No.1141[Last 50 Posts]
>what is transwashing
Transwashing is when a character is forcefully made into trans, even if they're just gnc, homosexual, or crossdressing. When a character dresses or behaves in a way outside of the gender stereotype associated with their biological sex, oftentimes fandoms (and, even the creators themselves to appear "woke") start percieving them as trans. And, sometimes, even if those characters don't have "any sign of being trans", some people's headcannons becomes too out of control and fall into the gender ideology. This unfortunately happens to real people too.
Post those characters, discuss why they're transwashed, and vent if you want to.
No.1143
>>1141>3rd ImageAren't like most of these characters short guys?
No.1148
>>1141if u breathe u are trans
No.1149
>>1141The first image is so pathetic, if aidens really want to act manly why do they cry whenever they get a tight sportsbra
No.1154
I've noticed most of the time it's dudes who have been portrayed shirtless
No.1159
>>1143>>1158>Is because he's short>That means he's totally transAre men not allowed to be manlets or something?
No.1160
>>1159don't you know, it your a breadless, short, insecure, non-white man your basically a woman
No.1161
>>1159So you see anon, gender is fake. Anyone can be anything they want.
But also it's very real. So anyone outside of 1945 gender norm, is actually trans. This means women who have short hair are actually transmasc (not not transmen, because men are evil and masculinity is offensive)
Men with longhair are also trans. If they are slightly feminine they are 100% trans. Crossdressers, regardless of the reason (cosplay, fun, party, disguise) are trans or non binary.
No.1164
>>1141Reminds me of a certain robot husbando I have (not gonna say who in case They somehow come across this board)
He's a male character who:
-Likes bunnies
-Has a high pitched voice
-Is short
- Is the most sensitive out of his gang
And yet…whenever I look up fanart of the media he's from, my husbando is suspiciously often depicted as a Brave and Stunning Trans Gal
I just find it REAL funny how its always the not traditionally masculine male characters that get hit with the trans headcanons by "progressives"…
No.1165
>>1164They prey on the insecure men
No.1167
>>1161If gender truly is a "social construct", then why do they care so much about women shipping fictional men together? I thought gender didn't matter and that we could do whatever we wanted?
No.1168
>>1141Edit all of their trooner artwork with Super Straight Orange/Black or Super Gay Blue/Black or Super Bi Purple/Black color flags lol.
This will make them seethe.
No.1169
>>1159>>1160These days men aren't allowed to be:
>skinny>short>long haired>fair skinned>hairless>simply beautifulIf you see a character who fits at least two of these criteria, he'll be claimed by either the trans sickos or the trapfag coomer moids. It's insane how both crowds have managed to completely ruin fan content and discussion of characters like Link or Cloud, to the point where most people now have a totally distorted perception of these male characters despite the fact that up until just a few years ago they were seen as just traditional hunks. Yet somehow the people who are seen as mentally ill are the ones who consume conventional yaoi porn.
No.1170
>>1169It get worse, now they are officially altering works to change crossdressing characters and feminine men into troons
No.1171
>>1170As a person who loves femboys and traps, I hate this so much. I just wanna enjoy beautiful feminine men. I even had a friend that "joked" that I like women just because I enjoyed trap and femboy art. Fucking hate this shit.
No.1172
>>1166Lol, yeah, my taste is a little more esoteric
He's kinda cute though…
No.1173
>>1171>As a person who loves femboys and traps>I even had a friend that "joked" that I like women just because I enjoyed trap and femboy artIf the striped sock fit
No.1175
>>1174His previous videos about gay characters in videogame was good, sad he fell for the gender crap.
What annoys me about these retards is that they don't understand some people don't' want to see themselves as nu gender, they want to see themselves as men/women and it's important for them. Like women who finally get to play as an actual woman in videogame or gay men who actually get to be gay men.
No.1177
>>1175I think he's going hard on the gender crap because he almost got in hot water for "misgendering" a nonbinary woman by using her as an example of women who write m/m in his shipping video, kek
No.1178
>>1174>>1177why don't these people ever understand for most of the world, men in women's clothes is considered "funny", there are tons of comedies in my arab country where fat and ugly male characters crossdress for gags and its always presented as something ridiculous and absurd, I think the Japanese have a similar concept
No.1179
>>1177Oh makes sense. If I recall he's a gay dude and on the older side, so they tend to give less shit about this thing
No.1181
>>1175>Like women who finally get to play as an actual woman in videogame or gay men who actually get to be gay men.This hit me hard, I remember when I was a kid I was so happy I could finally be a girl in pokemon and find-out how Samus was a girl felt like a legit twist because "wow, a girl can do these things!
No.1184
Everyone in the main Lupin cast gets the trans treatment. Leaving Fujiko out because the thread's only for Male characters, but she gets it too.
Lupin: Becomes a Genderfluid Pansexual who's only shown to have interest in men because TiFs don't want to think of how shit the series is to its Female cast, so they're never at the forefront of any art or fanfiction made by Fujos. He's Genderfluid because he occasionally disguises and is Gender non-conforming, although he objectifies women nonetheless like NB Men in real life. He also gets the Trans Man treatment though it's often just a one-off comment for whatever reason if that's the case, even in porn.
Jigen: GAY Trans Man, emphasis on Gay. TiFs will swear up and down Jigen is canonically gay because he calls himself an onnagirai in Part II, and every time he's shown to have romantic "adventures?" is an act of Homophobia even if its a main part in several of Lupin III's media. He gets the treatment way more than the others. TiFs also exaggerate how he's often a bit shorter than the other guys and his emo bangs. He has two main hairstyles but TiFs flock to that one because the other hairstyle implies he's balding.
Goemon: Often just depicted with top surgery scars or with a binded chest. Never with a binder, always with bandages. Goemon x Jigen is his biggest ship and all, but it's rare to see him depicted as trans without being shipped with Jigen, who's also a trans man, and they just so happen to both pass perfectly except for their exaggerated mastectomy scars. He comes from a Traditional background so it'd break his character gag if he was a GNC woman, unfortunately.
Zenigata: Transed the least in the cast but there are some fanart and fanfiction of it. He may be avoided the attention from TiFs because he's a cop despite working for Interpol. Some TiFs say his long eyelashes is "evidence" despite men having long eyelashes usually.
Apologies for no pics but you can't trip in the shipping side of the fandom without seeing everyone trans. It's extremely prevalent.
No.1196
>>1178Not just funny, but downright uncanny.
I remember watching stuff like Obey the Walrus and LSD Dream Emulator playthroughs back in the day.
The men slathered in makeup in those vids were absolutely terrifying.
No.1199
>>1181Not sure how old you are but in majority of the games you could choose your gender.
No.1233
>>1199nta but in earlier games, female protags were very rare. Given that they're referencing metroid, I figure they're from a time where this was the case.
No.1235
>>1171>As a person who loves femboys and trapsThis is no place for you
No.1237
>>1235I get traps, but what's wrong with femboys? They are basically feminine looking boys like Venti. Are you telling me Venti porn is not fujo material
No.1240
>>1237Venti is a twink, not a femboy. He's actually very boyish and an obvious man in the game but coomer men try to meme him into a trap adjacent.
No.1241
>>1240And now they're trying to force it on Gorou… sorry, "Ms Hina"
No.1242
>>1240>>1241I'm not very much into twitter speaks, but I've seen "femboy" used for boys who are very feminine,so basically twink adjacent. For example Xinqui from GI and Venti.
No.1252
>>1159>>1169Sorry for the blogposting, but it really annoys me when Ayydens or coomer trapfag furries try to claim my husbando as one of them just because he's short, empathetic and his character arc concerns his struggle to reach an ideal of traditional masculinity in order to impress his (trophy) canon love interest while simultaneously staying true to himself. Fakebois tend to just claim Parappa is "trans masc bisexual polyam" for woke points and because of the one stage where he LARPed as a couple with his best friend in the second game (who even fell into the floor at one point after realizing that Parappa was going too far with it). Nevermind that not only is Parappa canonically confirmed to only have interest in Sunny, but also have enough jealously towards romantic rivals that it's what drove forward the plot of the games to some degree.
Meanwhile on the cooomer side there's this one ""interpretation"" of him called Parappa the Trappa (not kidding) that is exactly what it says on the tin and you'd guess it is, "it's not gay i swear!!1!!!1!" jokes included, and it honestly disgusts me just as much as the TiF art. Probably even more since at least I have yet to see titscar art of him despite there being absolutely no shortage of gratuitous flag pins and even a couple of binder drawings out there, while art of this "character" is often very explicit. [spoiler]There's even a crossover version of this character with Gothfield of all fucking characters called "Gothrappa" out there, created by the same guys, and also authentic proof that nothing is original anymore, especially in the R34 world.[/spoiler]
No.1254
>>1252Don't worry I understand your concerns as a Parappa fan too. I hope they don't get their hands on the hairdresser octopus.
No.1255
>>1252Golden rule is to block these "x of the day". 90% of the time they are some retardo spamming their head canon
No.1256
>>1254A Parappa fan? On my Fujochan?? I can't believe this, but aside from that, well… Tumblrinas, Twitterinas and Instagrammers into Parappa all obsess over Takoyama just because he's canonically gay.
There also was this incident where an email dropped claiming Lammy was trans earlier this year, and within hours of it being first posted to Twitter by a tranny it was revealed to be fake after another fan tried to contact Rodney about the identities of whoever was running that email, only for Rodney to respond that he didn't know who was controlling that email account nowadays. It's funny to see people still fall for it on Twitter, but too bad it's impossible for me to call them out on it there without being cancelled to the moon and back (not like Twitter is literally radioactive anyways).
>>1255>Golden rule is to block these "x of the day". 90% of the time they are some retardo spamming their head canonYeah, they really are. To be honest I don't even have an account there, but these accounts are really nothing but filler on the site, like most other things are.
No.1273
>>1256Hi, yet another fellow PaRappa fan here! I love seeing PaRappa talk here too, its nice being able to talk about him without coomers and tumblrinas around.
>>1252I'm honestly tired of the "PaRappa the Trappa" bullshit too. It clogs up all the good art of him. I don't want to see tranny versions of my husbandos. Its disgusting.
No.1303
>>1273>Hi, yet another fellow PaRappa fan here! I love seeing PaRappa talk here too, its nice being able to talk about him without coomers and tumblrinas around.
Hi fellow-Parappa loving nonnie! Didn't know there would be so many of you here, and same, although to be honest based from my own experiences coomers probably just play the first game and Lammy, if at all and then go back to their NSFW furry servers to post porn, the only exceptions I can think of being two people I'd rather not talk about because I'd be powerleveling. but the tumblrina plague is real and I've had to deal with them in real time quite a few times to say the least.
>I'm honestly tired of the "PaRappa the Trappa" bullshit too. It clogs up all the good art of him. I don't want to see tranny versions of my husbandos. Its disgusting.SAME, although at least we should be glad that literally everyone outside of the coomers who barely interact with the fandom, if at all considers it to be garbage coming straight out of hell, other characters aren't so lucky.
Also, I now wonder if Parappa is also your husbando… if so, I have 0 issues with it, since you seem like an actually cool person with based opinions.
No.1310
>>1252I don't even mind trapshit all that much, but Parappa the Trappa has to be the most forced attempt at trapification out there
No.1311
>>1310>I don't even mind trapshit all that muchOk moid
No.1329
>>1327It sounds more like he hasn't picked you yet and you're venting your anger on the fujoshi crowd. Get bent, nona.
No.1343
>>1303Thanks nonnie! Thank you for calling my opinions based, I appreciate it :3
Yeah, I guess I'd consider Parappa my husbando. I mean, I married a lookalike I made of him in Tomodachi Life lmao. You're pretty based as well, nonnie! Your husbando is PaRappa too, can't argue with that.
And I'm glad normal people see PaRappa the Trappa in a cringeworthy light. That whole concept was ridiculous.
I'm not sure if this is a thing, but have you noticed that tumblrinas love to swarm the fandoms of "quirky" media? Like unconventional semi-obscure stuff such as PaRappa, or Vib Ribbon.
No.1344
>>1343I think they've even swarmed to Super Galdelic Hour. I thought all that cheesecake would be far too malegazy for them…
No.1345
>>1330>"ignored">responds again anyway>>1320The third one doesn't even have anything to do with trans shit and the artist in particular was referring to traps when drawing that meme. Not sure if you knew that but let's not be disingenuous.
No.1346
>>1319
>calls someone a moid
>posts an image very obviously drawn by a moid
hmm
No.1349
>>1348Pride month is gonna suck
No.1351
>>1348I've seen this weird thing where people pseudo hetwash characters by making the "bottom" male into a "transfem" and the "top" into a "transmasc" and I actually don't know what the intention is here.
Mind you, this is with 2 canonically male guys. If you turn one into them into "trans", aren't you essentially turning the pair "het" because tranny logic dictates that trans women=women and trans men=men?
No.1352
>>1351for girls to self insert themselves as the bottom
No.1354
>>1353at least they're taking note of how shitty and dull genshin impact's designs are
No.1355
>>1343>Thanks nonnie! Thank you for calling my opinions based, I appreciate it :3Indeed, indeed!
>Yeah, I guess I'd consider Parappa my husbando. I mean, I married a lookalike I made of him in Tomodachi Life lmao. You're pretty based as well, nonnie! Your husbando is PaRappa too, can't argue with that.That's true, nonnie.
Also Tomodachi Life… I've had that game on my 3DS ever since I first hacked my 3DS (and wanted it ever since it first came out!), and I'm pretty sure I also created Parappa in it, even if I've definitely never married him.
>I'm not sure if this is a thing, but have you noticed that tumblrinas love to swarm the fandoms of "quirky" media? Like unconventional semi-obscure stuff such as PaRappa, or Vib Ribbon.Indeed, and to say I've noticed it is an understatement. If anything I think every fandom that has at least a vocal minority of female fans has literal tumblrinas in it at this point, and it's fucking tiring to the point at least one friend outside of fandom circles has noticed it.
>And I'm glad normal people see PaRappa the Trappa in a cringeworthy light. That whole concept was ridiculous.Exactly, it probably helps that it's very out of character, too.
>>1344>I think they've even swarmed to Super Galdelic Hour. I thought all that cheesecake would be far too malegazy for them…The animecore kids unironically reblog loli-adjacent stuff and either don't know about that or don't care, nothing will stop them.
No.1359
>>1355Let's hope this trend will pass. I feel the pendulum shifting slowly.
I just wanna enjoy beefcake and cheesecake in peace again.
No.1360
>>1353Anon, it's a joke about character design, stop seeing trannies everywhere. They did the same with Diona-→Yae
>>1346lmao what kind of insult is this.
No.1361
>>1353Who is the last boy? I don't remember him in the game
No.1362
>>1361shikanoin heizou, upcoming character
No.1385
>>13641. How??
2. They have different eye colors so it's absolutely not possible
No.1386
>>1385they gonna say he got eye color changing surgery or somethin
No.1393
>>1355Oooh! What does your PaRappa look like in Tomodachi Life?
Also, I am so happy that other people outside of fandom circles notice the tumblrina infestation. Just curious, what did these say about it?
Also, the animecore kids unironically reblogging loli-adjacent stuff, that's hilarious. I wonder how long it will take for them to cancel each other.
No.1397
>>1343>have you noticed that tumblrinas love to swarm the fandoms of "quirky" media?I wonder about this too. My guess is that because they're terminally online, their algorithms find them weirder media. I would say they could find the games themselves but honestly I don't think they have the knowledge to look for anything that isn't popular.
No.1398
>>1360>lmao what kind of insult is this.Trapkarens can't argue their way out of a paper bag
No.1419
I will never understand the weird ass bitches who headcanon a canonically male character into being trans, and in the same sentence they say that the character "pegs" the other male they ship then with.
Bitch, he has a canon fucking dick. He quite literally can straight up fuck with an actual PENIS.
I swear the actual reason why people do the whole trans shit isn't even for wokey reasons, It's probably because they have no idea how dicks work so in order to totally-not-self insert better they make them have a vagina….that they won't even use???
No.1420
>>1419Either that or it's a fetish.
At least I'm sure they are, what with the way they always make sure to draw the most garish top-surgery scars if they don't stuff them in a binder.
How the fuck do I spoiler text here???
No.1433
>>1397And then they invade the most obscure of fandoms, which happen to be the fandoms I'm in.
And then proceed to troon out every single male character who isn't a 100% macho man or is insecure about his masculinity. I literally saw some youtuber showing a TV show clip of a nerdy character angrily proclaiming he's a man, not a woman/dog/whatever in response to his friend teasing him and they used that and other instances of him being teased as "evidence" he was a "trans man". Not to mention all the r34 of him has him with a nasty mangina, nothing is sacred to trannies
No.1439
>>1393>Oooh! What does your PaRappa look like in Tomodachi Life?I know we are going full offtopic in here (the Parappa general in /f/ would be a much better place to talk about this), but you made me unearth my 3DS after months of not playing it just to take a picture of him, and here he is! I might have humanized him, but he's still cute, isn't he?
>Also, I am so happy that other people outside of fandom circles notice the tumblrina infestation. Just curious, what did these say about it?They aren't really that outside fandom circles, just more aligned with 4chan communities that discuss it more than anywhere else (one of them is technically no longer in the fandom he was in anymore though), but they do consider all this pushing of transing characters and politics to be really annoying and literally just projection by the people doing all of that's part. I could go on tangents about it, but I don't think it'd be much of value.
>Also, the animecore kids unironically reblogging loli-adjacent stuff, that's hilarious. I wonder how long it will take for them to cancel each other.They already are lol, trust me.
>>1397>I wonder about this too. My guess is that because they're terminally online, their algorithms find them weirder media. I would say they could find the games themselves but honestly I don't think they have the knowledge to look for anything that isn't popular.I think the people that get into "qwirky" media are more often than not also NLOG to some degree or another, they seek out the weird "obscure and niche" media in order to "not be like the other fandom kids" who enjoy "the popular media". As someone who tends to get into older and/or less well known stuff I've noticed this pattern even on myself.
>>1420It's literally projection. These people are so terminally online that lack any sort of real self identity and project themselves into fictional characters and vice versa in order to cope with it instead of facing it.
>>1433>And then proceed to troon out every single male character who isn't a 100% macho man or is insecure about his masculinity. I literally saw some youtuber showing a TV show clip of a nerdy character angrily proclaiming he's a man, not a woman/dog/whatever in response to his friend teasing him and they used that and other instances of him being teased as "evidence" he was a "trans man". Exactly. I swear many of these TiFs have never had male friends, let alone brothers, since I firmly believe that the reason why then trans every male character that isn't a 6 foot tall Chad is because they literally don't know how male socialization works.
No.1446
>>1439Waait, are you Parappachan from LC?
No.1465
>>1439Nonnie, he's so CUTE!! :3
I gotta show you mine, on the PaRappa thread!!
Also, I agree on the the TiFs having no idea on male socialization. It explains a lot on how they too don't think effeminate men are "real" men
No.1479
>>1465Thanks! I really find it hypocritical how they claim effeminate men are always trans or should transition to female, then these Ayydens proceed to be even more effeminate than them. My GNC ass can only cringe.
No.1492
>>1184I've been a long time Lupin fan, and while I'm glad within the last few years it's been slowly getting more popular the English fanbase is total trash. No regards for the actual characters at all. It's like they can't deal with the fact that Lupin is a Bond-tier womanizer. LoopZoop is a great pairing, but please stop making Lupin a gay stripper with no interest in woman. If you can't write the character with his canon flaws don't even bother.
>>1320Speaking of traps though while I tend to enjoy canon ones (usually unwilling ones lol) I'm sick of them getting transwashed. The characters already are gender-nonconforming, isn't that a good thing for these people? The people who do it to Maryia piss me off the most since the character is very much traditionally masculine as has plot related reasons to wear woman's clothing.
For all of them though it is completely whittling away character complexity because of their surface-level looks. Terribly regressive imo.
No.1493
>>1492>The characters already are gender-nonconforming, isn't that a good thing for these people?No, zoomers who got groomed by tumblr get told over and over that being "cis" is bad and they start to see crossdessers are traitors
No.1527
>>1525Because they're "too nice to be cis" or because they don't fall in line with the archaic gender roles this type crowd claim to be against
No.1529
>>1527Sometimes its just cause their the bottoms in most ship dynamics so they hc'd as trans by self projecting aydens
No.1531
>>1530Nice, time to vomit.
No.1554
i'm forever glad that troons are usually antis and usually hate age gap ships, so they stay away from the ships i like.
No.1563
>>1141What does the "It finally came" I'm the OP mean?
I've noticed a lot characters who get transwashed tend to be villians or misogynistic canonically.
Like people are ashamed for liking them or something.
No.1564
>>1563I think the "IT CAME!!!!!!!!" refers to the binder
No.1566
>>1563tbf misogynistic perverts being TIMs is actually accurate
No.1659
>>1563Is Adachi meant to be ftm or a mtf in this? Because I also saw the trend of Aidens trooning misogynistic male characters into ftm in other fandoms.
The strangest one I saw was multiple Aidens transing and "kinning"
I hate that word Vulpes from Fallout New Vegas, such a strange character choice to make trans. I actually enjoy his character in the game too, but I don't know why just liking a character that's morally and physically different than you is so hard for these people. They make every character into the same person with a different coat of paint. Just let some characters be assholes, for god's sake.
>>1566Also, this.
No.1660
>>1659FtM. Probably as a way to recontexualize his hatred of women as distaste for being seen as one as opposed to just being a lonely incel.
Seen that same logic applied to Joker of all characters someone swore up and down in a (now deleted because they couldn't handle the heat) twitter thread that Joker was a gay trans man who felt the need to conform to male standards. They claimed that Joker was a deeply closeted characters, which isn't an unusual reading, but then went on to use that fact to explain him being abusive to Harley and raping Barbara in Killing Joke.
Truly baffling take.
No.1723
Fandom was a mistake basically
>>1660>>1679kek what is this shit. I swear they just make their Problematic Fav trans in order to make them less bad.
In what world would a man saying "I won't be your pimp" supposed to be an epic takedown during the 2010s? This kind of shit can only exist in the 2020s with the insane spread of nlogs.
No.1811
>>1554Similar luck here, they mostly like twinks but I don't like them so none of the ships I into were sullied and reinterpreted by them so far. Lucky me, the trans-community is inherently scared of masculine soldiers and warriors.
Also hot take but I genuinely believe that most of these people are just female self-inserters that force their yume shit into series with men by transifying one of them because they cannot relate to characters that aren't feminine.
No.1830
>>1811tbh i used to be the kind of person who adored the most popular ships in any fandom, but these days, i am beginning to appreciate less popular ships as they often have a small and chill fanbase and are not ruined by weirdos
No.1834
>>1833I laughed out loud when I read this because you put it into words so perfectly.
No.1850
>>1830I wish there was some kind of potion I could drink that would make me like a big fandom's most popular ship. I used to not have this "problem" but the last few large fandoms I've even remotely been interested in have been x/y dominated when for whatever reason I really prefer y/z. You are very correct about rarepairs being chill though. I enjoy the solidarity but sometimes I really miss being paralyzed by choice when I go to the Ao3 tag.
>>1811>Lucky me, the trans-community is inherently scared of masculine soldiers and warriors. It's been leaking in over the years. I see it a lot on the masculine men in popular westernshit (Overwatch, MCU), so it's not that big of a loss.
No.1855
>>1833Honestly this, people conflate fujos with aidens all the time but to me they just seem like people who took self-insertion way too far.
No.1871
Y'all notice how the transwashing of certain characters also comes along with the whole idea of kinning characters? Where some people project themselves onto a character so much and literally think themselves as them? I've noticed that there are some similarities with transwashing and kinning. It is often the younger, less masculine male characters who get transwashed. This is also the same with kinning. These are also the types of characters that people "kin" with the most.
No.1872
>>1871Wish we could go back to when it was okay to make fun of kinnies. The whole concept reminds me of the final fantasy house lol
No.1874
Headcanons are a perfectly fine thing. There are certain people who take it too far and act as if it's canon when others have their own HC of a character. It goes for anything.
No.1878
>>1874I don't think trangenderism is valid IRL under any circumstances, but I am chill with people having headcanons. My issue is though that they never tag their shit properly and often they'll attack you because if you disagree or think that their "proof" that the character is trans is explained differently by canon then you're labeled a terrible person.
I also just don't think most people who hold these headcanons interact with the franchise they're talking about in good faith. It's one thing if you're actually convinced Dipper is 100% trans and write your 1000 word twitter manifesto on the topic. Its another thing when people who have never played P4 scream over fans that Naoto is totally a man because they failed to engage with the themes of her character arch.
No.1880
>>1879I'm with you, nona, I like Bridget for similar reasons so when I saw the news earlier today I thought it was such a cop-out.
>I just wish these characters were allowed to just exist.Too real. To me, since it's fiction and fiction has aesops within writing and character design, changing a character like this does come across as defying its own narrative statement, suddenly this character previously just existing becomes this random unspoken "if you're like this too, we were wrong, don't be anymore. :)" and the inconsistency of this storytelling irritates me to no end. It also comes across conveniently deaf to how certain fans appreciate Bridget as a character.
The only thing that is consistent within these "transing characters" PR stunts is that they are all done for quick cash in favour of telling a good story. It's like the moment that happens I don't tend to have much hope for an increase in quality afterwards because they're relying on crossed fingers to begin with.
(Another thing related to this trend is that I know this is going to put normie irl trans people on the spot again as the most annoying people on earth because some extremely online loud minority fans are yelling on their behalf lol rip.)
No.1881
>>1879>>1880Am I missing something here, I'm not a deranged anti trap-fag Bridget was thr original draw a girl and call it a boy character
No.1882
>>1881Nta, but they rewrited him as a tranny even though (if I remember correctly) he always refered to himself as a boy.
No.1883
>>1882I understand that, like he was a trap character and now they straight up made him into MTF(I hate this also btw on principle)
No.1884
>>1879If it can make you feel a bit better, from what I've seen, if you get the good ending in his route(?) by not losing once he says he's a guy. Apparently the parts where he says he's a girl are either sarcasm or scenes in his bad ending where he loses confidence because the player lost too many fights. I'm not into fighting games in general, I only pirated a Guilty Gear game on the DS a long time ago and forgot about it, but I've seen people talk about it on twitter so I looked it up.
No.1885
>>1881Literally just got announced as a MtF for the newest DLC on their current game. This is 100% not just a localization thing as the Mar-symbol on his habit was replaced with a trans symbol.
Again upsetting as hell, maybe it's just my nostalgia for the character, but it feels like such a soulless and frankly sexist interpretation.
If I may put on my tinfoil hat for a second maybe Arc System is aware of his legacy as a originator of the online trap-culture and wants to distance themselves from a term people call a slur? That would require caring about the English speaking world though so it's probably stretch.
It might just be an unfortunate direction for the character as he is a lot more clearly a boy in a dress in earlier entires but slowly grows more feminine over time.
>>1880>The only thing that is consistent within these "transing characters" PR stunts is that they are all done for quick cash in favour of telling a good story. It's like the moment that happens I don't tend to have much hope for an increase in quality afterwards because they're relying on crossed fingers to begin with. This exactly. Absolutely soulless marketing stunt, this a new consumer demographic companies are tapping into and we are going to see a lot more reboots and entries in franchises over the years of series turning feminine men into women to win over the wallets of people.
No.1887
>>1879it irritates me so much and it reminds me of this post. trannies don't "live in my head rent free", they kick down the door and shit on the carpet.
i've been arguing against "people" who insisted he was an "egg" for literal goddamn years and now i can't even do it anymore. us trapfags always lose.
>I much prefer sfw traps who don't have an agenda. It doesn't need to be a grand statement on the nature of gender and it doesn't need to indicate a character is trans.>I just wish these characters were allowed to just exist.same! just be feminine without it being a personality trait
>>1884>from what I've seen, if you get the good ending in his route(?) by not losing once he says he's a guy.just sat through a bunch of awful dubbing but the ending still feeds into troon agenda, only because it's vague as hell and involves bridget wanting to "find himself/be true to himself".
i guess you could also interpret it as him no longer wanting to cross-dress, though.
No.1888
>>1885>Both gender ambiguous female favourites canonically trooned out in 2022I always whined about Bridget and Testament not appearing in the new games but seeing this they should've just stayed dead. What a fucking monkey paw curse.
>That would require caring about the English speaking world though so it's probably stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if it's localization wanting to cash in on the trans trend and asking them if it's okay, and Japan having a different idea of gender and its own history with pederasty and okama culture just said "sure" not fully realizing the agenda. I don't know, I just want to cope that Japanese game studios aren't poisoned with tranny brain worms.
No.1889
>>1879I don't have a horse in this race but due to Bridget's, uh, "cultural" status it hit me somewhere deep and old regardless. It's like if they put a burqa on Tifa. Messing with a weeb icon.
No.1890
>>1889>it's like if they put a burqa on TifaDon't care for traps but that's exactly how I felt. Bridget is a classic trap, really painful to see.
>>1888What really bothered me about Testament was all the people saying "Uhm acksually Testament was always supposed to be androgynous" he looks just like a girl now, there is nothing boyish about him except for the flat chest and that's it. Literally the flat chested futa people complain all the time about.
The original was effeminate enough, can't understand people who defend this shit.
No.1892
>>1891I don't know much about ensemble stars but it was made official in the official English translation? I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole. Translators and localizers who get paid by the creators and authors to do their job need to stop being so retarded. It's a miracle they didn't troon out Forrest in FE Fates despite them trying to make the canon bi characters less gay for similar reasons. What's next, we're going to have new official translations of Princess Jellyfish that will make Kuranosuke an actual tranny?
No.1893
>>1892IIRC The demo version of the english version site that got leaked referred to him as "he" but during the official launch it had been changed to "she". The reasoning is that he uses "atashi" to refer to himself in Japanese which is traditionally used by women, but it's also used by stereotypically gay men like okamas, cross dressers and just generally trying to do cutesy baby talk.
No.1902
>>1891>>1893atashi's like the best example of what happens when normalfags get into jp media. i've known about okama shit for a long time, bc i've been a weeb since forever, but they've never heard of it so they apply their western conventions to the trope
No.1903
>>1902>atashi**arashi, fuck
No.1904
>>1893>>1902>>1903Bridget uses uchi, not atashi, because they're trying to distance him from okama culture. He used to use boku.
I think regardless of trans intent or not it comes off as kind of nasty. I think my personal issue with it(being a mild arcsys lorefag) is that if you completely disregard what's in his pants the narrative turns into
>i was forcibly raised as a girl under pain of death >i want to be manlier, and not die, so i will leave my home and prove that me being a man isn't worthy of death >i succeeded in making my village not want to kill me for being a man>Guess I should give up on being a man and be a woman which is absolutely not the 'good trans rep' everyone seems to be screaming it is, it's nightmarish. I think critical thinking has completely left people- they just want the shallow label and spectacle.
I personally read the 'good' arcade ending as being more about Bridget identifying as 'himself' rather than as a woman, so i think the intent was that he accepts being on the cusp between masculine and feminine rather than being conflicted about manly ideals- thus the androgyny symbol (not trans) on the hoodie.
of course a take like this would get me lynched on social media though. i don't know why the western world is so hung up on presentation to the point an otokonoko is inconceivable to them.
No.1905
>>1904I personally find it fucking stupid because Bridget being a woman makes it feel like… the villagers weren't actually wrong? If Bridgette is a transwoman, then the ultimate reason Bridgette got to live is because she was never a man, and therefore the twins weren't two boys.
No.1906
>>1904From how I interpreted it as well was that the bad ending is Bridget accepting his fate and living a lie as a girl while the good ending is him being true to himself and continuing as a boy. It utterly escapes me how blind these "Bridget is a brave trans woman" retards are to their own bigoted views and lack of media literacy.
>i don't know why the western world is so hung up on presentation to the point an otokonoko is inconceivable to them.I guess a lot of them don't know about Japan and its history with crossdressing (often underage) male concubines feudal lords held because women were only meant to be broodmares and not sexual partners. So they just see otoko no ko characters and their mind goes immediately to muh trans representation.
No.1907
Not really trans-washing, but maybe even worse.
I'm… so sad that people from the fanbase of Ouran Highschool Host Club think that Haruhi (the main protagonist of the anime, also in image related) is genderfluid. She knows very well that she is a girl and the only reason she wears a boy's uniform is because they gave her one to join the club, also she joins it not because she wanted to flirt with other girls, but because she has to pay for the vase she broke. The reason that she lets others call her "he" is because she has to hide from the fact that she is female from the customers of the club. Hate the fact that they think she's genderfluid just because she switches between "boyish" and "girly" clothes in different episodes - as if clothes are the thing that determine what gender you are.
I'm also quite sad that this braindead article claims her father is a drag queen, while he is simply an okama (a crossdresser that serves other men under a fake female name), nowhere in the anime or manga is written that he performs drag queen shows for money.
I love this show, but the fanbase is killing me.
If you want to rot your brain with the article:
https://www.cbr.com/ouran-high-school-host-club-ryoji-groundbreaking-lgbtq-parent/ No.1908
>>1907another case of normies colonizing something and attempting to ruin it… i hate them so much
No.1909
>>1893That's dumb as fuck. First person pronouns and third person pronouns aren't the same thing, it's like people unironically calling James Charles and Jeffree Star "she" and "her" just because they're flaming gay guys who use gay slang.
No.1910
Why is it the case that in like EVERY SINGLE FANDOM I'm in about a Western piece of media its always filled with gendies. That proceed to force everybody else to cater to their sensitivities and throw hissy fits if you make a headcanon they're "uncomfy" with.
In addition, all of a sudden there's prerequisites for interacting with the rest of the fandom. I need to pretend to follow along with their gender bs just to not get ostacized by all the other fans of (obscure media here) due to their retarted "terf meanies dni >>>:(" hive mind
>>1907I hate this too. My ex used to call her "nonbinary". The same ex who broke up with me cuz I wouldn't believe in my heart that she was 1000% genderfluid lmao.
No.1911
>>1910>I need to pretend to follow along with their gender bs just to not get ostacized by all the other fans of (obscure media here) due to their retarted "terf meanies dni >>>:(" hive mindThis doesn't seem like it's worth it and I say that as somebody who has a very high tolerance of gender identity politics. In my experience the loudest ones don't even produce fanart/fic/discourse worth consuming, if they even produce anything at all.
No.1912
>>1910>1000% genderfluidI don't believe that being genderfluid is real, because the gendies who proclaim they are use harmfull gender stereotypes to show whenever they are a woman or a man on said day - an example is how when they're a "man" they dress masculine, don't shave, use cologne instead of perfume, and when they're a "woman" they completely switch to the opposite, thus reinforcing the hurtfull mindset "girls like pink, boys like blue".
>I need to pretend to follow along with their gender bs just to not get ostacized by all the other fans of (obscure media here) due to their retarted "terf meanies dni >>>:(" hive mindI know your pain, I'm in the paleontological community and there are just so many gendies here that it's unbelievable.
A lot of them are now protesting againts scientists/paleontologists who categorize extinct animals if they were male or female, because "what if the animal suffered from dysphoria/what if the animal was trans", and there was a giant outcry because one archeologist determined that a human skeleton from around 250 years ago was female, one trans activist even claiming that the practice of using a dead person's remains to find out if it was female or male should be illegal.
One of my favourite paleoartists had to close all of their platforms just because they said that trans women aren't real women.
No.1913
>>1912> protesting againts scientists/paleontologists who categorize extinct animals if they were male or female, because "what if the animal suffered from dysphoria/what if the animal was trans",You can’t just say that without proof that’s a whole new level of stupid
No.1914
>>1910Fandoms are so concentrated on the same websites which all have the exact same cultures. Reddit used to be a good alternative to the crazies but not anymore it joined the homogeneous culture of fandom with a moid touch. Someone has to create a website for fandom discussion yet allows people that to shit on this bs.
No.1915
>>1914Tumblr was fine with the right filters. With the exception of a few womanchildren who would tag their hate for the lulz or whatever, the prevailing common courtesy was adding every tag under the sun to a post so people could block it if they wanted to. Some people even had their own personal "shutupblogowner" tags if you wanted to follow them for their art but didn't care for the discourse they'd drag in sometimes.
I'm still so assblasted about the nsfw ban. I didn't realize how good we had it until it was gone.
No.1921
>>1907>I'm also quite sad that this braindead article claims her father is a drag queen, while he is simply an okama (a crossdresser that serves other men under a fake female name), I mean I get what you saying, but that feels like splitting airs. Also Okama sucks so it's hilarious to see western praise what is an essentially a homophobic stereotype.
No.1922
>>1910>Why is it the case that in like EVERY SINGLE FANDOM I'm in about a Western piece of media its always filled with gendies. That proceed to force everybody else to cater to their sensitivities and throw hissy fits if you make a headcanon they're "uncomfy" with. It's just the latest social trend. Add to that women (I know people here won't like to admit it) are the most voluble when it comes to these social trends, that's how you get 90% of the female fandom identity as non binary or whatever.
If it makes you feel better they are not actually trans, they are quite literally straight girls who want to feel special, like those dudes who claim to be native American because they did a DNA test and found out their grandfather was 1% native.
No.1929
I have a friend who is very into making characters trans.
Mostly for porn reasons but I just am really really not fond of PiV shit in my fucking gay porn.
I don't have the heart to tell her so I half-heartedly try to avoid the subject but I don't fucking know why it became so strangely common lately to find fanart that just be default interprets the character as trans or with trans characteristics not even tagged. You're looking at an innocent fanart of the character being shirtless, and of fucking course you see the barely disguised chest surgery scars.
Or people just make jokes (kinda like she does) like "(his) uterus" "(his) clit" just as the default, like you are meant to know the character is trans. That as long as you talk to the person, the character will be trans in their mind and you won't move them from that.
Idk, for one, I'm not attracted to women so I don't like woman characteristics like a vagina.
And second, I like BL partly because it lets me take control over MEN. These things that I fear, I make vulnerable and make them get hurt. If they were secretly women it just loses the whole point for me.
Maybe some people make characters trans to cope with that fear "there's no way this guy is a man, it has to secretly be a woman" but god damn it can't you at least tag your shit as trans
No.1930
>>1929>Maybe some people make characters trans to cope with that fear "there's no way this guy is a man, it has to secretly be a woman"I've noticed that a lot of the characters that are turned into troons by fans are feminine males, because trannies just can't fathom the idea of a character that isn't gender non-conforming and not be linked with the tran's movement. I despite it especially when it's done to submissive male characters.
No.1947
>>1929I like cocks so I incidentally enjoy some futa. It's funny getting free clout from people who like ~trans headcanons~ when I post my het-tagged "m/f" (his cock/her cock) work. At the end of the day it's all just practice for my problematic yaoi fetish.
No.2028
I know that it may be childish to feel irritated by something like this but I just need to vent for a second.
There's a new anime movie that came out recently. I didn't like the movie but I loved one of the characters to death. I searched fanfics of him on AO3 and believe me… 80%-90% of the fanfics he's in portray him as trans (female to male). I also noticed that a lot of the trannie fics are made by the same user, so this gives me a glimpse of hope that actually good fics will pop up when more people see the movie.
>>1168 Are you a Dragon Ball fan?
No.2032
>>2028I don't understand why the site doesn't allow you to set tags that can be excluded by default from searches. People who hate problematic stuff don't have to see rape and abuse, and those of us who hate transbended characters can avoid them.
Win-win for everybody.
No.2037
>>2036Dragon ball super: super hero.
Believe me, don't lose your time with this trash, it's filled with cringe jokes and unserious characters.
The character I liked is Gamma 2, but he dies so you really should not bother with the movie.
I'm thankfull I pirated it instead of giving money for a cash-cow series.
No.2061
>>1929I would suggest respectfully saying "Hey I'm not into that and really don't want to see it" but even then no matter how nice you are people will still call you transphobic so really there's no winning. Just saying you don't like v*g is a heartfelt offense to them, but at least if you say it maybe your friend will have the courtesy to not talk about it around you.
No.2067
>>1910>In addition, all of a sudden there's prerequisites for interacting with the rest of the fandom. I need to pretend to follow along with their gender bs just to not get ostacized by all the other fans of (obscure media here) due to their retarted "terf meanies dni >>>:(" hive mindThank God. Somebody who finally fucking gets it. I just gave up on fitting in with them recently and was in mourning. Reading that somebody else is pissed off about it makes me feel so relieved.
I was wondering where all the old sensible fujos went.
No.3902
Wow I can't believe this thread has been inactive for a year.
Something I've noticed a lot more lately is that people for some fucking reason love to turn men into lesbians? Either they believe they're transfem or transmasc (never a man, of course) but still ship them either with a woman (because hetshipping is cringe, only good if they're trans! If I convince myself the very obvious male character is a woman my hetship is lesbian ship!) or with another man, who most of the time is also fucking trans but they're uwu lesbians.
Whats with this obsession with fucking lesbians? Can't you enjoy men fucking each other in the ass?
No.3903
>>3902They do it to brag about liking lesbian characters without actually liking lesbian characters.
No.3904
>>3902>inactive for a year.mildly off-topic, but it was actually fairly active before the last raid happened. we just lost a lot of it due to the lack of a recent backup.
you’re totally right on the lesbian thing, though. i’ve noticed this whole trend of performative interest in yuri lately, and i think that’s a part of it. no one is actually drawing or writing or reccing legitimate yuri; they’re just slapping the lesbian flag on men and captioning random shit with that “this too is yuri” meme that’s overtaken half my tumblr dash as of late. it’s so bizarre.
No.3907
>>3902>>3903I've noticed this too.
For the last so many years I have witnessed the most random women on the planet either fake-identifying as lesbians to get away from men (twitter), or for feminism purposes (facebook/tumblr sometimes), or you get the most random women on the planet making mtf/f pairings and calling it lesbian (despite being straight with extra steps), or they make them mtf/mtf and call them lesbians (despite the fact they would be gay), or they slap a flag on a male character or idol and call him an honorary lesbian, or they just talk about… stars circling each other and say "this too, is yuri" like
>>3904 spoke of.
I've also seen this happen with two female alligators on reddit, and a tweet of two trees holding each other up on twitter with the same caption of "this too, is yuri". I go download a zine from someone's blog. I see the same tree tweet. But this time it's captioned with "NO! THIS IS YAOI. If yuri is absence, then yaoi is presence." I actually mass logged out of everything after that and made some lunch. But yeah no one is drawing actual yuri and are just doing the bare minimum shitposting.
Random but sometimes I feel the real lesbians and bisexuals of the internet should take a step back from arguing with trannies and such and train to be artists for 10 years.
No.3934
>>3907>'If yuri is absence, then yaoi is presence.'This pisses me off. There's some bullshit going around lately that "lesbians" only like angsty suffering "wlw content" and so it's become some meme that REAL yuri is dark and fucked up. So the 'yuri is absence' is just some stupid crap related to that. I hate the obsession with lesbianism as some identity for woke cred, it's fucking tiresome and nonsensical.
>Real lesbian artistsA lot of lesbians are fujos, actually, they're just quiet about it. I sideye any artist online that is loud about being a lesbian or uses terms like 'wlw'. I mostly draw women myself these days because I like to, because I feel like there isn't a lot of good yuri in the wild (especially butch rep). But I used to draw nothing but yaoi and I still do now and again on side accounts, kek.
No.3936
>>3907>>3934>'If yuri is absence, then yaoi is presence.'this phrase also just acts as a repackaging of the classic “men’s sexuality is active, whereas women’s is entirely passive” bullshit.
No.3946
>>3945It's just tif projecting. I've seen it too. Hashihime got a bit popular nowadays and given he's a soft spoken japanese man with a basic designs, tif immediately jumped on him.
No.3947
>>3945It’s been a while since I’ve played hashihime but iirc Minakami was struggling with same sex attraction and mentioned that he was a woman in his past life. The maid trap character was homophobic, Tamamori wanted to help him get gender reassignment surgery and uses female pronouns for him at one point because he enjoys putting on a wig and a maid dress. His "mother" is being treated as a woman the entire game even after it was revealed that he’s actually male and cross dresses because of, again, homophobia.
Imo the game sends a weird message and honestly I can understand where these people are coming from. I’ve never interacted with any hashihime fans but I knew I’d see minakami being called "transfemme" if I did.
No.3949
>>3944I don't read One Piece, is Oda really obsessed with trannies the way they're obsessed with him? Everyone thinks that Yamato chick is a ~no-op transman~ even though I'm pretty sure she's been put in illustrations featuring all the One Piece girls.
No.3950
>>3949He has a character (based on Frank-N-Furter and some okama he met) that can turn people into their opposite sex. And he's the leader of the island of okamas, basically drag queen island, full of the ugliest men in dresses you have ever seen.
No.3951
>>3944Ain't gonna slow down any time soon since they've cast a woman as him in the Netflix show.
No.3952
>>3951I REFUSE to believe that's him. Where's the fluffy coat? Where's the cigar? His single earring? God I fucking hate that theory so much
No.3953
>>3907Good advice. I've been learning how to draw just so I can see more M/M porn with actual men in it. I'm so tired of every talented artist being a tranny and having to see their self-insert zippertits/mancunt art.
No.3954
>>3947>It’s been a while since I’ve played hashihime but iirc Minakami was struggling with same sex attraction and mentioned that he was a woman in his past life. Minakami was a lesbian in a past life. And a fish, and a bird. He's never treated as anything but a guy in the game, it's just that the theme of his character is reincarnation so lived countless lives.
No.3955
>>3947Also never interacted with Hashihime fans, but the same goes for UUUltra C due to all the weird shit in the second route. Hashihime I wouldn't expect this type of thing for compared to UC though, I thought it would be too "problematic" for westerners?
No.3956
>>3955VN are fairly niche so you don't run into the same retards are most BL manga.
No.3958
>>3957Picrel is too true lol. They love using the words "yaoi" "yuri" etc these days but start crying and throwing up once you say you're a fujoshi or hint at reading BL. You mock us yet you use our terminology? Jej the jokes write themselves.
No.3959
>>3957>>3958this is why i'm always wary of anyone who boasts about liking "old man yaoi" as if it was something special or unique. They're -always- anti-fujo.
No.3960
>>3959Aww I didn't realize that was a new anti's dogwhistle, it's a letdown. For me I just love ossans, so I was excited for old man yaoi getting more traction
No.3962
>>3961I think they just mean they like melodramatic, sad stories that have some hand holding scenes at most and they're too dumb to express that with the right words. You know they'd have a heart attack when seeing a Harada or Asada Nemui manga.
No.3963
>>3957Very amusing that 97% of critique towards yaoi/yuri and women enjoying their gay pairings comes from the most annoying progressive women and Aydens.
Most gay men simply don't care that much, they do express a degree of annoyance towards it, but it is these two groups cited that love to write how much fetishism harms gay men.
Also, the same people who would call you a bigot for thinking kink doesnt belong on pride parades.
No.3965
>>3964I like weeb shit so I do find it sort of convenient to have websites used by people all over the world so I can only follow grown women from Asia and Europe and I got used to blocking anyone who seems a little too annoying but it sucks that there are more and more of these vocal idiots who whine when they see a BL that isn't about male teenagers or young adults holding hands and kissing each other on the cheeks and where the biggest conflict between the two is that one of them has better grades than the other at school.
No.3966
>>3964>>3961I love Trikey. Nobody will ever get them the way they get each other. I hope they make even a small appearance in 6.
No.4010
>>1910I know it's been a year but I just wanted to vent for a second. God I HATE these people! How are there so many of them?! I have been pushed out of several friend groups centered around anime at this point because of gender politics. Why am I seemingly alone in my vitriol? Even the halfway normal people accept shit as is and never speak up even when they hear some dumb ass shit.
I know I'm going to be found out again soon. I just wanna create in peace with some cool fujo friends who foam at the mouth about boys being pretty cocksuckers. Christ.
No.4015
>>4010It's the worst and you can't even state your distaste or have any sort of critique about it in public or else you'll get handmaidens and aidens losing their fucking minds. I HATE walking on eggshells. I HATE that you can't trust anyone because they may be secret TRAs or something else.
No.4016
>>4015i hate it too, but tbh i’ve just started blocking artists/writers who produce the most trans shit and continue to quietly follow and support artists who portray characters as they are in canon. it’s done wonders for my sanity and thus far, no one’s bothered to ask why my blog/account is all “”cis”” characters. maybe this won’t work if you’re more looking for fandom friends and stuff, but it’s definitely worked in terms of clearing gendies from my socmed feeds.
No.4017
>>4015Trust, God. I trusted some fellow fujo once and she went on to drag my name through mud because I felt top surgery was drastic. These people… I already slipped up and mentioned not agreeing with some political point in casual conversation with a friend and already I can't feel my nerves winding tight. Like, oops.
>>4016Yeah that's a great way to keep it off your timeline. I just mostly want companionship though, the kind you can turn off and put in your pocket when you're not in the mood for brainrot.
No.4018
>>4010Always filled with gendies and people raceswapping characters, finding good fanfiction without the usual trans bullshit in many fandoms is an herculean work.
No.4019
>>4018is there a fandom that has been left untouched tbh
No.4024
>>4020I was in Japan Expo this year and the artist valley had so many gendies, it was unreal. I understand your pain very well, I did find cool artists with cool prints and merch so thankfully I had a good experience overall. But man, trying to buy art of my favourite ships and seeing an artist booth full of zippertits art really made me uncomfortable.
>>4021Milotic is my favourite Pokémon and Sylveon is my favourite eeveelution, I really hate how trannies have appropriated a colour scheme. It's a very nice looking combinations of colours but I can't use it with how tainted it is.
No.4025
>>4024I went to Japan Expo last year just for two days and I noticed that too. Seems like the good artists were the foreign ones and I assume bad French artists who have easy access to Paris just applied for shit and giggle because it was obvious that most people avoided them compared to good booth. I was talking about the Y/con actually, still in Paris. Sure they invited Hamletmachine and that girl who wrote Captive Prince (which I need to finish someday) but while they're sort of famous and competent they're also gendies or agree with that shit too. Last year they invited a drag queen I think.
No.4026
>>4025Damn, I haven't thought of Hamletmachine in a long time. Last time I did was back when I was still on tumblr and read Starfighter. Just looked at her twitter page and I definitely see what you mean.
No.4027
>>4026Last time I checked her twitter she was posting some JJK fanart with one of the guy being trans, but not even in an unrealistic way like he has a dick but mastectomy scars, he was straight up a petite woman with perky breasts and a normal looking vagina. I don't watch or read JJK but the character is obviously a man in all the screenshots I saw. I gave up on her when she posted some weird bestiality shit with a guy being raped by a giant insect and she called it queer art or some shit kek. What a waste of a good art style.
No.4028
>>4025I've actually never heard of Y/con before, it looks like a great idea to have a yaoi only con. I got curious and the next one is gonna be in like a few weeks, but then I see that one of their guests is zippertits cosplayer with scars on full display and she's gonna have a panel about body acceptance for gendies. Man, that's sad.
No.4029
>>4028It's about both yaoi and yuri, hence the name. When I went there long ago tranny shit wasn't all that popular yet but the con goers were all fujoshi who pretended they liked yuri as much as yaoi out of political correctness and it was obvious they were ameriboos raised on tumblr. I just checked their twitter account again and I didn't even notice the enby (female)cosplayer as a guest, we're fucking doomed. Official translation of pic rel, they post their tweets in English and French:
>@DocteurPralinus (the fakeboi), multifaceted artist and researcher specializing in YAOI/BL and @popek_julia (the male troon), who studies the history of shōjo manga with a strong interest in horror, yuri and erotica.
>Julia Popek: See you at Y/CON at the beginning of November for my first appearance as a duo. We'll talk about yuri manga and sapphic monsters with Docteur Pralinus. No.4030
>>4027>a guy being raped by a giant insectI liked it lol. He looked like a HM version of, like, Gary Oak. I feel like the "queer art" label over BL/GL/monsterfucker/mtf/ftm/futa/cuntboy/whatever is kind of a red flag these days. The art can still be good but to me the phrase itself has transformed from an umbrella term to this kinda performative but also scummy "if you are QUEER or a QUEER ALLY you must only think nice things about this QUEER ART, also here is my store" vibe that I don't like. I noticed it on book Twitter first (because it's full of shills and terrible, never look at book Twitter) but art Twitter is not immune to it.
I'm not even a terf I'm just super autismo about tags and am so mad that, of all the tumblr culture that was imported to Twitter, appropriate tagging was lost.
No.4031
>>4028>with scars on full display ??? the only shirtless pic she has is super edited, you don't have to lie about this to be pissed off about it, nona.
No.4032
>>3958>>3959The entire yaoi/yuri meme was a mistake. Now people will call actual BL yuri if it's fluffy, they'll call boring hetero fluff "yuri" because it's wholesome, then they'll take a big shit on yaoi and fujos. They made yuri into a virtue signaling term, and then the same people melt down when a GL webtoon or manga has fucked up themes like incest or actual noncon.
No.4034
>>3963I'm surprised you found a MtF. Most MtF tend to be into yuri in my experience.
>>4028Oh god what
No.4035
>>4032I've seen people defending fujos more and more lately which I am happy for but I wish they'd stop using fujo terms so loosely. It's just annoying and half the time they have no idea what they're talking about.
No.4040
>>4035Half the time they mean yumes or husbandofags, which are not the same
No.4041
>>4034I cannot wait for trans shit to go out of style. It'll make for an interesting difference between generations of weebs.
No.4101
>>4100> but at the same time I'm sure the con goers who are complaining about them wouldn't be able to look at them in the eyes for more than 1 second without having a panic attack.lmao yeah these kids on the internet are only tough ON the internet, they're all psychotic nutjobs one insult away from suicide irl.
No.4161
Slightly off topic but the talk of stepping on egg-shells in fandom spaces made me realize that fujosisters should have some sort of discord server or something so we could all talk to one another without being bothered by Aydens. It would be perfect. I'd only be afraid of moids sneaking into the server but in most cases you can easily tell who is and who isn't a moid. Gendies are very obvious too (they can never shut up about their sexuality), so it should be easy to filter them.
>>4100This sounds unbearable, nonnas who are considering going to this, please don't subject yourselves to this cancer.
No.4162
>>4161There was a discord server going around in lolcow's fujo thread but I'm not sure about it's current state. It'd probably be best for nonnas on here to join that or have the two communities merge together since there's a lot of overlap and many of us came over from LC anyway.
No.4163
>>4162I personally wouldn't want to be in an Lolcow server, they're much meaner than the girls on fujochan.
No.4165
>>4161>that fujosisters should have some sort of discord server or something so we could all talk to one another without being bothered by Aydens. Every time somebody says this, a discord gets made, and nobody actually talks. I'm precisely in a fujochan discord that was created a little over a year? An it's absolutely 100% dead. O
NOBODY talks. Everyone's all fine and dandy when they present the idea but nobody is ever willing to talk at all
No.4171
>>4165This is a very curious case. People seem so interested in finding kindred spirits but when they're presented with the chance of befriending them, radio silence. Like, why even join a server then?
Idk, I think I know what server you mean, and I tried for a while but it was like pulling teeth. It shouldn't have to be difficult to extract a conversation out of somebody.
No.4172
>discord
ew, is this what imageboards are being reduced to these days?
i remember a time when IRC was to go-to for real-time sperging
it even has the added benefit of somewhat maintaining anonymity since you dont need accounts or anything more than just a nickname
which you are free to change whenever
yea sure, it has no chat history
but you know what has? imageboards
No.4185
>>4172Yeah I miss the IRC time. Was in a great group back then. Not fujos, but a bunch of adult anime fans that had a lot of interesting or fun stuff to say. I use discord too since I would never be find any other fans of the shit I am into otherwise, but I really hate the cultures that are common there and if you are fan of a written story (including comics/manga) you can be sure that 90% of the "fans" have never read it because they cannot focus on reading for some reasin. I also don't like account shit.
The literal only good thing about discord is that you don't need to upload every damn pic you want to show anymore, you just screenshot or use the snipping tool and paste it and every image is instantly displayed in the chat. Everything else is a downgrade, especially the userbase.
No.4187
>>4165Idk if it's the same server but I joined a fujo discord 2 years ago (wow time flies), and it was nice but seemed to mostly be convos by people who already knew each other, and anything else died down quick
No.4192
All the IRC channels I was part of went up in flames, just drama up to their ears. Mods had to make everyone register names to stop impersonators, people'd learn timezones to talk shit when certain people weren't there to see them, joke kicks turned into grudge kicks. I think chatgroups will always be prone to the same pitfalls if you have enough bitches.
I imagine the accessibility compared to Discord filters younger users now, but with the lack of immediate image and video sharing IRC really relies on people having things to say and being able to hold live conversations. Would you post more on it than you do here? People always get excited at the prospect of new conversation, we all want to have that, but the reality more often than not is that even the slightest awkwardness culls topics of conversation until nobody feels motivated to speak. Broad topics make it harder to connect with the right people too, because not everyone has seen or is interested in the same BL you just read. A single channel means you can't talk in the corner while other people discuss something else. IRC did well when we had less variety available to us, both in anime/manga and in platforms to communicate through. You'd talk to a wall if you had to because it was all you had.
No.4204
>>4192Agree. And even now finding good fandom groups is hard as fuck. I am in a few good discords with calm, reasonable people (all adults too and mixed genders) but they are all linked to a certain forum or anime blog, so you cannot post a text wall lore analysis of this manga only you've read and are a fan of.
Fandom discords are the only way, but dear god are most of them shit. I am only joining nsfw ones to filter the damn kids, but even then they are bad.
I am honestly wondering if maybe fandom is just not for me. I thought it was since I love analysing it non-stop, I draw art, ship and I read fics. But I cannot warm up or even properly communicate with most fans. Too childish, too loud, barely able to post or even read proper sentences, they talk in memes and rather react with emojis or SCREAMS than talk and they are unstable and quick to offend or shock even if you don't even want it.
Besides that there is the unwritten rule that most don't want you to post anything negative about the series. But nothing is perfect so I want to discuss the things or characters I didn't like and explain why. This isn't meant to be personal, most fans dislike or even hate my favs and I have no issue with that.
Another problem I have is that most fandoms barely talk about anything canon. It's like they're fans of a whole different series. All they care about are fandom AUs and headcanons that are only vaguely based on canon or it's outright OOC or crack shipping that is just entirely made up by fans but most are fans of THAT and not the actual canon which is the shit I want to talk about.
Add to all of this the blatant inability to form own opinions and rely onto youtube "thinkpieces" that they just parrot endlessly. Plus point if they haven't read the source material they are "fan" of because reading is very heard it seems.
No.4207
>>4171It's anxiety and because despite what the rules tell you, it's likely not everyone here is a girl. I wouldnt be surprised if trannies or guys were in the channel.
On discord you put yourself upfront and you stop being just an anon.
No.4208
>>4207Doubt that first bit since yaoi and gay shit repels most men.
But Discord is also uniquely terrible for community chatter, it is a in the moment back-and-forth. Only two or three people can be conversing at any given time before things become hard to follow and if you're away at work it's hard to get caught back up because it doesn't have the backlog ease of reading that a forum or imageboard has.
I've joined a few fandom servers but I haven't found any meaningful interactions or enjoyment. Most are dead or filled with illiterate high schoolers. The desire to talk is there, this site serves the purpose well as do others, Discord is just bad at facilitating actual conversations.
No.4209
I don't like Discord but I guess this is the new norm for online interaction, everyone who isn't adapting to it's idiosyncrasies is being left behind, myself included. I really tried but after all these years I still don't know how to navigate Discord, all I know is I keep getting older and feeling more out of place each passing day. Every server is full of underages or very young adults, they talk casually about whatever, engaging in a discussion about a specific topic you like seems impossible. It feels like being a random passerby who steps into a group of friends. Also the moment any server enables a voice chat channel, it's fully over. Maybe it is time to give up.
No.4210
>>4208>But Discord is also uniquely terrible for community chatter,It's a chatroom, people have been using chatrooms to chat way before imageboard were even a thing. Millions of people use them every day more than this dead chan.
You are just making excuses. A chat wouldn't last because a lot of "anons" here would put their (digital) face into their opinions and be confronted of their opinons more directtly. Posting how all men should die on an imagine board is not the same as posting it on a chat where the next person could be married to one or just not be a schizo.
No.4211
>>4209100% this.
> It feels like being a random passerby who steps into a group of friends.Best explanation I ever heard so far. Yes that's it. It even happens if they are over 25. They only chit chatter, sometimes it might even be on topic but it's always casual talk about headcanons you cannot contribute anything to, especially if you don't resonate with the headcanons which is almost always the case for me. You cannot discuss a concrete topic as you already said. It's literally the stranger trying to engage with a group of friends that are already busy talking among themselves about personal stuff only they like.
And yes, the fucking voice channels. Tend to leave when it happens because it's all they do and I refuse to talk online.
Besides that I always feel like walking on eggshell no matter the discord. There are so many people there that are so unstable and quick to suspect you of all kind of shit or really into bad faith reading. Doesn't help that at least half of them claim to have panic attacks so you have to fear to trigger one if you ever say anything they don't agree with.
No.4214
>>4210This seems hostile? Chatrooms have a purpose and it's for close friends or small groups to talk with each other, I stand by all my points when you have a large community it becomes impossible to get caught up with the convo or a cluster fuck.
I agree with the anonymity issue, but I also think it's a shit platform for the purposes of a large community.
No.4215
>>4210>You are just making excuses. A chat wouldn't last because a lot of "anons" here would put their (digital) face into their opinions and be confronted of their opinions more directly.She's right.
No.4222
>>4214There's a hostile anti-man-hate autist here lately.
No.4227
>>4214>? Chatrooms have a purpose and it's for close friends or small groups to talk with each other,There is literally zero difference between discords and irc chat room. You have "official" chat rooms with 1m of users and private chat rooms with 10 people in it. You could make a discord for Fujochan right now right here and have people join, but 1) you won't 2) people won't join.
No.4229
>>4227Because I hate the format? Imageboards are easy to read and I enjoy coming home from work and scrolling /all/. I like the organization, I like that longer posts aren't lost in the moment-to-moment typing on Discord and are actually incentivized, and I hate the way Discords channels look, backlogs are harder to read. There is zero difference between chatrooms and Discord I agree, which is why I was using them interchangeably there.
If you hate imageboards so much I don't know why you're here. I've never liked chatrooms, that why I use sites like this and forums.
Yes we are small enough that a fujochan discord server would work, but I don't see why we should when we are already on a site dedicated to communication. Plus again there is issues of anonymity and as mentioned above.
>> It feels like being a random passerby who steps into a group of friends.Small friend groups, not communities.
No.4263
>>4229>f you hate imageboards so much I don't know why you're here.I never said I hate imageboards. I was just explaining to you why the doesn't anyone here make a discord or chatroom. Because they are less likely to able to lie all the time on a chat and post weird stuff.
No.4347
>>4185>>4164>>4163>>4162>>4165>>4171Groomcord needs to die. It's a cancer worse than the bottom of the barrel twitter and tumblr combined.
>>4172I miss the Durarara-clone chats. Anonymous fun, no strings attached.
No.4746
thank you all for providing me excellent evidence for my essay on how tucutes have genuinely done nothing but bring harm to the LGBT acceptance movement ??
No.4754
>>4746somebody clue me in on what a tucute is
No.4757
>>4754To my understanding: a "transtrender" type of person who does not have dysphoria and uses labels that are not MTF/FTM. The very specific picture it paints is like a tumblr user who has like "xe/xim afab genderfluid demigirl" shit in their profile. To me it's kind of an outdated term, I don't see them in the wild much anymore.
No.4768
>>4757Yeah, I haven't heard that term used since 2013 tumblr. Seems like it fell out of use along with 'truscum'. There used to be a divide between people who thought being trans meant having actual gender dysphoria and people who thought you're just trans if you say you are, and now the latter type of person is the norm and you can't question it. I don't know how it happened but that was when I stopped understanding what being trans/nb even meant and started taking anyone's claim of being trans on the internet with a huge grain of salt. Terms like 'nonbinary woman' especially mean absolutely fuck-all. What's the difference between a woman and a 'nonbinary woman' who is still being called she? As far as I can tell, nothing. The labels people invent for themselves change over the eras and will continue changing.
No.4769
>>4768I don't remember if I mentioned this on fujochan before but this reminds me of that time I went to a convention a while back and I hit it off with someone who just seemed like a regular woman in every single way but after exchanging twitter handles I saw "He/him" pronouns and it was the funniest shit ever. The ones who cut off their tits and take testosterone are at least trying, but this is a whole new level of delusional.
No.4772
>>4757They're actually still pretty common. Though the majority of them are fandom minors so as long as you're not in those spaces you won't come across them.
No.4773
I was introduced to the xir/xem pronouns in the mid 00s as something furries used for
hyper muscle hermaphrodite taur fetish OCs, so I've never been able to read it without thinking about
giant blue dog dongs and areolas the size of trash can lids.>>4768I once considered if I was nonbinary, long history of not being feminine and feeling alienated by others, but now I think about the freedom I had to dress in shitty dragon tshirts and khaki pants from the boys section and think "some girls are just whatever." "Nonbinary woman" is an attempt to express it that must be tempting when female terms and appearances are often used to belittle and demean people and remind us of bad times and horrible expectations, but it shouldn't be needed. I guess what I mean is I get it and I'm sympathetic but man, we've gone backwards a few steps if people need to declare which side (or not) of a binary they're on all the time. Tell people how to refer to you in writing and let your existence inform the rest.
No.4776
>>4773The thing is though, I'm pretty sure not all 'nonbinary women' are GNC in terms of style, and cis women can be butch or GNC to, so I don't think the term has anything to do with presentation. And if it's about discomfort with female terms, why still call yourself a woman? I can't wrap my head around it.
No.4777
>>4776Pretty sad that so many women see female terms as personally insulting to the point they want to distance themselves from them. I blame moids as usual.
No.4780
>I once considered if I was nonbinary, long history of not being feminine and feeling alienated by others, but now I think about the freedom I had to dress in shitty dragon tshirts and khaki pants from the boys section and think "some girls are just whatever.Did you have an active disinterest in dressing in a feminine way or did you consider masculine clothes and presentation to be more convenient? What's considered feminine takes far more effort to comply with and it is horrible to think that we may consider our gender wrong because we do not want to go through that effort.
>>4777It always comes back to this.
No.4781
>>4776God I feel stupid, googling GNC for four pages before I figured out what that meant. Cis women being butch or nonconforming is what I meant as well but gave up trying to say that people treat it like only lesbians have that range. It's all over the place really. I can only conclude
something about being a vanilla woman doesn't sit right with them so they reached for "not a WOMAN woman".
>>4777Child me would have pinned it on judgemental women given my experiences with other girls and female relatives were the worst. We see enough of women witch hunting each other online, it's all the same bullshit that makes people want to pick a safe side or label. Knowing that fear is why I'm easy going on some of these.
>>4780Yeah, I hated dresses and skirts and the colour pink, and found dolls creepy as hell. Combing a toy horse or cat was way nicer.
These days I still can't do dresses and skirts because my legs are bad and I have to keep warm with layers. It horrifies me to think there's workplaces I could never enter because their employee policy states women aren't allowed to wear pants and flats. Born to die, world is a fuck, etc.
I think I've derailed this shit, sorry.
No.4784
>>4781>Yeah, I hated dresses and skirts and the colour pink, and found dolls creepy as hell. Combing a toy horse or cat was way nicer.This is a very presumptive question, but are you a lesbian now? I ask this because I felt the same way as a child, only to grow up and find these traits I could never find myself comfortable with attractive on other women. Put me near a soft spoken woman in a floral dress now and I become a complete mess.
No.4796
>>4784I was going to say no, because I'm 100% all over 2D men and most 2D girls are turn offs to me, but that last sentence is too relatable (though I most suffer when she has a mature/confident air). My crushes in school were almost an even split, but I think the ones on girls were more intense rather than something I could joke about with friends. Might be a result of not being able to talk about it.
Is it "opposites attract" at work or is it just that we're more receptive of traits in other people than ourselves?
No.4830
>>4768it fell out of use because the "truscum" people are the only ones who use it, because otherwise nobody dares to question the beliefs of trenders without being ostracized.
>>4772aha, I wish. they're all over college campuses these days. and in high schools too from what I've heard.
No.4834
>>4784I felt similarly, and I still do turn into a mess around some women. That said, I think it's more of a manifestation of mommy issues + desperation for female friendships than anything else.
I know I've run into problems where a lesbian thought I was into her, and I just wanted a friend.
I don't often talk about this, because people tend to reduce it to 'u gay' but I don't think that's it, I've had plenty of chances and I never really felt it.
I also really miss having GNC women in fiction to relate to… And I'm sick of my favs being transwashed.
No.4837
>>4830>aha, I wish. they're all over college campuses these days. and in high schools too from what I've heard.I can understand high school because the neopronoun kweers are the 2020s version of cringey drama/emo/band kids but college is insane. You should grow out of that shit by then. I'm not involved in GSA clubs or anything that would attract them so I've never met one at my campus, thank god.
No.4839
>>4834>turn into a mess around some women>desperation for female friendships than anything else>lesbian thought I was into her, and I just wanted a friendRelatable. My whole life as a tomboy/cis woman with "clocky" features has been giving off false positives on trans/gaydar.
I don't care too much about trans headcanons because the people with them are usually just churning out AU slop I wouldn't be interested in anyway. Never has there been a masterpiece fic I've had to close the tab to because I got slapped with pussy when I wasn't expecting it.
No.4840
>>4796>My crushes in school were almost an even split, but I think the ones on girls were more intense rather than something I could joke about with friends. Might be a result of not being able to talk about it.How do you feel about your crushes now? It took me some time to accept that I could both crush on girls and feel desire towards 2D boys without being wrong or someone that is confused.
>>4834>I know I've run into problems where a lesbian thought I was into her, and I just wanted a friend. To some other nonna I was probably that lesbian.
No.4970
>>1891Years later, gendies threatened to boycott the game (for a week lol) because they don't even use pronouns for him
No.4971
>>4970>(for a week lol)Setting a timeframe is so dumb to me. If they wanted to actually effect change they would've just boycotted until the devs fixed his pronouns in game (which I doubt would even happen because 15 year olds crying about trans Arashi aren't the ones whaling). Shows how serious they are about the whole thing kek
No.4989
tifs stop drawing vulvas on ukes challenge [impossible]
my fucken OTP is full of this shit and too many people won’t even properly tag it. It’s not yaoi if it’s PIV you morons, even if you call it “cuntboy”
no real point to make here, just venting
No.4990
>>4989I feel you. I scrolled down my feed yesterday and saw a retweet of two guys in lewd bunny suits and I was going to retweet it but then I scrolled down some more only to see they were both drawn with pussies and I rolled my eyes so hard. I'm so fucking tired of that garbage.
No.5020
>>5016What the fuck I always figured Shinji was the archetypal self insert for FTMs, troons saying he's now a trans girl egg is a new one kek.
No.5030
Seeing all this awful art makes me glad that I've yet to see art of my husbando with top surgery scars/the implication of him being born as a girl. To see him without those disgusting self-harm adjacent scars in the small amount of western fanart I've encountered (I don't interact within western circles like I used to) is such a relief to me because none of my previous husbandos were safe from this autism sadly. I really thought he'd be an easy target. I don't even want to say who it is in case there are tifs lurking the threads. Apologies for the sperging but I just got reminded how much I hate western fans and I hope they keep their nasty gendie hands off my man. And our faves.
No.5043
>>5020Trandom is split on whether he's a MtF or FtM. Shockingly and to my great relief, there's basically no Kaworu/FtM Shinji on aO3(there's more of the reverse, which is weird). It's inescapable in most fandoms, but Evangelion isn't MHA/JJK/whatever level popular in western fandom so maybe that's why
>>5016The show had legitimately progressive things to say about how gender roles prevent people from being their true selves and bonding properly(Asuka forcing herself to be a girly girl to attract Kaji when that's not her, Shinji being more comfortable being a passive homebody, Asuka and Shinji clashing when they expect the other to fulfill their gender's typical role). To turn around and say that Shinji is actually just a girl is missing the whole point. These people, I swear
No.5046
>>5043>The show had legitimately progressive things to say about how gender roles prevent people from being their true selves and bonding properlyThat reminds me, I'm genuinely worried that if Persona 4 ever gets a remake they're going to give Naoto the Bridget Guilty gear treatment. That would piss me off so much but in this current political climate you never know.
No.5047
I doubt Atlus would do that because that would mean rewriting her whole arc and they're too lazy for that. And they doubled down with Fullbody.
No.5078
/co/ content has it much worse than animanga, to be honest.
No.5132
>>5131The faux underbust corset look it creates is appealing, but that can also be done with tattoos. Maybe it will evolve into a scarification fetish.
No.5133
>>5131It pretty much is, because people still do the scars even in advanced futuristic or magical settings. It's all about making their headcanon visible in fanart, similar to 'autism headcanons' where people draw a character stimming or give them that chew necklace or whatever. They've got to make their headcanon 100% clear and obvious to everyone in some way or they won't get any asspats.
No.5134
>>5133>>5131My 'favourite' instance I've seen personally is in the final fantasy 14 fandom with Au Ra characters because canonically the race has exaggerated sexual dimorphism between males and females. The males are naturally tall and buff while the females are naturally small and skinny. Yet the TIF Au ra OCs I've seen are always built like the males in every single way except they have the huge tit removal scars and a vagina. I know this is because they just use mods on their male player model but in-universe it implies that somehow the character could change their body enough to grow twice their size but not enough to just get rid of the other female qualities in a world where body-altering magic is canon.
No.5137
>>5134It's also funny when it goes the other way in low technology/historical settings, where you'll have trans 'headcanons' of super buff tall guys and tit surgery, when realistically if you want to make this character trans then they wouldn't have access to HRT, so would still have a female body type, and would be binding their chest (not to mention they wouldn't be sounding like the cis man who voice acted them). They rarely want to engage with the impact it would have on their upbringing due to gender roles either. It makes the 'any character can be trans!! my headcanon is totally valid!!' insisting extra empty.
At the end of the day it just comes down to projection fantasy and/or feminization fetish and it wouldn't even be as annoying if more people admitted it. This is why 'headcanon' is the worst possible term to use.
No.5202
Getting into Sebaciel has been a mixed bag cause while the western twitter fandom has been a great source of Yana Toboso's official art and stuff like old drama CDs I've also noticed that half of them are Fakebois who are obsessed with Mpreg and giving Ciel a vagina. There's gotta be a thing going on like in the third pic of OP's post where these women see a sexually abused teen boy and project onto him.
No.5205
>>5202These woman find a small shota with a vagina hot but they can't admit it.
No.5207
>>5202I honestly don't get how these people just don't see Ciel as a little girl with short hair if they're doing that. It'd be one thing if it was magical assbabies mpreg but mpreg plus cuntboy is literally just reinventing women.
No.5216
>>5202Back when I was a teen right before the first anime we also had mpreg, but Ciel still had a penis that touched his bump and we were all pretty sure that wasn't a baby in there.
>>5207Yeah it's missing a great deal of the point. If it were a demon or shinigami you'd still have some wiggle room for excuses, but this is just rewriting it into not-so-identical twins and making yet another female victim. I'm not reading BL and hoyay for more girl rape victims.
No.6158
Do you guys ever wonder why trans people insist on referring to themselves as trans? I was thinking about some ex friends. Now, when I was a wee lass, I never told anyone I was a girl. And this is the Internet. You can be anything you want to be. If somebody told you they were male or female, you'd never know.
Trans weebs, they always have to let you know. When they could easily just pretend they are anything so long as it isn't obviously made up xir shit. It's just so baffling. Like I have a new fandom friend and I have no idea what they are, it could go either way and I never bothered to ask. I just assume they're female because we talk about yaoi. Idk. Shower thoughts.
No.6159
>>6158It's because the idea of being trans is more interesting than being the gender they wanna become. Aidens for example say they're men but usually draw pregnancy art or impregnation, it's complicated but they wanna seem like a third gender that looks masculine but has feminine biology. Biological men don't represent them because they don't wanna be that, they just wanna be their idea of what a man is and for that the trans label fits like a glove.
Also it can be because trans is a fetish for a lot of modern day trannies, zippertits at this point are a fetish.
I hope what I said made sense lol, it's late and I need to sleep.
No.6161
>>6158For the first part, I used to be the same too that I'd never tell anyone what I was (but that was because back then you'd get a lot more flack over being a girl on the internet) and I'd roll with whatever people said.
I feel like this whole trans thing is done just as a way of decoration to feel unique, specially more so the people who give themselves unrealistic pronouns like it/doll/bun or whatever. Not only is it not a real fucking pronoun, they'll force you to call them fucking bun. And not only will they force you, they'll try to drag that on to reality as well.
Also, I genuinely feel like some people took the self-insertion too far and really convinced themselves they like yaoi because they wanted to be a man deep down and eventually stop talking about yaoi and start talking about their T-shots and being horny.
No.6163
>>6161>I feel like this whole trans thing is done just as a way of decoration to feel unique, specially more so the people who give themselves unrealistic pronouns like it/doll/bun or whatever.I agree. It's the same with those DiD/system people who demand specialised discord bots for their larp and make cringy social media posts like "Omg one of my alters put coffee powder in the bath water!" In the past these people would just be goth/scene/emo.
No.6169
>>6158Even when they don't, you can always tell because the vast majority of cis men don't put 'he/him' in their bios. Unless it's one of those discords where they make you choose a pronouns role but it's usually optional in the ones I've been in.
No.6240
>>6158This reminds me of how I am/was in fandoms where almost everybody else called themselves trans and each of them knew they were women and just played the he/them game, but then it turned out that I was the one user and artist most assumed to be a dude. I never corrected them, by the way. Not because I identified as dude but because I have a "0 private info" policy on places that aren't anonymous. No age other than clarifying I am an adult and no gender etc. So guess they still assume I am a dude, probably because I am rather silent and serious, not sure.
I mention it because how odd it is and it matches to the phenomenon you describe. You would assume that if a woman considered herself a dude she would just.. well, call herself a dude. Not "trans". Dude. And maybe not constantly post photos of herself wearing pink skirts and showing tits. I never really understood that mindset.
>>6159 has a good point here. It's more like "trans" was a third gender to them, not the opposite one. That would also explain why they are having an issue with people saying there are only two genders. Something that a trans-person shouldn't be mad about. The very concept of transsexuality demands that there are only two genders. You need an opposite gender to be "trans", technically.
Anyway these complexities are part of the reason for why I never talk about gender stuff outside of FC/4chan. It's hard to me to understand what they are even about and to know how to avoid sandtraps. I just want to draw and post about my favorite 2D men in peace.
No.6241
>>6240>I just want to draw and post about my favorite 2D men in peace.Amen. Unfortunately, personally I recently got a job where I am in direct contact with many trannies so I can never turn my brain off about it and just be like "whatever I guess."
I'd say leave them alone if they weren't such a blight on irl life and then my online life too.
No.6342
>>6339no no they're right, all mtf trannies want to do is become 'lesbians' to hit on women they couldn't get as men so it's actually a perfectly fitting representation of trannies kek
No.6344
>>6339Smh I dread what this gendie thinks of Chihiro and Korekiyo
No.7013
>>7012This was drawn by an actual lesbian, a freaking lesbian, using troon logic
No.7014
>>7013I mean, to give them the benefit of the doubt they might just like the idea of the default state being Ranma-chan. As in switching and never going back. But yeah canon-wise he is clearly male and anyone who says otherwise hasn't read it.
Gender-swap stuff is always so weird because the author is playing with weird ambiguous stuff. I used to like it way back when because I saw a lot of it as being yaoi-adjacent. "Oh he's attracted to me but only as a girl, but I'm not gay!" sort of things. I can't enjoy it anymore because it toes to close to IRL gross men for me to enjoy and I'd rather just read trap-shit for that kind of weird relationship blurring since at least the character is physically male and they can't pretend he's secretly a woman.
No.7017
>>7013It's a handmaiden obviously, a yume one at that, because Akane x Ranma was THE yume ship back in the day.
To be honest as an oldfag this fandom has always been kind of crazy, like it literally had countless ship wars since the 90s. If you were a girl who liked any other ship that wasn’t the main yumecope ship you were basically isolated. Even the classical rival bl ship, ranma x ryoga, didnt get much traction unfortunately
No.7429
viktor from arcane. impossible to find any nsfw fanart of him were they kept his dick
No.7430
>>7429I rarely check Twitter for Arcane fanart unless it's from an Asian artist because of this. They ruined my boy.
No.7431
>>7429I've never watched Arcane and I don't think I ever will, but I know a TIF irl who goes by Victor, wonder if she got that name for that character? What even makes Viktor from League of Legends so interesting to TIFs?
No.7432
>>7431I googled him and he looks like prime 2010 Sherlock fandom era tumblr bait. Other than that not sure.
No.7433
>>7431They see a skinny sickly moid and go into projection overdrive.
No.7434
>>7431Aside from the twink build he's paired up with a beefy "straight" guy so it's prime yaoibait. Also has a transhumanist/body modification-related storyline which I can see them easily projecting into.
No.7435
>>7431> What even makes Viktor from League of Legends so interesting to TIFs?He gives himself a robotic body so quite literally everything that is non-human/doll-like/robot/alien/etc is now forever associated with trannism for some reason
like this one anon in a different thread that pointed out how aidens are seeing Hikaru ga Shinda natsu as a trans story, purely because Hikaru is a fucking alien
No.7436
>>7435Man, this is reminding me of that retarded trope of making any character or location that is meant to be nonhuman or eldritch into either having a vagina or being in the shape of one.
If the only type of crazy weird alien genitals you can think of is a normal vagina then it says a lot of shit about you.
No.7443
>>7435If he has a robot body shouldn't he have ken doll anatomy or robo-dick? Why would he choose to have robo-vagina? Or is all the porn of him pre-robot? I don't go here.
No.7444
I wonder if it's even possible to do western zine for BL pairing without tranny shit at this point
No.7445
>>7444If it's SFW yes, or at least none of the zines I participated in had anything visibly trans in them.
If it's NSFW though it's getting problematic.
I think that one day we should make a FC zine.
No.7446
>>7444Probably only if you make it entirely yourself or keep it to you and your friends.
No.7447
>>7443Canonically he has no genitals but in the absence of a dick trannies are obviously going to choose a vagina. The trans headcanon applies even before the body change stuff anyway.
No.7449
>>7447Back in MY day the cyborgfuckers mostly did wireplay, or other more interesting shit, there was some robo pussy but not a ridiculous amount and it was usually a fetish thing without the character being trans.
No.7450
>>7443Arcane made this more exploitable in that regard. The original game Viktor modified himself and became a robotized monster, so he might have given himself a laser penis that blasts people's heads off because he could and fuck you I won't be weak. The Viktor in Arcane however is some mythical eldritch entity who has taken the power of an unknowable force in the no nipples galaxy wallpaper dimension, so what happened to his body when he stepped free of the goo cuboid is unlikely to be his choice and more the will of the arcane adhering to the base structure of a human form. The arcane doesn't know what to do with a penis or vagina, it transforms almost everyone into the same genderless robot. Viktor even states that the intent he is giving to the arcane's power is to make everyone connected as one, to create a hivemind with no differences that would spawn conflict.
So he isn't discovering or choosing to be another gender, he is quite purposefully filing off the notion of gender or sex as something that creates discord among humanity. No rod, no hole, only galaxy wallpapers far as the eye can see.
No.7459
>>7450Sounds like people need to nut up and write that null crotch sex, where are people getting vagina from?
No.7564
>>7459I wish this was a thing because I have a fetish for uncommon porn due to the lack of genitals of one party. It can make porn so much more creative and sometimes rubbing or foreplay and dick/vaginaless orgasm can be hot too, or cable pull, whatever creature it is.
They stole that from us by making everything PiV. Cool male alien? A hot robot? Sorry bro, all no different than generic het sex!
No.7576
>>7564I wouldn't even be mad about all this cuntboy content if it wasn't just an excuse to make everything into PiV. If you are so woke why not turn BOTH guys in a BL ship into cuntboys? But no, of course, because ultimately they want to turn everything into heteronormative PiV. It's so boring.
No.7665
>>6344i have ptsd from 2013ish chihiro gender discourse on tumblr lmao
No.7667
>>7564I agree, I also like to see people get creative with nonhuman sex because it's nice to have variety. Even with regular human male x human male I want to see more non anal stuff, I always like to see some intercrural. I want to write docking for my current ship because it doesn't exist and I think it would be really hot for them.
The older I get as a fujo, the more I want to see less common sex acts because my fanfic suspension of disbelief at guys being able to have so much spontaneous anal is wearing thin. Always wish there was more frotting too, that's also good.
No.7672
>>7667I really like dicks so any sexual act that has a dick as the focal point and not stuffed inside a hole is amazing.
No.7675
>>7667Personally I like entertaining the idea of a guy with a big dick frotting from behind, so there's a bit of intercrural and ass slamming included. Have to pick a couple with a fair size difference though and frankly the logistics are silly porn territory.