judgements being passed based on sexual orientation in the fandom spaces i grew up in didn't help.

Functionally I'm a lesbian, there's a possibility I'm a bisexual but I only get ever excited about men in a sexual way when it's serious ryona and even then they have to be 2D.

>>5746
>serious ryona
you might literally be me. i’m technically bisexual, but my interest in men is somehow entirely /ex/-adjacent.

>>5753
Wow, what are the chances lol. Nice to know it's not just me

I thought I was a lesbian for years, but I was really just afraid of guys being into me. Now I think that I'm some sort of fictoromantic bisexual. Really it's just the autism. Real women are beautiful no matter their age or temperament, but real men hit the wall at like 23 and they are scary. I don't think my sexuality plays a role in my fujoism. I don't get anything out of most GL as cutesy fem girls are hard for me to relate to and don't even act like the actual feminine girls I've known. I have more in common with my yaoi boys lol. I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't exist. Another part of me finds yaoi more preferable when compared to m/f romance. I don't like seeing women hurt or abused by men, but male on male violence is okay. M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not. I look at BL from a voyeuristic angle, but I put myself in the shoes of female mcs and if the female mc acts like a pathetic fool I get really angry. I think that most fujos are into men, but lesbo fujos exist because gay people like gay stories.

>>5759
kek basically all of this. I am not afraid of dudes but I don't want them to be into me. I might be lucky because they usually aren't and treat me neutrally. The rest is exactly the same for me. I didn't know the term fictoromantic yet, but that's fitting for me as well. I am only really into fictional characters (probably yeah, autism).
And yeah I sometimes relate to 2D gay characters. I don't think that this means that anybody identifies as man because manga and anime characters don't behave like real people and they certainly don't look like them. Lots of times the 2D men look more than real women actually, rather than real men, even if they aren't particularly feminized. At least in the west women are better at cosplaying bishounen than men are.
>M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not.
It's the dynamics for me. Like I can imagine enjoying f/m if it was written like the homoerotic comrade relationships from fujo adjacent series. My main issue with het is that it doesn't feel natural to me. The characters are rarely ever friends and even when they are it's written like an Earthling meeting a Martian that s/he doesn't understand. The gist I get from most het romances is always "I love her because she looks fit to make babies", respectively " I love him because he can protect my future babies". It's either that or the generic macho MC/femme fatale that just wants to fuck because he's THAT awesome.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm just in the minority of seeing yaoi guys as regular guys.
Is everyone else seriously just coping because they can't find good stuff with f/f and f/m so they pretend to like yaoi?

>>5759
>I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't exist
Look into GL made by BL authors, like Love Dna XX
>>5741
Same, i'm also a late bloomer in regards to men, except i lean towards women so it took me a while to swallow that i'm not homosexual. Even though i was into explicit BL from a young age kek, classic teenage retardation
>>5765
Same, it's a very nice treat, that's all. I see bishies as men even if they're hyperfeminine in looks and attitudes (even though women make such good bishies in RL)

>>5765
No, anyone who sees bishies as women has to have never interacted with broader anime and manga.

>>5765
I'm straight, I like men, and I hate when people call yaoi "lesbians" with two men. The is BL written by women that I like, I don't think its incompatible, but I hate when people try to pretend that the main consumers of explicit stories focused around male characters aren't straight women.

>masturbate when very horny
>takes a big effort to climax once
>masturbate because I have some free time thanks to a class being cancelled
>intense orgasm that continues after I've finished touching myself while I contemplate the wonders of life and the universe in a state of bliss
My sexuality is retard.

>>6590
Disgusted, that's adultery and I find 3DPD gay stuff gross.

>>6590
bait.

Most honest label: Heterosexual
The "technically correct" label: Bisexual
Joke label: Heterosexual lesbian

I love men. I love men a whole lot as a woman. I like to joke that I only like women when they're men lol. An example to explain:

I liked a coworker who is an extremely butch woman. Would date her. Oh, she's actually a transman even though he won't really state it to most people. Okay epic, I love men so much that my love turned them into a man (lol). Joking obviously, but I still kinda see him as a girl, and would date him regardless of his gender.

What this nonsense is meant to explain is that I love masculine people. I love boy like people. I love men. Huge hard on for men ♥


My longest and only relationship was with a man. I love him so much. Even though I love masculine women and find them extremely enticing, I really hope I end up with a cute man again. I really prefer dick…
So I am hetero, honestly.

I don't think my sexuality played much of a role in my being a fujoshi, because I loved BL since I was 12 and really had no attraction to anyone my own age. But I guess I've always been a boy lover. Always a crush on an older teacher. Men are just so beautiful to me, I guess it did play a role then huh? But it really only feels that way recently, after being able to have sex with a real man. I prefer beautiful men, which is more common in BL because of ukes. So I guess my repulsion to average men that most women like pushed me to yaoi, because really, where else can I find such beautiful men.

I used to draw my bf nude after sex, I really do love boyssss, and their bodies, and having sex with them, and looking at them, oh my gawd #heterosexualPride

>>6654
Heterosexual woman turns lesbian into man with the sheer power of straightness alone, when will she be stopped
In all seriousness, you kinda sound like the female equivalent of men who like women and traps who look almost exactly like women but would ultimately prefer to date women
Then again I know a lot of bi women who predominantly date/are attracted to men but still have a soft spot for butches

>>6655
That's an extremely funny way to describe me and I agree LMAO.

Maybe I would date a butch girl, but who knows, that's for the future to decide I guess!

i'm bi but i have a very heavy preference for women. men irl rlly gross me out tbh

lesbian

bisexual but i never bring it up since im in a serious het relationship

>>6676
Not bringing it up because it doesn't feel relevant and then being surprised when others don't realize I am when I do mention it is the free space in my bingo chart.

Unironically 2D only (usually men).

I already felt some strange attraction towards drawn characters when I was a young kid, but back then it came off as perverted to me so I never talked about it. The feeling got stronger when I hit puberty (with 15, late, but still) and got a new huge anime crush (yes, Frieza, don't laugh). At that time I also got my first fujo friend and she made me realize that loving a drawn character isn't as strange and crazy as I thought it was. It helped a lot.

Well now I am 30+ and STILL in love with wacky cartoon characters but I never felt any sexual attraction towards real people. In the future there will probably a term for this type of mental illness. It's probably just a low sexual drive combined with some high level delusion. It isn't just the look, it's about how fictional characters act VS how real people are and behave. I don't even mean that in a negative way, I would say that real people are just too "mundane" and hivemindy to be interesting.