/ot/ - Off-Topic

I'm straight for the most part. Kinsey 2 on a good day so I don't see the point in calling myself bisexual. I used to ID as a lesbian when I was a teenager though since I was exposed to tumblr's retarded theories of sexuality at a young age which further confused me when I was already a late bloomer who didn't experience attraction to men until later. It should have been obvious when I was interacting with pornographic BL since I was twelve but puberty is messy and the moral judgements being passed based on sexual orientation in the fandom spaces i grew up in didn't help.

Functionally I'm a lesbian, there's a possibility I'm a bisexual but I only get ever excited about men in a sexual way when it's serious ryona and even then they have to be 2D.

>>5746
>serious ryona
you might literally be me. i’m technically bisexual, but my interest in men is somehow entirely /ex/-adjacent.

>>5753
Wow, what are the chances lol. Nice to know it's not just me

I thought I was a lesbian for years, but I was really just afraid of guys being into me. Now I think that I'm some sort of fictoromantic bisexual. Really it's just the autism. Real women are beautiful no matter their age or temperament, but real men hit the wall at like 23 and they are scary. I don't think my sexuality plays a role in my fujoism. I don't get anything out of most GL as cutesy fem girls are hard for me to relate to and don't even act like the actual feminine girls I've known. I have more in common with my yaoi boys lol. I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't exist. Another part of me finds yaoi more preferable when compared to m/f romance. I don't like seeing women hurt or abused by men, but male on male violence is okay. M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not. I look at BL from a voyeuristic angle, but I put myself in the shoes of female mcs and if the female mc acts like a pathetic fool I get really angry. I think that most fujos are into men, but lesbo fujos exist because gay people like gay stories.

>>5759
kek basically all of this. I am not afraid of dudes but I don't want them to be into me. I might be lucky because they usually aren't and treat me neutrally. The rest is exactly the same for me. I didn't know the term fictoromantic yet, but that's fitting for me as well. I am only really into fictional characters (probably yeah, autism).
And yeah I sometimes relate to 2D gay characters. I don't think that this means that anybody identifies as man because manga and anime characters don't behave like real people and they certainly don't look like them. Lots of times the 2D men look more than real women actually, rather than real men, even if they aren't particularly feminized. At least in the west women are better at cosplaying bishounen than men are.
>M/m parings are equals in ways that m/f parings are not.
It's the dynamics for me. Like I can imagine enjoying f/m if it was written like the homoerotic comrade relationships from fujo adjacent series. My main issue with het is that it doesn't feel natural to me. The characters are rarely ever friends and even when they are it's written like an Earthling meeting a Martian that s/he doesn't understand. The gist I get from most het romances is always "I love her because she looks fit to make babies", respectively " I love him because he can protect my future babies". It's either that or the generic macho MC/femme fatale that just wants to fuck because he's THAT awesome.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm just in the minority of seeing yaoi guys as regular guys.
Is everyone else seriously just coping because they can't find good stuff with f/f and f/m so they pretend to like yaoi?

>>5759
>I frequently lament that lesbian yaoi doesn't exist
Look into GL made by BL authors, like Love Dna XX
>>5741
Same, i'm also a late bloomer in regards to men, except i lean towards women so it took me a while to swallow that i'm not homosexual. Even though i was into explicit BL from a young age kek, classic teenage retardation
>>5765
Same, it's a very nice treat, that's all. I see bishies as men even if they're hyperfeminine in looks and attitudes (even though women make such good bishies in RL)

>>5765
No, anyone who sees bishies as women has to have never interacted with broader anime and manga.

>>5765
I'm straight, I like men, and I hate when people call yaoi "lesbians" with two men. The is BL written by women that I like, I don't think its incompatible, but I hate when people try to pretend that the main consumers of explicit stories focused around male characters aren't straight women.

>masturbate when very horny
>takes a big effort to climax once
>masturbate because I have some free time thanks to a class being cancelled
>intense orgasm that continues after I've finished touching myself while I contemplate the wonders of life and the universe in a state of bliss
My sexuality is retard.

>>6590
Disgusted, that's adultery and I find 3DPD gay stuff gross.

>>6590
bait.

Most honest label: Heterosexual
The "technically correct" label: Bisexual
Joke label: Heterosexual lesbian

I love men. I love men a whole lot as a woman. I like to joke that I only like women when they're men lol. An example to explain:

I liked a coworker who is an extremely butch woman. Would date her. Oh, she's actually a transman even though he won't really state it to most people. Okay epic, I love men so much that my love turned them into a man (lol). Joking obviously, but I still kinda see him as a girl, and would date him regardless of his gender.

What this nonsense is meant to explain is that I love masculine people. I love boy like people. I love men. Huge hard on for men ♥


My longest and only relationship was with a man. I love him so much. Even though I love masculine women and find them extremely enticing, I really hope I end up with a cute man again. I really prefer dick…
So I am hetero, honestly.

I don't think my sexuality played much of a role in my being a fujoshi, because I loved BL since I was 12 and really had no attraction to anyone my own age. But I guess I've always been a boy lover. Always a crush on an older teacher. Men are just so beautiful to me, I guess it did play a role then huh? But it really only feels that way recently, after being able to have sex with a real man. I prefer beautiful men, which is more common in BL because of ukes. So I guess my repulsion to average men that most women like pushed me to yaoi, because really, where else can I find such beautiful men.

I used to draw my bf nude after sex, I really do love boyssss, and their bodies, and having sex with them, and looking at them, oh my gawd #heterosexualPride

>>6654
Heterosexual woman turns lesbian into man with the sheer power of straightness alone, when will she be stopped
In all seriousness, you kinda sound like the female equivalent of men who like women and traps who look almost exactly like women but would ultimately prefer to date women
Then again I know a lot of bi women who predominantly date/are attracted to men but still have a soft spot for butches

>>6655
That's an extremely funny way to describe me and I agree LMAO.

Maybe I would date a butch girl, but who knows, that's for the future to decide I guess!

i'm bi but i have a very heavy preference for women. men irl rlly gross me out tbh

lesbian

bisexual but i never bring it up since im in a serious het relationship

>>6676
Not bringing it up because it doesn't feel relevant and then being surprised when others don't realize I am when I do mention it is the free space in my bingo chart.

Unironically 2D only (usually men).

I already felt some strange attraction towards drawn characters when I was a young kid, but back then it came off as perverted to me so I never talked about it. The feeling got stronger when I hit puberty (with 15, late, but still) and got a new huge anime crush (yes, Frieza, don't laugh). At that time I also got my first fujo friend and she made me realize that loving a drawn character isn't as strange and crazy as I thought it was. It helped a lot.

Well now I am 30+ and STILL in love with wacky cartoon characters but I never felt any sexual attraction towards real people. In the future there will probably a term for this type of mental illness. It's probably just a low sexual drive combined with some high level delusion. It isn't just the look, it's about how fictional characters act VS how real people are and behave. I don't even mean that in a negative way, I would say that real people are just too "mundane" and hivemindy to be interesting.

I'm a lesbian. Yaoi gave me my first examples of same-sex relationship that weren't treated as jokes. Still to this day I prefer it over yuri. I find the drama/romance to be more relatable.

I'm probably bi but I have a sex drive so low and a repulsion for romance so high I probably fall on the asexual spectrum too.
Sexuality has always been confusing to me because of how jumbled mine is, and it pisses me off when people imply my experience and other less conventional ones (like lesbian fujos) aren't real. While I'm sure that in recent years a lot of people use flowery labels for woke points, I don't think this erases the fact that not everyone has the luck of having a clear-cut sexual orientation with few or no "but"s and "if"s

Bumping this thread because of the convo in confessions. I am bisexual and can't help but notice the prevalence of bisexual women in fujo spaces. Does anyone feel like their yaoi hobby starting at a young age intersected with SSA in a way? Besides the common fantasy of making out with a girl while cosplaying your OTP, I think having such a feminine hobby as a whole made my interest in women stronger than it would be otherwise. Even some of my taste in women, outside of being attracted to nerdy girls (I think fanfic has lead me to becoming hot and bothered by eloquent, artistic women kek) I feel like the feminine qualities of characters in manga sort of helped outline the way I lean in a sense? Does anyone understand or relate to what I'm talking about?

>>13206
Maybe it's just that bi girls and women are more likely to say they're bi to their fellow fujo friends because it feels safer than bi women who are into knitting or hiking telling their knitting or hiking friends they're bi? Since fujoshi read gay books they must believe there will be less discrimination? But I'm straight so I can't speak for myself, I'm saying this based on what I've seen.

>>13206
>I think fanfic has lead me to becoming hot and bothered by eloquent, artistic women kek
There's a type of longing that I can't quite explain when it feels like your entire body craves her words. Sometimes her smut can do more than any sexual act would.

I'm straight but lie and claim to be bi on social media because straights are often hit with invalid opinions.

A BNF in my fandom said something against popular opinion and got blasted by everyone with "he's a straight cis man so-" despite what he said having nothing to do with sexuality.

>>13206
I am bisexual but I wasn't into BL when I was younger other than a few (western) webcomics like Honeydew Syndrome, so I can't relate to this kek. Tbh, I have a very very warped sense of sexuality where for the longest time I couldn't bear to read GL because, I don't know, maybe it feels unattainable in real life due to circumstances but who knows. BL is easier for me to get into because I can separate all of those anxieties about my personal sexuality and I don't associate any of it with actual gay men and if I really want to watch real gay men stories written by men, I would watch some tragic gay movie (of which there is an abundance across the globe lol)

>>13206
>Does anyone feel like their yaoi hobby starting at a young age intersected with SSA in a way?
It's kinda weird for me because I've always been into BL and GL but I didn't start questioning my sexuality until I started using Tumblr 24/7 for Klance. I'm pretty sure this questioning was largely spurred on by everyone there being some sort of queer and shitting on straight people lel but I am genuinely attracted to women in a way that can't be spun into a "finding girls pretty/hot like a straight woman would" sense. It's retarded but I do wonder if I had never touched Tumblr that I'd end up straight.

>>13206
>prevalence of bisexual women in fujo spaces
I feel like half of the bis in fujo spaces can be explained by >>13215 and younger fans not wanting to be an icky straightoid. You can't prove somebody isn't bi when they are in a m/f relationship or when they mostly draw yaoi, so it's a nice little ward against one of the more common ad hominems in fandom spaces. Like tinted windows on your car.

I personally can get turned on by 2D and 3D female bodies but have never thought about being in a serious relationship with another woman. It's #problematic I guess but the heart and pussy do not lie.

>>13221
I agree with this take. I think a lot of fans use it as subterfuge as not to get criticized in the mainly western and maybe the Filipina (which is very Americanized) discourse.

I don't think that it's #problematic to not want to be in a serious relationship with a woman even if you are physically attracted to them. I don't think it's that unusual or weird unless you think across the board that lesbian/bi-women shouldn't be in relationships with other women lol.

>>13221
A lot of the women in fandom who constantly talk about being gay or bi or having gay thoughts around women tend to be very stereotypically straight (not that there's anything wrong with it at all) ime. Like YESS MUSCLE MOMMY STEP ON ME then back to daddy dom stuff.

I'm bi but only like the concept of men. irl men mostly creep me out in behavior or appearance. women on the other hand are way better on that aspect, but find myself frustrated with how women are depicted in media compared to how interesting/diverse women can be irl.

I think I like men more in theory, but irl I rarely ever feel any attraction to anyone. I'm not immune to masc lesbians thirst traps online but I feel like I'm too ugly to date a woman. Or frankly, I feel like I'm simultaneously too ugly with standards too high for what I look like to have an actual sexuality, if that makes sense. I don't think I'll ever find anyone I want to date either, even though the thought of having a fujo as a "life partner" (whether platonically or something else) sounds so nice…

It's difficult to be fully honest about what you're sexually attracted to when you're not horny. We should be asked to post our opinions on this before and after five minutes on a sybian.

>>13260
Is it normal just to get horny reading or writing something? I wrote smut while high, got horny, took a break, starting writing it again sober, and got horny again which just confirmed I liked what I was writing.

>>13261
Isn't it normal to be horny about the smut you write? Like maybe not the entire time you are writing because you need to actually work on the writing lol but the idea at least has to be in some way sexy to you, no?

Bisexual here. I get off to both het, GL and BL media.
I discovered BL when I was a pre-teen, driven to see more of cool male characters, a fascination and curiosity about the opposite sex, the presentation of something considered taboo and hornines, lol. BL was more appealing to me for m/m being more taboo than f/f, less boring and I didn't like or identify as much with female characters for me being too much of a tomboy at the time. My taste for BL has always been the "guys being guys" type, I hate effeminate men and never liked it when there is some degree of heteronormativity presented. However, there was also the factor of very low self-steem and insecurity about my body, so like some other fujos, I also had this way of interacting with BL as a form of escapism from shitty portrayals of woman, het relationships/porn and avoid comparing myself to other women, even fictional ones. I remember that around that time until the end of my adolescence I told myself I was a lesbian to cope with the thought that it was impossible to me be desirable by a man.

Things changed when I had my boyfriend and I gained more confidence. My consumption of BL has decreased considerably, and when it's not to fujo out over my favorite ships, I do consume due to the pornographic factor. To see pretty men ecstatic with pleasure, moaning and making facial expressions like needy whores. These elements are unfortunately so rare in 2D hetero media. I hate with all my might being so common men doing women while having stoic expressions, when they don't show men's face or when men are reduced to a mere masculine idea, a mannequin. I get that it's for the heterosexual male audiente and they don't give a damn about anything aside for the woman but c'mon, it's so booooring. I wanna see both parts having a massive good time and really expressing intense desire for eachother. Femdom content exists and I'm defintely a fan, but I don't like it when things get tooooo extreme.

>Do you consider your sexuality as playing a role in you being a fujoshi?
Since childhood the idea of two people being romantically and sexually involved regardless of gender felt very natural to me, I tought it was common sense and never have been educated about it, then I guess so, lol.
>Do you think fujoshis are mostly straight women?
Kinda? I've met many other fujos who simply didn't express their heterosexuality due to self-confidence issues or troubled past experiences with men. Queer people are a minority, but women tend to be less opposed to exploring their own sexuality, with some discovering their bisexuality more frequently and easily than men.

Asexual. I think my sexuality plays a part in being a fujoshi because anything too realistic isn't interesting to me. I also care more about unconventional relationships and I feel like those are explored in bl.

>>13375
>Asexual
Yeah I'm making that pamphlet

My libido is spiking and I can't stop myself oversharing in DMs. Rereading messages sent the night before is not a punishment I would wish on my worst enemy.

Being a lesbian fujo is honestly suffering because most people won't think you're even real but also because your straight bestie will create entire worlds with you doing collaborative fujo projects with big emotions and stories between your characters and you're fighting every day not to catch feelings for her yet always have to watch her drop everything for her Nigel whom she loves, you will always just be a platonic friend and never her priority despite sharing all of this intense creative energy with her. I feel like I should give our project up for my mental health's sake but on the other hand I don't want to throw away a relationship I've had for many years just because I can't control my brain chemistry.

>>13482
>most people won't think you're even real
most people don't think lesbians in general are real nona, fujo or not, so don't let it get to you

>straight bestie
This only works if she's really ugly or something, or maybe not ugly but either way you're not attracted to her at all, which clearly isn't your case. Sounds like you need to drop that friendship, cause it's not going to get any better, you're only going to feel more exhausted with time, but also more hesitant to end it because of all the effort put into it. From personal experience I recommend telling her how you feel, accepting the rejection, feeling intense pain at it and then later relief, because rejection will make both of you understand whether u can overcome these feelings and continue being friends or not, and either way it'll be fine

>>13485
No offense but that seems like terrible fucking advice.

>>13486
Intense crushes on long-time friends don't just go away on their own

>>13485
>>13488
I don't have an "intense crush", it's more of a melancholic feeling about how I will never meet anyone like her but one who would also love and prioritize me because sexuality is immutable and it's really nobody's fault, just something that is a fact. And interacting with her is reminding me of that every day. We're in the middle of planning a story arc and she logs off because she's going to go hang out with her boyfriend. We're talking about the character scenario and she suddenly says something that reminds me of how I don't really matter to her that much besides being a friend. She might take a break from our project because it's just not that much of a priority to her in comparison to her relationship and other things in her life, while for me it's a very meaningful connection between us. It makes me feel lonely.

>>13489
How does her being straight relate to her prioritizing her relationship over her platonic friendship? If you had a girlfriend, would you treat her as secondary to your relationship with your bestie?
>I will never meet anyone like her but one who would also love and prioritize me
Yes, because you're the only lonely lesbian on this planet. Come on nona, there are plenty of hot girls around, obsessing over a straight best friend won't help you meet them though

>>13488
They do but they return the moment that friend enters into a new relationship and you're forcefully reminded that they're unavailable to you.

>>13378
What

>>13838
Whatever they meant by this I wanted to see that pamphlet.