No.5770
>>5760El Shaddai:ascension of metatron, good gameplay with beautiful aesthetic
No.5780
>>5774>Mad Father This is one of those that I feel very confident would not hold up lol. I also played it a long time ago, and while the art and aesthetics were neat, I don't feel like it was particularly well-written, in retrospect.
>Grey GardenI've actually never tried this one! Some of the character designs are really cute, though, so I may play it one day, even if you don't think it would be very good.
No.5781
>>143>What have you been playing lately?Stardew valley. Elliot will be mine…..
No.5784
>>5781Stardew was fun, but much like Harvest Moon I just lost interest in managing the farm. Surprisingly good male cast though, wouldn't mind seeing them in something more narratively driven.
>>5780Gray Garden is very pretty but I just think their other games like Wandohara are better. If you link angel and demons you'll probably get a kick out of it, much better than Mad Father at least lol.
No.5785
>>5773>corpse partylast time i replayed that one was fourish years ago, and it was pretty cliche and full of moidy coom shit. however, it somehow didn’t kill my nostalgia and i ashamedly still kind of like it in spite of its moidiness, kek. there was also a bit of a tumblr revival in shipping two of the insane guys for a while which was fun, even if
they literally had no canon interaction aside from the shitty ova and one of the bonus scenarios. No.5792
Class of 09, what a poorly written piece of edgy trash. I want Jeffery to get absolutely raped by the bullies for liking Chinese Cartoons.
Anyone got any good BL VNs I can read instead? I've read all the Nitroplus ones and Naked Butlers.
No.5793
>>5792>Class of 09, what a poorly written piece of edgy trash.Agreed I can't believe how pretentious the creator was about it when it's such garbage. Stoner boy is cute though.
If you haven't read the ADELTA VNs then read those, I've also heard from my friend that lkyt is very good but not very focused on romance and very tragic (apparently the characters more screw as a coping mechanism).
No.5797
>>5792>Class of 09, what a poorly written piece of edgy trash.I didn't read it, but it's nice to see a negative opinion on it, for once. The way I've seen people praise it doesn't sit right with me because it kind of looked like a generic "see how crazy we are for parodying visual novels" type of game.
>Anyone got any good BL VNs I can read instead?Highly seconding what
>>5793 wrote; you can't go wrong with ADELTA's games (although I'd recommend Hashihime the most) or Lkyt. I'll also add Tokyo Onmyoji, although it's not as polished as the other two that anon recommended. It still has some really great characters and a fun urban fantasy vibe, if you're into that.
No.5799
>>5797>I didn't read it, but it's nice to see a negative opinion on it, for once. The way I've seen people praise it doesn't sit right with me because it kind of looked like a generic "see how crazy we are for parodying visual novels" type of game.It very much is, for some reason like half of the entire English VN market is these parody games that aren't even novel anymore. I thought 09 wasn't very charming, the MC was mean-spirited in a way that wasn't fun. It's very juvenile and full of teen angst, and whats worse is that despite having multiple endings there isn't even a "skip read text" function so getting them all is a chore despite how short the game is.
>>5797>>5793Thank you for the suggestions, I haven't read anything from this company yet. Hashihime has a very pretty art style so I think I'll try that one first. If I like it maybe I'll have a new company of games to keep me occupied this year.
Just to clarify Hashihime is a H game, so I shouldn't get the Switch release correct? Or is it just dark BL?
No.5800
>>5799>and whats worse is that despite having multiple endings there isn't even a "skip read text" function so getting them all is a chore despite how short the game is.I absolutely HATE that. I played a different parody game in that vein, and it had the same thing. Plus, you had to replay this game FIVE TIMES to even get an ending. Absolute insanity for people who clearly don't understand the conventions of the medium to be making parodies of it. There's no way the devs could not know to include a skip read text function unless they straight-up haven't read many VNs.
>Just to clarify Hashihime is a H game, so I shouldn't get the Switch release correct?You're right; it is an H-game, but the Switch version does contain some additional scenes that, if I recall, were originally text-only short stories on the dev's website, so there is some additional content to make up for the H-content being removed. Whichever version you choose, I hope you like it!
No.5801
>>5799>for some reason like half of the entire English VN market is these parody games that aren't even novel anymore.I hate that shit so much. It's like they played Hatoful boyfriend once as a tween or watched a youtuber play it and never reached the parts that have an genuine heartfelt story and instead just went "Lawl this is so funny, I'm gonna do this too."
No.5802
>>5797I wanna check out Tokyo Onmyoji at some point, the character designs are pretty handsome.
>>5799>like half of the entire English VN market is these parody games that aren't even novel anymoreIt's because they don't actually like visual novels, they just want to cash in on meme games for youtubers to play like ddlc and dream daddy (both trash).
>>5801Hatoful is the one VN I've seen to do it properly for a lot of reasons
>pre meme VN era>creator clearly actually enjoyed otome games and just thought it would be funny to make one where they're birds>otherwise aside from stuff like okosan and some silly stuff here and there the game is played pretty straight with love interests that you can actually grow to care about (I specifically remember a youtuber crying at the end of Nageki's route)>True end genuinely ties the routes together extremely well No.5806
>>5802>Hatoful is the one VN I've seen to do it properly for a lot of reasonsFull agree, Hatoful doesn't get enough praise for its legitimately interesting world-building and writing. Its funny as hell but there are also characters you want to get to know plus real stakes and serious moments which tie the story together. I've seen VNs like Pizza Game or Dialtown which try to do the same "Goofy Game, serious underbelly" and none have succeeded where Hatoful did.
Also Ryuuji/Shuu is the bird OTP and I will not accept any other options!
No.5807
>>5802>I wanna check out Tokyo Onmyoji at some pointIf you ever do, please share your thoughts on here! I absolutely love the game, and it makes me so sad that it's still so underrated, even though it has an English translation.
>>5802>>5801>>5806You're absolutely correct. Hatoful Boyfriend is unironically good, and was made by someone who doesn't hate VNs. It's one of my absolute favorite VNs I've ever read, (and yes, I've read things that are more critically-acclaimed or whatever; it just grabbed me in a way very few things have). I hate that it gets lumped in with the low-effort genre of parody games it spawned. The absurd premise was just a front for the actual plot, which took effort and had some genuinely excellent foreshadowing and characterization. It never felt mean-spirited in the way that most parody-type games do, and the fact that the characters were birds ended up being a legitimate plot point. I don't have a lot to add to what these posts said, but it makes me so upset that people write Hatoful off as a meme game when it has a genuine heart to it that the games trying to emulate it will never possess.
No.5810
>>5807>and yes, I've read things that are more critically-acclaimed or whatever; it just grabbed me in a way very few things haveNo issue with that nonna, hatoful is genuinely a really strongly written VN with an impressive amount of good routes (usually otome/BLge have like, 2-3 well written love interests while I think most of the ones in hatoful were well done)
>It never felt mean-spirited in the way that most parody-type games doI honestly think that people who decide to do crappy parody games like class of 09 should read a couple of Japanese VNs before writing off the entire medium and pulling some obnoxious irony poisoned shit like in that shitty 'anti visual novels' video. I hate seeing my favorite medium of storytelling get written off as 'porn' or 'shitty dating games' when a lot of them have way more heart put into them compared to manga and anime (especially with indie VNs) which doesn't get written off nearly as much.
Even people who know of hatoful should actually fully complete the game instead of just playing one route and dropping it.
Otome and BLge get written off even moreso with guys ignoring plotge coming out like Ooe.
No.5813
>>5794>>5785those two were so cute, i remember ten years ago mass reblogging all the fanart of them lol, i revisited corpse party recently but clearly nostalgia had blinded me since the high octane moidery really does overshadow what would be a peak piece of horror, the way random pantyshots would take me out of otherwise compelling cgs lmao also the sequels are all utter shit
>>5799genuinely the way that so many western vns are just "haha aren't visual novels silly and goofy! anime is so freaking randum!" is such a piss-take, it's unfortunate how many western vn creators have so much disdain for the genre
>>5806i've wanted to pick up Hatoful for a while! i'm not really into otome though, i hear the big fat yandere bird is a homo which is interesting depending on how it's handled.
No.5814
>>5813>the high octane moidery really does overshadow what would be a peak piece of horrorMaybe it’s just because I’m thinking about it in compared to stuff like corpse party musume (among other ero horror), but I didn’t think it was thaaaat terrible? Yuka’s subplot was still obvious fetish bait but the parts with her and Kizami are some of the most iconic and entertaining so I’m fine dealing with it.
Also could just be nostalgia bias in my case kek.
No.5818
>>5815I played some of it about a year ago
one day I'll finish getting all the bl scenes. And my favorite ending was the ntr ending for Seijirou, picrel.
No.5821
>>5817>I wish more series would just let a good thing die at its peak, instead of dragging it out past its natural lifespanSaw this in another thread and it reminded me of the current pitiful state of Silent hill versus Forbidden siren which managed to die relatively gracefully and is still remembered fondly by longtime fans.
No.5822
>>5818>>5815Ah I really wanna pick this up at some point! Just worried I'll have to sift through a bunch of het scenes
No.5823
>>5815I played it for a while but tbh I got turned off by how it tried to give me flags with the pseudo-shota while Seijiro was away exploring or something like that. I just really didn't want to have sex with a Gon/Naruto type of guy.
No.5824
>>5814Ngl it's definitely not as bad as every single other installment of the franchise but yeah the occasional pantyshots (the last cg of a character before her brutal death being a low angle shot of her underwear is really fetishy) at crucial moments and yuka in general is just fetish fuel the character and it really takes me out of the experience also I actually really liked Seiko as a character but the way she acts in all of the spinoffs (especially the ova) really ruin her for me
No.5825
>>5822I don't think there's a way to play without seeing het or yuri, sadly. And I think you have to toggle bl to be viewable in the settings, because I think it's off by default. There is a sfw bl spin-off, but I haven't checked it out.
>>5823Kippei's cute, but I chose Seijirou first because he was just my type. And I didn't bring Kippei with me on my first run because I wanted the encyclopedia girl to read me all the lore. Kinda wish there was more Seijirou content, but being a game mainly meant for men, I see why Kippei got slightly more content.
No.6046
>>5900Good luck. Make sure to use a guide, unless you really want to go in blind. There's a pdf on f95zone that's pretty thorough. There's another guide out there with a map, but I think it was in Japanese and I'm not entirely sure where I found it. I tried looking for it just now, but no luck.
No.6050
>>5815This looks really neat, thank you.
No.6052
>>5824agree wholeheartedly about seiko. apologies for the mild yurifag sperg but i was young (way too young) when i played the og and was genuinely surprised by her storyline and her love for naomi, which i thought was portrayed in a pretty heartfelt way. but every other piece of media reduced her character to “lol isn’t it crazy that she’s GAY and a PERVERT” and it just became another moidy aspect of the series. like the other anon, though, i’m so nostalgic for the main game that i don’t think i could every truly resent it, kek.
and the entire kizami and yuka segment is, in fact, iconic. No.6055
>>6052Yeah I hated how Seiko got treated in stuff like Sachiko's birthday, she's a genuinely really likable character and it wasn't super common for lesbian characters feelings to not be played off as nothing but a joke.
No.6057
>>6054I liked Kuro a lot! I wish the combat had a bit more bite to it but all the characters were pretty fun, and I enjoyed it a lot more than CS.
No.6059
>>6046I might have to, I'm getting filtered at the very beginning of the game.
No.6096
>>5810>that shitty 'anti visual novels' videoI legitimately thought it was satire the first time I watched it because of how much basic information he got wrong lol. Like, I do not understand what compelled that man to make that video.
>I hate seeing my favorite medium of storytelling get written off as 'porn' or 'shitty dating games' when a lot of them have way more heart put into them compared to manga and anime (especially with indie VNs) which doesn't get written off nearly as much. Me, too, nona. I don't think it's possible to successfully parody something without having knowledge of what you're parodying. It feels like the writers are too afraid of being sincere, and fall back on making 'ironic' stories. I actually love genre-shift type stories (like VNs that start out as slice-of-life and become something else by the time they end), and I hate that they're often associated with more DDLC-type VNs.
>>5813>i've wanted to pick up Hatoful for a while! i'm not really into otome thoughNta but if it makes the game any more appealing,
the otome elements basically disappear in the game's last - and longest - route.>>5818I've wanted to try this one, but I've also heard it's kind of difficult and I fear I may never finish it.
No.6103
>>6096>I've also heard it's kind of difficultAYRT and while it's not the easiest game, it's not super difficult once you get through the first playthrough. The game itself is pretty fair. It gives you a lot of hints (especially if you bring Rikana) and tends to tell you if something is a bad idea
like the doll scene. You also get Homura's unique item that heals a lot up to three times and no limit on saving. So it gives you a lot of chances to fix any fuck ups you made. And then after that first playthrough, you get to keep your levels and items you left in your box. And losing a party member doesn't automatically mean you fucked up. I was able to beat the game with only Homura once because Rikana died and Seijirou ran away like two minutes later. It wasn't my first playthrough though so Homura was a little overleveled.
>>5823>tried to give me flags with the pseudo-shotaI already replied to you before, but I forgot to mention that as long as you don't sleep with him when resting, you shouldn't get Kippei's ending. Same applies for all the characters. You need 80+ affection to get a relationship ending and there's like 6 bed rests which is 60 affection and there's dialogue that bumps the affection as well as healing. And even if you got a lot of affection with someone, you don't end with them unless you sleep in the last bed with them (the 7th and final bed, I believe).
No.6108
>>6096>that spoilerooh! colour me interested then, the bird boy designs are so cute
>>6103i heard there's apparently a threesome ending with the two boys? also Homura is such a hot protag, a part of me would want to hunt for the het content too but ngl when I play blvns i'm in the mindset of just wanting to see bl (i remember being irked that Hadaka Shitsuji had het scenes with Sayaka and each butler and I remember getting those scenes asap with each butler to get them out the way so I could still get 100 percent completion, thankful none of them are canon to the dark or light routes at least)
No.6116
>>6108>threesome ending with the two boys?Yes, there is. You need to get both the guy's endings and have their id cards which are given after you get their ending. The pdf guide that appears when you search for "Abaddon Princess of the Decay guide" explains it more. Just ctrl f "harem" to get to the page.
>>6113>how many BL endings are there total?I think there's technically 6
(I say technically because some are epilogues and some are endings, can't remember which is which exactly though). The regular endings (which I think are actually epilogues) I think you get as long as you don't do the secret
Yuki route. The true ending variants you only get if you do the true ending route,. The ntr endings where you cuck the third party member you chose. And then the Kippei x Seijirou ending. You can do the Kippei x Seijirou ending and cuck one of them to get one of the ntr endings for the guys. There's also a few extra bl cgs that aren't tied to endings and are missable. Like there's two bl rape tapes and both Kippei and Seijirou have a gay death rape cg
Not as bad as it sounds. The rapist isn't like an ugly bastard or anything and there's no blood afaik.>new vs old art stylesIt's just a novelty of the game tbh. Picrel is the newer style, which I personally find it takes me out of the experience considering the rest of the game is 8-bit. It's a toggle in the settings and I think the 8-bit style is the default, but I could be wrong. There's no advantage other than older style has less space so there's usually a part that gets cropped sometimes (It's not much, just a few pixels).
No.6128
>>5810>Even people who know of hatoful should actually fully complete the game instead of just playing one route and dropping it.I've tried convincing friends this so many times over the years. I'll get them to do 2-3 routes maybe but they still treat it as just funny haha and have no intent to reach BBL even though I keep telling them it's there. It's fun hearing their surprise when the game has more work put into it than they expect for "just a joke", but I want them to experience the true oh shit moments and come away as affected as I was.
And then play Holiday Star.
No.6134
>>6122yess we need more equality like this lol, i remember reading the f95 page and seeing moids being shook by how equal opportunity this game is, bi rights i guess
No.6137
>>6128>I've tried convincing friends this so many times over the years.NTA but same. It drives me nuts because I don't want to ruin it for them, but they're like, "haha yeah it's a funny bird game. I don't understand why you love it so much, though." I've had 2-3 friends finish it entirely, and they all agreed it was kino. The others just gave up and forever know it as the silly bird game. It's only, like, 8 hours long, and I want others to have the same experience that I did… When I initially played, I didn't know about the last route, so hitting it was SUCH an experience for me that I want to share with as many people as I can.
>>6134Also NTA but can you imagine what an upset there would be if regular galge started having BL routes?? It makes me wish more games were brave enough to do it kek.
No.6233
>>6232Ooh I've heard good things about Graces, I have a friend who's really into the tales series (I've only played vesperia but I'm yet to finish it) and she'd always tell me how gay Richard is and how I need to pick up graces at some point since he and Asbel have such a homoerotic relationship… Since it's getting a switch release soon, I've heard Zestial is insanely homo too
No.6234
>>6232There have been a few jrpg ships in my past (most popular example, Riku/Sora) where "r63 one of them–do you see The Vision?" opens the third eye of some anons. Some of them are just so genuinely dense that they don't register interesting dynamics/tension until it's funneled to them in the form of girl/boy.
No.6235
>>6234>most popular example, Riku/Soraspot on
>Some of them are just so genuinely dense that they don't register interesting dynamics/tension until it's funneled to them in the form of girl/boy.On a related note I remember naruto's sasusaku and narusaku fans actually admitting that if sasunaru was straight, it would be the superior ship, story and chemistry wise.
No.6679
Finally started playing Final fantasy 16 now that it's on PC. I'm still relatively early into the game, I only just got Jill as a party member, but I'm having a great time so far. The combat feels great even if I'm not always the best at it. I know there's the easy mode and assist rings but I genuinely want to git gud for this game.