/ot/ - Off-Topic

>>2419
You say you fit no diagnosis, did you consider playing something up just to get those comfy neetbux? I'm thinkibg of going that route when my time's up, so just wondering. Also what do you guys do for cheap neet hobbies? I wanted to go shoplift some art supplies just to have something to do that's away from the computer that's not just aimlessly walking around.

>>2419
What country do you live in? I'm in Canada (GTA) and the experiences I have is like the opposite where they're really fucking persistent in talking to you and hooking you up with more groups and people even before the psych gives a final diagnosis.

>>2419
>This reminds me of the time I got banned on /cm/ in the 00s for posting "make me a sandwich". The ban said something like "there are women browsing!"
As a fellow oldfag the imageboards in the 00's were way more left leaning and humanitarian, I never got shit for being a woman besides singular "make me a sandwich" jokes that were being ironic and the userbase had a pretty sizable female side as well. It's endlessly enraging how newfags are gaslighting everyone into thinking that 4chan was always for being a bigoted edgelord hating on minorities and oppressed demographics when that was absolutely not the case in the beginning, the anons in 2004 were more occupied with hunting down pedos and animal abusers than the retarded life ruination and harassment shit incel /pol/faggots are doing now to random women and human rights activists. I'm telling this because I keep seeing anons even here saying "if you can't handle imageboard banter and us saying slurs then gtfo hoo hoo!!!" as if I haven't been observing the culture for 20 years by now.

>>2431
nta but this is new to me. Weird question but was it gamergate that made switch in imageboard culture? I see lots of people bring up gamergate when discussing internet interactions and how it basically ruined it

>>2433
4chan did market itself as "the depravity of humankind" but that was mostly about the breed of dark humor there which was the vogue in the early 00's. The thing is that it was just that, humor. People laughed at racist and misogynist jokes and memed about lolis and everything but nobody was seriously writing manifestos about going on a shooting spree or accusing jews of controlling the western hemisphere. What I remember from 4chan in the early to mid 00's is the snarky, nihilistic memes and a certain kind of fondness for those who had no place in the world.

Gamergate definitely acted as a focal point because during that time opportunistic right-wing nuts who weren't even gamers or outright despised them (Milo Yiannopoulis for example) co-opted the entire movement to manipulate and push their own agenda on gullible masses who were initially there to rightfully call out the corruption of gaming journalism. The ball sort of started rolling from there. Some of the well known figures even dropped the entire movement solely because of not wanting to be associated with said political values. After the 2016 elections and Trump winning presidency the /pol/ slanted side started gaining even more traction and those who used Gamergate to inflate their audience like the entire "skeptic" movement gave birth to the "alt-right" subculture, a mish-mash of conservative, homophobic, sexist, white-supremacy ideas combined with incels. I used to side with Gamergate in the beginning when it was "just" about the ethics in game journalism but as it progressed it was a real eye-opener to how every man has a sleeping beast that should never be awakened.

>>2436
that's really interesting but also sort of depressing. thanks for sharing this nonna

>>2431
>>2436
Yeah, there was always dark humour and cruel jokes in 4chan, but in the end you were there to discuss your hobbies and interact with other people who were into the same things so there was an organic limit to how edgy you'd be. Most newfags don't even have hobbies beyond braindead video games and porn, they just use the website as an extension of Twitter or Discord and insist on this narrative that 4chan was always like this anyway. It's like they can't conceive having an actual conversation on an actual interesting topic, everything needs to be a sarcastic joke on the current state of the world to them.
On a personal level, the change /an/ has gone through deeply saddens me. I used to be a regular poster there at the beginning, and it was a genuinely hearty place where people would make threads to keep us updated about their pet's death process that would reach bump limit. Nowadays it's filled with edgy sociopaths that have normalized threads about cruelty towards animals and the use of "go back to reddit, vegan" to dismiss any non-cynical posts.

Also sorry for this dumb question but what was the whole Gamergate thing exactly about? Despite wasting my youth on the internet I always lived inside my own bubble and never paid any attention to these things.

>>2439
>in the end you were there to discuss your hobbies and interact with other people who were into the same things so there was an organic limit to how edgy you'd be.
Very well said. I learned so much from different hobbyist boards and was passionate about sharing my own knowledge because back then people were actually doing that and not just posting child porn, racebait and ranting about not having a girlfriend. I remember when /soc/ opened and that felt like the beginning of the end because the people who were there to be autistic about their interests were shunned in favor of sociopaths who wanted to mingle and suck each others' dicks at webcam meets and IRL gettogethers.

>Also sorry for this dumb question but what was the whole Gamergate thing exactly about?
In short, it was about three key people. First of all a game called "Depression Quest" by Zoe Quinn that was more of an interactive novel was greenlit on Steam despite adjacent games being rejected, and it received manufactured praise from journalists that she had close connections to. Secondly, Anita Sarkeesian was stealing game footage and scamming money with nonexistent crowdfund campaigns by milking the feminist angle in video games, mostly taking scenes out of context and saying "this is misogynist" without much elaborating or intelligent analysis. Third, Brianna Wu, a transgender game developer mooching off his rich husband's money and an absolute cow in his own right, faked being attacked and stalked. All of these people were called out for being detrimental to the entire gaming industry by exploiting nepotism, such as Zoe Quinn getting another female-exclusive game jam cancelled because it was competing with hers. So it definitely came from a place of good intentions to fight the lies and corruption in the industry but was branded as a harassment campaign almost immediately, attracting the attention of political activists who saw their chance. Of course there's a lot more nuance and story to it but that's basically where it started, however it's extremely hard to find a good, thorough writeup that isn't biased towards either side.

>>2439
>what was the whole Gamergate thing exactly about?
Men sending women involved in the gaming industry death and rape threats. Maybe the intentions of the movement starred good but men uset it as an excuse to harass women
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign) there probably are better sources than this but this gives the gist of it

There really is a before and after 2016 honestly. 2016 was the year when the internet truly died.

>>2442
True. nta but that's the year when I gave up on tumblr and deleted my account after it slowly but surely turned into a SJW obsessed shithole, and when I made a twitter, thinking it'd be less terrible. It was way less terrible at first, until normies with no reading comprehension and critical thinking skills and tumblr refugees ruined it during the USA presidential elections. The gamergate shit was also annoying as fuck, literally just to different yet adjacent brands of retards fighting each other for internet clout. You'd think being a European weeb of African descent would make me not give a single fuck about this whole American bullshit, yet American localizers wouldn't stop fucking with Japanese games I was interested in that were released in NA and Europe and it got old very fast.

>>2431
>newfags are gaslighting everyone into thinking that 4chan was always for being a bigoted edgelord hating on minorities and oppressed demographics
I'm always glad when I see people post stuff along these lines because it's been so long I DO doubt my memories. I was 16 when I started and now I'm 33, that's half my whole damn life.

>>2440
>Zoe Quinn
>Anita Sarkeesian
>Brianna Wu
I think the thing I hate the most about "muh women in dork media" is that none of the "faces" of the movement ever have any fanart/fanfic in their history. I recognize that "no true Scotsman(fangirl)" is a fallacy but I just feel so strongly about fandom being a core tenet of womanhood in online spaces that it really bugs me that nobody who makes a career out of it is actually "one of us", you know?

>>2449
True lol, honestly the people who were the core targets don't even feel like they give a rats ass about the medium. When Anita starts complaining about sexism in games and uses Peach as an example all I can think is "Are you actually a fan of Mario? Do you play the RPGs? Why aren't you just writing a fanfic to address this problem?"

Like at the end of the day it's a bunch of basic bitch normies who don't have enough creativity or passion to expand up the things they play. I never felt excluded from games until they started complaining and then a bunch of men turned on all women in gaming spaces. Not that GamerGate was bad in principle, game journalists should get fucked, but the movement created some nasty annoying people. I think its telling that some guys at the center of it like Metokur bailed after they saw how stupid some of the losers involved became.

>>2459
>the core targets don't even feel like they give a rats ass about the medium
Yeah, because they didn't. I'm nta, I didn't follow the whole thing at the time but even before that I remember Anita's videos being posted on tumblr with half of the SJWs there praising her for complaining about surface level shit, and half of them actually acknowledging she had no clue what she was talking about as a whole. Like, sorry but I like playable female characters who are fully developed characters with a well written arc and who are useful gameplay wise even if they're wearing "unrealistic" cute dresses in frills or sexy clothes as opposed to a fucking burqa like armor. Pic related I guess.

> I never felt excluded from games until they started complaining and then a bunch of men turned on all women in gaming spaces.
I mostly play single player stuff and the fans I talked to the most often irl and online about the JRPGs and Nintendo games I like were girls and women around my age by far. The men I know who are into games are usually into shit like FIFA and COD and have no clue wtf Final Fantasy is. The only guy I know who is actually nerdy enough to sound like he knows what he's talking about is one of my friend's bf.

>>2459
>>2460
There's honestly a lot to be critiqued about games and the gaming industry regarding casual misogyny and the disparity in female and male characters and how they're designed but Anita's videos were, as said, very surface level and went for reaches that weren't necessary. I also don't like the fact that women get ridiculous bikini armor while men get cool full armor in the same game or how female employees are treated at game companies but the entire argument loses its focus when you start sperging about characters like Princess Peach or muh violence in vidya. It's clear that she had no first hand experience with video games or being a part of the community and was more intersted in monetizing the harassment she got (and encouraged with purposefully provocative tweets) than making a real change in the community. Which is what made me support Gamergate before it became the white supremacist breeding ground it ended up turning into. It's grating because now whenever you bring up sensible critique about how women are portrayed and treated you immediately get branded as some Neo-Sarkeesian SJW causing the entire debate to take three steps back again.

>>2460
>I mostly play single player stuff and the fans I talked to the most often irl and online about the JRPGs and Nintendo games I like were girls and women around my age by far.
I was online in the late 90s/early 00s and didn't trip across the idea of "no girls on the internet" until 4chan in like 2005. Up until then everybody who actually talked to me about video games online and IRL was other girls.

To this day I don't consider normalfriend games (FPS, sports, MOBAs) to be real games. Fake gamer girls? Try fake gamer BOYS.

>>2461
>It's grating because now whenever you bring up sensible critique about how women are portrayed and treated you immediately get branded as some Neo-Sarkeesian SJW causing the entire debate to take three steps back again.
This is why I don't bother anymore. It seems like after Trump got elected male-dominated spaces just became too full of dudes pre-programmed to dunk on a woman before even thinking critically about what she is saying.

>>2409
I've been shutin NEET for my entire life. Wasn't put in school as a kid so never had any friends growing up or now. I hate it so fucking much, I wouldn't wish living like this on my worst enemy.

I grew up online instead and now I have no meaningful social skills (or in general) and I feel like I'm at an inherent disadvantage.
I'm still young so I still have hope maybe everything will turn up if/when I get a job but it's not looking good nonas..

>>2468
>Fake gamer girls? Try fake gamer BOYS.
Why did I automatically pictured Henry Cavill in his blue tanktop building his gaming PC?

>>2488
You should escape, I live a NEET life cause I'm not a burden on anyone and my brother and SIL need as a live in baby sitter, but If I didn't have this option, I'd be trying to get a job and do my best to become a normie

>>2488
>I grew up online instead and now I have no meaningful social skills (or in general) and I feel like I'm at an inherent disadvantage.
Do you have some sort of irl activity that could allow you to develop social skills? How old are you? I have been very sheltered by my paranoid Muslim parents so I couldn't have a normal social life despite going to school until I went to uni and was forced to get better or literally not graduate because of all the group projects I had to do. A decade later and now I can sort of pass for a normie. So you could potentially get better with time and by getting used to it little by little even if it could take years and be difficult depending on your personal situation. Are you looking for a job or considering studying in college or uni?

>>2492
Not that anon but I was also very sheltered throughout my entire life and when I finally managed to escape for uni, I couldn't take it due to mental illness and dropped out right back into the NEET life. There's just no hope for some people and I've accepted this for myself.

>>2493
What helped me was that I hated my life so much I saw uni and getting a stable job thanks to it as my only escape. And I met wonderful friends who understood my circumstances but that's a borderline miracle. We were all total nerds and equally socially awkward so I think we helped each other thag way. I think if it weren't for them I wouldn't have gotten better.

>>2493
lol I feel like if I have to go to school this is what will happen to me too, and then there will be the student loans and whatever. It's over before it even started

>>2490
That's the plan :( I briefly had one last year and quit after I freaked out. I regret quitting kek even if it sucked and they were definitely overworking me. I want my otakubux!!!

>>2492
Maybe, I don't know. 18. Have been looking for one. I'd like to go to college but I don't really know what I'd study there, I'm only good at art and I know if I tried to pursue anything for it it'd make me hate drawing. I think I'll look into it though ..

>sharkweek causes blogposting followed immediately by disappearing because reading hard
You would think one month of my life I recognise it happening and stop myself. Time to find out what kind of essay I wrote today…

>>2422
Gonna be real with you, I probably got actual autism since I'm an awkward fuck, my relatives got it, and two old best friends of mine got diagnosed later. Unfortunately immediate family is anti-vax and think I'm "safe" because they didn't protect me from measles so I don't think I can get that checked out til I leave their house. I don't think I'm capable of playing things up, I have enough trouble communicating the existing problems.
>aimlessly walking around
Pokemon Go. Shows footpath routes and landmarks. I've exhausted most of my town and the next though, but now it's a daily routine I get restless on days when I can't be out walking. I have some other F2P games on my phone, but mostly it's just pirating shit as usual. If you want to read more without a phone/computer screen buy an ereader, b&w eink job, load downloaded content on that. The initial cost is worth it for the hours of use you get without having to buy/store physical books.

>>2423
That sounds like a dream. I wish I had someone chasing me about kicking my ass into gear so I can't just disconnect and vanish. I'm europoor though, so we don't have resources for persistent care, and if you're not being seen by anyone you don't count on the unemployment statistics. Pretty sure I just don't exist far as any authorities care and they prefer it that way.

>>2431
Thank you! I remember years back ranting at someone how there was this shift occurring and no matter what you said someone would be trying to revise shit against you. I know I was a kid when I started browsing so I didn't understand how heavy some references were, but you knew people meant things in jest and when they didn't. There was pride in having "fujoshi" instead of "rabid yaoi fangirls", image boards assumed they were more sophisticated internet users who knew their specialist subjects, instead of witch hunting themselves to death. The people now who insist on being offensive seemingly for the sake of it feel to me like children with a case of "you're not my mom, you can't tell me what to do!"

I open an anime board to discuss anime, not imaginary bogeymen on some other site or whatever the hell they've decided woman psychology demands this week. I used to be part of various raid boards back on 420chan and the old 8chan, and even those had more humour and sense than the vitriol people spend so much energy on today. I get plenty of kicks out of watching people seriously try to sus out how women think, but it hurts knowing 10 years ago they'd have rightfully been a laughing stock, instead of commended and "based" for spouting contradictory conspiracy theories. But no, do tell me how this week women are base animals who can't grasp emotional bonds like men, when last week women could only touch themselves to emotional drama for pansies. It really complements my manga about office workers. :^)
>>2439
/an/ and /ck/ used to be the boards I'd open on school computers to while away time, knowing there'd be cute animals, some funny cooking mistakes, a bit of wholesome "it's my gf's birthday can I get advice", etc. ;__;
>>2448
Hey same hat almost. I was 14, 32 now.

>>2449
Ah. That must be why the drama isn't any fun even on a gossip level. There's no "did you see her self insert fucking Snape" saga to uncover.

This message crashed my PC three times, probably an omen but I'll ignore it.

I guess the other thread where I posted this is on auto-sage but whatever: now that Japan will open its borders soon I will plan a trip to Japan for like three weeks to a month next summer. I planned on doing a bunch of shit in Japan in 2020 but covid ruined everything, but now I know what I want to visit outside of Tokyo and I know where to buy what I want. I'll redo my wardrobe and buy a shit ton of manga and merchs. If possible I'll buy some BL doujinshi too. I'm fucking ready, I'm not poor anymore so I will treat myself this time. Who else will go on a trip to Japan once the borders will open?

I wasn't of that time but a while back I looked at /y/ archives, tried to go as far back as possible and get a feel for things in text since few images were archived. Came across a poll thread from 2007 or so, are you male/female and straight/gay/bi. A lot of posters were women and there were no strong reactions. Seemed like a decently welcoming environment.

>>1365
I have sometimes managed to spark some activity on this site by creating new threads or asking questions and such. It's such a good feeling when that happens!
Some days this site is just slower than others I guess that is just the nature of fujochan. Though I do have a bad habit of frequently checking in here and always get disappointed when I see that no one has posted

>>2658
I FEEL YOU!! and same! when I posted new threads i notice it gets a spark of activity. I don't want to overflood the site with threads only I have created. (I do think we should encourage bumping older threads). I am sure once more people learn about this place it'll get better <3

>>2658
Me too nona!! I wish this site was more active T_T though, maybe I should be posting more… I just don't have much to say lel.
I spent a lot of time browsing fujochan when I first found it, because I was so excited to find a dedicated fujoshi community. Even if it's slow I'm glad it exists at all <3 I spend a lot of time in very anti-fujo internet circles so it's nice to know there's somewhere I can be unapologetically fujoshi

anyways, are y'all playing/watching/reading anything interesting lately? BL or otherwise!
I started playing DMMD a couple weeks ago, but didn't get too far before and I keep forgetting to continue. What ending should I go for first? Aoba's really cute!

>>2660
I forgot that DMMD got an official release. Learning that the company that release all the Nitro+Chiral VNs refused to release Lamento because it's expensive and time consuming pissed me off so much I forgot about DMMD. How's the official translation? Maybe I should try it out.

>>2660
hi nona you should start off with koujakus route or noiz cause those made me ugly cry especially koujakus…. when playing a vn i tend to play whichever character who i like the most’s route first (who i think is the most hot basically kekk) ive also played clears route and its very sweet. still need to finish others routes tho. after playing dmmd you should check out other nitro+chiral vns theyre really great ^_^ mabye i should make a thread for them!

>>2662
I know Koujaku is the childhood friend route so if I play DMMD he'll be my priority.

>>2661
>How's the official translation?
No idea because I got it off an ancient tumblr page. I'd like to buy it officially if there's somewhere I can get it besides steam. Steam's got a nasty habit of removing all the r18 content and then you've got to buy an unlock offsite and I hate it

>>2662
Clear is cute! I was thinking of playing his route. I'm sad they don't have any sort of filters or something on his voice, considering gas mask and all, it's jarring to hear him speak so clearly.
Is Togainu no Chi any good? I really like Kau >w>

>>2662
Mink's route gets isn't the best, especially if you're using the old translation but there's some pretty great moments that almost make up for it like the last sex scene in his route and and his so stupid it wraps back around in to being awesome method of getting into his tower.

>>2436
>but as it progressed it was a real eye-opener to how every man has a sleeping beast that should never be awakened
oh my god

So has everybody been busy this holiday season? Just noticed a slow few days and am wondering what everybody's up to.

>>3082
>So has everybody been busy this holiday season?
For me yes, especially with work and studying. Even if the holiday break is approaching it's going to be only 5 days long and I have tasks to manage at home. I haven't been able to visit Fujochan as often as I used to because of some stuff in life, and I don't have time for my hobbies (I miss reading BL/manga before going to sleep, now I don't have the energy.) and my activity in the fandoms I'm in has got to be as low as zero. (Wow, I didn't notice this turned into a rant, sorry haha.)
>Just noticed a slow few days and am wondering what everybody's up to.
I'm up to make a doujin when these hard days pass, and do more of what I like if I get the freedom to.

What are up to too, nonna?

>>3082
I'm in pretty much the same boat as >>3083 , busy with work, studying, and other super awesome and fun adult stuff. Doing my best to squeeze in room for my hobbies but it is difficult. Things will definitely cool down once the new year comes around, though.

I miss talking to all of you so much ;__;

In my case I was busy with work and always tired and seeing my friends irl so that left me no time to come here. Now I'm on sick leave for one more week after getting surgery in Wednesday (which went well) so I'm using that free time to get some rest at home, be online a bit more until I can go outside again soon, and play vidya. But there's barely anyone here, I just posted about SMT5 a few days ago and that's it, nobody replied yet but I'm patient. I'm looking for more fujo art of the characters too, I'm that bored, so I'll post more if I save more pics.

>>3085
Thats the case for me too, I mostly just lurk now on my lunch break at work then get back home for the never ending mountain of house chores, friends always leave my house without cleaning too so I'm not inviting them over as much. I'm waiting for the weekends mostly to start posting again but I was forced to work the last weekend so I've been away for a while. Hope you're recovering well from your surgery nonnie, get well soon!

>>3085
Happy to hear your surgery went well, feel better soon! I've actually been meaning to get into SMT as one of my friends is fucking obsessed with it and the smt5 protag is a cutie, but I don't have much free time nowadays… it will happen sometime though.

>>3082
I'm dealing with an overload of end of term assignments and procrastinating like a motherfucker on typesetting the SFX in a (non-BL) manga. I keep zoning out for hours as a shitty coping mechanism fml.

>>3082
Just too stressed and depressed, real life eats up all my drive and motivation, everything feels pointless.

>>3086
>I mostly just lurk now on my lunch break at work
I don't do that on fujochan, but on lc. I'm too worried someone will see weird shit on my phone here and one of my coworkers is a fujo or at the very least know some BL manga and anime by name, I don't want to get in trouble or whatever.

>Hope you're recovering well from your surgery nonnie, get well soon!
Thanks a lot, I'm doing better everyday so I'd say I'm doing good so far.

>>3088
I love Megaten as a whole, I'd say you can play SMT5 as your first game without any issue. The only thing you'd miss out are the very vague hints that it's a sequel of SMT3, which is not necessary at all to enjoy it. You can also start with SMT4 on the 3DS which was my first mainline game, or SMT3 if you don't mind random encounters. As for SMT4 Apocalypse, it's one of the best game in the series if not the best gameplay wise, but it's a direct sequel to SMT4 in terms of story so I absolutely recommend it but not for now. Then there are a bunch of spinoffs like Persona, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Survivor, etc.

>>3093
>I don't do that on fujochan, but on lc.
honestly i'm too scared to lurk on lc in public as i think other people will recognize the site and start thinking of me badly

>>3105
I assume it's not likely to be the case for me because it's all in English and I'm not in an English speaking country. I'm careful around my coworkers though. I even check cwc on my phone when commuting if I'm bored.