/ot/ - Off-Topic

>>3793
Use livejournal, or if you're worried about places it'll be deleted just pay for a cheap $5 or so server to host a website with all the info plus a discussion board.

>>3793
godspeed nona, livejournal will work fine

>>3795
Thank you very much anon, that's perfect! I was able to fully save #5 since I had it open in my browser, but dumbly deleted my cache before seeing the mod post. Instead of showing me a ban on CC it just kept saying 'captcha verification error' and I didn't realize that meant I was banned, thought clearing cache would help. Going to start saving everything on an external HD (already started), real tired of having to tell curious onlookers that all we have is our word because deletions.

If any of the former mods are around, there was something I wanted to verify:
>who first made the connection between burrito/cerbmin/ashley?
I know someone has said the 3c admins said something, but is there any more information on that? Were any of you told this by someone (or directly by 3c admin), or are you all in the same boat as the other anons here, lead to believe it is plausible due to the amount of 'coincidences', reactions and connected dots?

I don't plan to focus on this point because to me everything that has happened the past bit has been much more damning than any rumor. I onlu want to be able to cover this area so I can fully distinguish the current happenings from the claims of schizo spam drama.

>>3796
Yeah, I've considered the latter as I have some experience with website design/coding and an offshore BBS board or chan is very easy to set up. Sadly I'm not sure I have the time to deal with it if someone decides to DDoS. I'm more or less hopeful LJ would be 'safer' on that front.

I haven't used LJ for literally like 10 years. Give me a second and I'll make one as a hold-over and post it here for everyone.

Ashley immediately showed up to wk herself in her kf thread when I asked about her. Also apologies fujosisters for the invasion.

I know this has to be the least important thing ever, but any input/care on community name?
I'm not super creative.
>dairydrama
>factfarm
>trulymilk
>farminglies
>milkmyths
>farmytruths
>commoncow
>uddertruth
>uncensoredmilk
>rawdairy

>>3800
+1 For uddertruth or something incorporating unpasteurized kek

>>3800
I like uddertruth and trulymilk. They role off the tongue nicely

>>3800
maybe
>unpasteurized milk
?

>>3801
Alright, unpasteurized schizos it is! (I joke).

>>3801
>>3802
>>3803
General consensus towards 'uddertruth' for the community name and 'unpasteurized milk' for the community title?

I'm going to give this 30 minutes more from the time of this post before creating, but if anyone wants me to wait longer for more input opportunities let me know. (going with the short wait span because I'm assuming this isn't super important to anyone?)

Ashley was sperging in her onion farms thread under a new sock (axdes) just a little bit ago, even quoting posts directly from Crystal Cafe kek

>>3798
Someone named dropped her directly not just in a recent thread but even as far back as January in meta. It made people look into it more

>>3806
You mean when Hex name dropped Ashley randomly on meta and said she was a farmhand with zero proof? The time Hex posted alongside Blaine and Elaine to make up grooming rumors? Yeah that sounds like m.o of chronic dramafags. These messages from February with the admin/nyang/ami are illuminating. It's funny that boardowner never clarified if a moid did infiltrate, and if all her devices were really hacked. How embarrassing for them. The only thing I can appreciate is that they're not actually trying to dox me, because the information is so bad and off the mark. Not that they didn't obsess over deducing my true race and ethnicity for months beforehand, and tried spreading rumors that I was a tranny on cc bunker threads.

https://envs.sh/2c5.png

Alright, sorry for the delay, here's the bunker LJ:
>https://uddertruth.livejournal.com/

Please consider creating a new LJ with a throwaway e-mail if you're going to join, to avoid our doxx friendly schizo from identifying anything personal about you.

If someone would kindly post this to the CC thread as well, that'd be great.

I'm a little sus about modding help for the community because, well, obviously infiltrating it would be right up our lil schizo's alley… but if anyone wants to discuss it or would be interested, please feel free. Discussion or suggestions on how to avoid issues with accepting mods would be cool too, if they even end up being needed.

I've got a work deadline to meet for tonight, but I'll check every hour or so to accept community member applications. I'll also try to spruce it up a bit when I've got more time. Any suggestions welcome - would prefer this all continuing as a group effort and will try to make any choices involving the LJ as neutral as possible, lol.

>>3807
If I'm reading this image correctly, Ami is literally saying everything you just claimed is illuminating is not true? Did you just… dismantle your own argument with your 'proof'…?

Why exactly are you following this from board to board to argue anons if it's just a silly, super off mark rumor, again? Aren't you supposed to be *checks list* spending time with your friends and family? I'm surprised you aren't disappointed in yourself for doing this thankless self-WK job.

>>3807
1. I never named dropped Ashley in /meta/. I never came up with the idea she was cerbmin, nor did I believe it when I heard about it. I don’t know what to believe and I don’t really care that’s why I am not contributing.
2. I don’t even know what you mean by grooming allegations I have never spoken to Blaine. I don’t even know what grooming allegations have been spoken about regarding this.

I don’t know who you are or am going to assume who you are, but I did not do that.

>>3807
Oh and,
3. I have never said I was a farmhand. I have never been one. The only things I’ve know about is the Christmas shitshow; I don’t know anything past that.

>>3810
>>3811
oh wow, that hex character who ashley namedropped before actually showed up. this marks the fourth person ashley has tried to pin this on who has come in to call her out on her lies kek. would you mind giving us some proof of your identity as the others did? most of us are unfamiliar with you. aside from ashley, who is most likely the anon you're replying to.

to the lj summary anon, this would be good to add.

>>3812
Can anyone clarify who Hex is/where they come into things, outside of Ashley's schizo obsession with them? Ie. were they a former LCF discord member, user of some other forum, staff of another LB, etc?

>>3812
>>3813
I really have little to none involvement in this. I posted the nenetl site on crystalcafe in December after the site shit itself, and I haven’t heard the end of it from this bitch since. This person does nothing but complain about how I fail doxxed her because the person on the site she was pretending to be isn’t actually her and thinks we’re out to doxx her. I just noticed the admin personas having similar personalities and suggested they were probably the same person. I don’t have 100% confirmation on who this person is but I would think that burritomin = oldmin = shaymin.

Here’s a pic of her badgering me after I posted her site. I don’t plan to contribute more because I honestly don’t know much past the incidents I know. However I have always been pretty open about correcting things said. So if that happens I’ll try to contribute but I don’t really think there’s anymore that needs to be said. You can go back through the older threads and see other posts. I don’t want to make any accusations but I can see why anons think Ashley could be the admin. There just isn’t really any definitive proof.

I modded the discord back in 2020 and got close to her but never really had any site involvement. She’d just vent to me about how she didn’t have a successor to the site and how she wanted to give it up and proceeded to never do that. In the choachan cafe downfall thread on /ot/ I posted a montage of different screenshots to try and give a rundown on why I thought they were the same person.

Sorry for the ramble!!

https://discord.com/channels/1068933870663241779/1068933872177401948/1150260646923993158

>>3815
Sorry, wrong link
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068933872177401948/1150260646672343161/IMG_2920.png

>>3807
so cerbmin just -happens- to finally post in /meta/ within the same hour as this post? after being radio silent up until? I can see why it seems schizo to point that out, but how many coincidences can we have…

>>3815
I appreciate you clarifying/giving this information! As someone who hasn't fully followed the /ot/ thread, could you kindly confirm if I've understood correctly:
>You used to mod the LCF discord(?) in 2020
>You got close with burritomin but never had any site involvement with LCF
>After you posted the nenetl site on CC/etc, burritomin went after you (?)
– Could you explain how she knew you were who posted it on CC/etc? Sorry if this is already outlined better in the /ot/ thread
& Did she start becoming obsessed with you 'faildoxxing' her before or after you posted the similarities you noticed?

>Here’s a pic of her badgering me after I posted her site
Sorry, are you saying that pic was after you posted nenetl, and it was run by burritomin? Or were you admining it, since in the pic she says 'your site'? (I'm not familiar with nenetl, sorry!).

And in the image you (Eris/Hex?) say
>because you didn't get the site?
Do you mind explaining what that implies? Was burritomin trying to admin it, or are you implying she didn't understand the point of the site, or?

>>3815
Sorry for the double post, I'm >>3818 just forgot to ask:
Did you ever voice chat with/hear burritomin's voice?

>>3818
>>3819
>Could you explain how she knew you were who posted it on CC/etc? Sorry if this is already outlined better in the /ot/ thread
I found the site through our mutual friend and she showed me it. At the time she didn’t know it was the admins site, the admin was in lolcow discord groups posting it. I think I mentioned how I found it on the thread and she put two and two together considering the only person who it could have been was our mutual. You can find more detail on this on the previous threads where the drama spilled.

>Sorry, are you saying that pic was after you posted nenetl, and it was run by burritomin? Or were you admining it, since in the pic she says 'your site'? (I'm not familiar with nenetl, sorry!).
Nenetl was the oldmin’s persona, they used that username a lot. The reason she said that was because during the time I offered to take lcf when she struggled finding a successor. I retracted it after because I realized I am not a leader nor would I have the mental strength to. I don’t think it was a serious offer now of what I know.

>Do you mind explaining what that implies? Was burritomin trying to admin it, or are you implying she didn't understand the point of the site, or?
See above. You can find a lot more context in the previous threads.
Check out the crystal cafe bunker threads if they’re still there
The choachan cafe downfall thread
And meta during January

>>3819
>Did you ever voice chat with/hear burritomin's voice?
No, I did not.

>>3820
Thank you for explaining! Sorry for my confusion/I'm working on reading the /ot/ thread and such now. There's just a lot to go through.

tl;dr - I had it backwards and Eris was oldmin/burritomin/whoever talking, and the blocked out user is you, right?

I'm still kind of confused, though. if 'netnetl' is the nic of oldmin, then what is the 'netnetl site'? Or the site you posted on CC, etc?

Can someone explain why this schizo keeps going on about choachan and why she keeps saying they have made allegations when I have seen 0 official statements from then anywhere since the site went down and just a lot of schizo infighting on the site about them? What's with the weird hate obsession for people that are seemingly not even involved

None of you sound schizo btw, it's very telling how both CC and LCF banded together to call all of these concerns schizo and try and steamroll it as "gayops" or whatever other scrote term they like to use from their internet infight spheres. Also very frustrating for any anon interested in the truth but imo it's an obvious tactic designed to make you feel crazy, frustrate you, shame and embarrass you, so you will stop asking uncomfortable questions. When that doesn't work she will insult you with personal information.
There's two instances in the hate threads where this Burritomin thinks she has figured out it's someone and then insults them with personal info (Tesco - onlyfans whore blabla), (Hex ldr bf dumped you blabla) and when that also doesn't work she just locks threads, bans and deletes.
That in itself is suspicious and probably will make people get autistically obsessed with uncovering just what the fuck these idiots are up to so idk what they think they are doing but it's very stupid either way

>>3824
>That in itself is suspicious and probably will make people get autistically obsessed with uncovering just what the fuck these idiots are up to
100%. I would've remained an oldfag primarily lurking and ignoring this entire thing if she didn't retard all over the place, now all of my attention is focused on it. whoever said the thing about streisanding was on the money

>>3822
It was a neocities site that she sent to people claiming it was her personal site. I only really know one instance of her sharing the site to another discord group. I don’t know if she shared it to other groups but Blaine managed to get it through the neocities discord or whatever. I don’t really know about that part people always correct me about it but I never care to remember kek.
I don’t know if there’s an archive link out there, but it held a list of accounts she had listed in there with the same moniker. Which is why we know she used by nenetl in other sites. I don’t understand why she shared it to others and then proudly admit she was pretending to be another person and it was a fail dox. I do believe it was a faildox I just don’t get why anyone would do something like that.

>tl;dr - I had it backwards and Eris was oldmin/burritomin/whoever talking, and the blocked out user is you, right?
yes it is, I’m willing to answer any questions regarding what I know about the December incident but it’s been explained in previous threads like I said. Let me know if you have any other questions once you’re done skimming through them.

Also I’ve never used this site before and didn’t know Sage was implemented through the options kek sorry.

>>3826
There are archives of it yes
https://archive.ph/STNeS
https://archive.ph/XcU5h
https://archive.ph/dAMb1
https://archive.ph/fOz02
https://archive.ph/T5Ybh

>>2264
We should compare Ashley’s posts to burritomins to compare writing styles

>>3829
I've done this for a few, at least for her onion/KF posts that are under her name - don't know about the socks. She doesn't repeat the same insult choices to the point it could be deliberate as many of them are so common in these circles it's weird for them not to be -ever- be used, especially when Ashley has such an extensive posting history. Other things like admin posts all do 'realise' and 'apologise' where as ashley uses 'realize' and 'apologize', however those could also be deliberate as they are common choices for samefagging. Other things, though, like circular logic arguments, accusations, the manner in which she insults, the threats, the 1-100 schizo tier tantrums, the love of gore/'spooky' 'witchcraft' shit, the… I'm not sure what the right word for this is, the 'phrasing', are all the same. There are many insults that are 'similar' despite using different words, if that makes any sense (I'll have to find a way to explain that better or document examples because it sounds ridiculous on its own). I think it would be ideal to go through her lists of socks and those that have documentations on various sites (like reddit) to see how she tries to make them seem different from each other.

I also would like to go through Ashley's pinterest fully and compare it to netnetl.me's tumblr posts, but the archive will only load a small amount of the tumblr posts for me… not sure if it's not fully archived or if my browser just gave up.

>>3826
>>3827
Thank you. I apologize for not mentioning anything about the sage sooner. I didn't mean to be rude, but I honestly didn't say anything because it made it easier to keep track of your posts (just incase, kek). I think I understand a bit more now, but I'm still reading through the full amount of the /ot/ thread and others (it's really all over the place, especially for someone who had no involvement/knowledge of discord or ccc).

If you so happen to have any lingering screenshots of your interactions with her where she uses words like 'realise' or 'apologise' and 'realize' or 'apologize' and such like that, for added reference, that would be great. Otherwise I will continue to compile things and try to put as much of the similarities/differences together as I can.

>>3830
Doubleposting to add:
It is well within Ashley's MO to racebait under the cover of SJW-woke-isms, much like netnetl did. I would have to review things more to see if there are any overlaps in their choices of feminism, but I believe an anon previously said they were different in those ways. However, that doesn't really set much for me, considering there are many posts of burritomins' where she outright rages at radfems/gc. Since Ashley is well known for changing her views based on her environment or sock larp of choice, despite being outright crazy of her, this wouldn't be fully disproving of anything.

>>3830
Interesting that the oldweb/nenetl was posted on Christmas and quickly swept under the rug as a 'faildox'. From what I remember of it, it was a sort of 'edgy girl' persona, kind of punk/goth, similar to burritomins ingenue persona. It wasn't quite as mystical/orientalist as the Pinterest.

https://crystal.cafe/b/src/1671883014978.png

So was nenetl a fake personality crafted by burritomin for reasons unknown? Her interest in feminism is completely different from Ashleys distaste for it.
Even kiwis think Ashley is too spergy to admin an imageboard and keep quiet about it, but what I'd like to know is where this came from
>>3779
>Ashley is a megalomaniac who wants to seize control of as many of these shitty little imageboards as she can, exactly the same thing she used to accuse Null of doing
What's the source for this? Has she mentioned this before? Has someone close to her? I'd love to understand how the hell this connection was made, because up until this point she's only been known as an alco 40 year old that cannot keep herself from sperging and defending herself on all fronts… except she was never really mentioned on imageboards as much as she has on kiwi splinter forums, in recent history.
Both her and burritomin love to create sock accounts. From what I've seen, Ashley loves to create socks to defend herself and not much else (for example her creating 11 accounts just to react autistic to some kiwis post kek) but nenetl/burritomin seems to create socks more to remain anonymous, although badly so sometimes, and snoop around and not stick with one account for too long.

>>3832
Samefagging to add, this list of imageboards was found on the nenetl site. The site owner claimed to post it as an example of reprehensible behavior (i.e. keeping track of websites like shinigami eyes) that she disagreed with. But now I'm not sure.
https://crystal.cafe/b/src/1671885180451.png

>>3832
>quickly swept under the rug as a 'faildox'
Frankly I immediately dismissed it because I found the claim wild and it came out of nowhere, but once someone mentioned the yesterweb it was easy to find that she literally called herself the admin of lcf under the nenetl name which to this day I do not understand the thought process of. By far one of the most low iq moves of burritomin kek.

>>3833
It is not impossible that it is a false lead, or someone was wrongfully told/convinced of it and then spread it. However, I think we all sit in a position now where there are so many strange coincidences and abnormal reactions that it makes it hard to let go of it without first digging deeper.

I also have some consideration that the truth may lay somewhere in the middle:
>It was brought up that Shaymin was really a '3 person' identity
>It was also brought up that there was originally a wife+husband team
>There is a lot of weird admin incest in all the admin take overs, and times where former admins are remaining in the background to 'help' but 'not really' and often their departure is never fully clarified or confirmed.

It is *possible* she, then, does have some involvement. But it's also possible our repeat admins have been a mix of people, hence the erratic but repeat behaviors. It is, though, very difficult for me to believe there are *three* admins currently, when there is not the presence or coherency of even half of a single admin. I could also believe that someone like burritomin or nenetl or whoever has crafted more and more larps over time because she really is a paranoid schizo and thinks she'll be doxxed. If she was not Ashley, then I would believe that Ashley did infact have some role to play, and(or) knew some personal information on her, and that is why she's flipping out so hard now, paranoid it would get out. They may be good friends in private, for example, and that would explain Ashley getting the Borzoi banner, or pushing the Cerebus character, out of collaboration over it being directly her. It does rub me the wrong way though there is that poster who is so insistent on saying 'but I thought Ashley is too dumb to code?'
- That really feels like burritomin-nenetl-whoever's ego piping up that she can, in fact, code, even though she is Ashley, because she had a weird fucking hang up about people thinking women can't code and blah blah blah. (Although knowing how to myself, I can tell that if she did know how to, she sure as shit didn't utilize it on the website kek…)

>>3835
everyone knows if it's a faildox you shut the fuck up and act like it's a realdox to get them off your ass.

>>3834
The transphobic etc sjw stuff is something Ashley is really big on yammering on about in her KF/onion threads, too.

>>3830
Kek no worries I just didn’t realize until I clicked on the options.

Here’s a screenshot of her using realize. Context in question is her talking about Elaine. She’s really obsessed with her for some reason.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068933872177401948/1150326690300571708/IMG_2935.png

Here’s another screenshot of her admitting to working on the lynx chan site to prove it’s her account.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068933872177401948/1150327101396897792/IMG_2936.png

>>3836
I think ashley is definitely on the team or used to be at least, because the deletions are too obvious. Someone is definitely running scared and skeletons are being dug up. the deletions are the most suspect part of this entire thing and vindicate the accusers the most.
I will admit to posting some of those questions because the person on ONF/KF just seems incredibly low-functioning. Barely functioning enough to type out their repetitive insults let alone craft alter personas, and most kiwis seem to think so as well. Someone else pointed out that she probably just used code monkeys for the actual site and that makes sense, I guess she could even manipulate some low ranking tard into playing the burritomin persona.
The behavior of a new admin taking the crown, promising to be more present and implement changes, then basically go AWOL has repeated twice now. Also, this might be tinfoiling, but the insistence on ending things in '-min' rather than just introducing yourself with a first name like Ian and Regina seems sus to me.

similarities:
>both like to make socks and alt accounts
>some branch of leftist politics
>hatred of null, snail, girl IBs
>insults about peoples weight
>paranoid behavior

differences:
>burritomin presented herself as very detached and above it all (despite how she felt inside), while ashleys posts are pretty emotional and quite obviously mad
>burritomin bothered to use capitalization and format her posts
>burrito was pretty manipulative and secretive whereas Ash seems to just go straight for the 'you're dying alone fucking autist' approach, which is pretty unsubtle.

>>3836
>I also have some consideration that the truth may lay somewhere in the middle
Pretty much my opinion at the moment as well
>It is, though, very difficult for me to believe there are *three* admins currently, when there is not the presence or coherency of even half of a single admin
This can very conveniently be explained (which does end up making it sound sus I agree) that only one of the admins was tasked with the public relations aspect. The other two are in charge of coding apparently, which yes the site has received a few small improvements since they took over but their plan is on making a whole new imageboard. Frankly it's been 9 months already so I'm not too optimistic because there's been 0 progress updates.
>then I would believe that Ashley did infact have some role to play, and(or) knew some personal information on her
This sounds plausible to me because burritomin is a retard that willingly engaged with Elaine out of all people so it wouldn't surprise me if she somehow ended up communicating with Ashley as well. I wouldn't put it past someone that went into an actual tranny central to admit she owned an evil terf website kek
>>3834
Do you remember which part of her site this was posted in?

>>3841
Sorry, all I have is the old bunker thread. It was linked to her through a now-deleted github. https://crystal.cafe/b/res/198870.html#199196

>>3839
Ha, interesting, so she uses 'realize' in private (as Ashley does publicly), but from what I could see all ## admin posts in meta preference 's' (I will double check this). Don't recall off-hand if any of her recent posts on CC had any words that would show that, will check what we have archived.

>>3840
>>3841
Another similarity that still strikes me as interesting is that Ashley and Burrito were both very involved with Elaine. Ashley, for example, is among the first posters in Elaine's thread on Onion (and continues consistently posting throughout it for some time). Might be worth cross referencing if the dates on Ashley's onion posts have any cross over with the Elaine-hunt on LC/old screens (haven't looked myself, so maybe a dead end there).

Welp, I'm going to bed. This is the most milky autistic fun I've had involving cows for years, though, even if we're only speculating some things for now. Thanks all.

>>3842
So it came from the github, thanks. Her neocities mirror of the site is still up btw, which is why I was asking

>>3843
keep up the good work, anon!

>>3827
>>3826
>>3820
>>3815
and thank you, dear.

thread locked, please do not discuss other imageboard related drama here.