/bl/ - General BL

Personally I prefer manga, there's something about manhwa's art styles that I don't like but I can't really put my finger on it to say exactly why. Even then I did really enjoy Killing Stalking, tho I prefer the early art style a lot more.

>>3149
I saw this thread on cc and I'll say nearly the same thing here: manhwa is really ugly to me and every time I take a chance on one based on the chatter of other fujos I feel like I got tricked. I don't care for the formatting either. Original BL comics outside of 18+ one-shots are a hard sell to me though.

>I just like colors if I’m being honest.
Colors are actually a minus to me because if I like something I want it to come out as fast as it can haha. Screentone that shit and send it off to print!

I'm more of a manga fan. I've never cared much for color, and I don't like the art style, as other anons have said. I think it's the shoulders and something about the faces. I know nothing about art, so it's hard to say why, but I like how manga often looks more expressive?

I hate the scrolling in manhwa. You sometimes can't see all the pictures effectively because there's such an emphasis on continuous scrolling it feels like all of it is noise. That or there's just a whole bunch of wasted white space. The whole format is just a pain in the ass.
There are some that use it well (King's Maker and [not-bl but its beautiful and underrated] Carp With Thousand Eyes comes to mind), but Id' rather not go through so much trash to find something like them… I just leave that up to friends who like manwha to recommend to me.

I mainly read manga and have no strong opinions on manwha. I don't read webtoons or anyrhing and their print books are clearly not Japanese but that doesn't bother me. I guess from my experience their stuff tends to be "girlier" for lack of a better term. Like in all the ones I've read their men are much more androgynous. But it might just be the series I've checked out.

Source of the manga picrel?

Manga. I've read some manhwa before but 8/10 times the art is way too bland and soulless for me. I prefer manga illustration and panelling a lot more. Korea also seems to be going through its early yaoi stages because holy fuck are some body proportions insane. Some semes are so roided up and huge it's too gross for me to look at.

>>3164
usagi no mori

>>3165
> Korea also seems to be going through its early yaoi stages
Holy shit yes. I'm sure that there's some decentely drawn BL manhwa out there but damned if I'm going to slog through all that bland trash. Honestly, I'd rather wait out its awkward teen phase.

Going to go against the grain a bit and say manhwa/webtoons, even though I like manga just fine too. It makes me a little sad when people wholesale dismiss manhwa art because there's quite a lot of variability in my experience–some is even black and white, like Yona and Chang-il as well as BJ Alex. I can agree that a lot of webtoons are unapologetic slop because the BL space is so oversaturated and relatively new with a low barrier of entry. And the schedules are so tight it doesn't leave any breathing room, so for a lot of releases, there are obvious signs of 3d model usage, sloppy coloring that detracts from the style, and wonky proportioning. I also dislike how much white space a lot of webtoons have. On the flip side, I think it is much easier to read on mobile (where I do most of my reading), and there is just so much content that I never run out of stuff to read. There are webtoons with art styles that I genuinely like a lot, and because the space is so competitive, there are a lot of titles that have interesting plots and dynamics. I still read and enjoy yaoi manga, but I definitely read more BL webtoons and have a lot of fun with them.

I feel partially responsible for this thread existing because I defended webtoons in the other thread, then as usual I chickened out of responding when I realized that I'm not reading explicitly BL comics. I have since tried reading a couple, and they were the most aimless things with no plan or ambition, just a decent artist (which, given the examples people post, doesn't seem to be common for current BL webcomics) and a gimmick concept. Years back I read Raising A Bat, King Maker, and The Priest's Chart, which were actually BL, and I quite enjoyed them, but all of them had issues with translations being stuck behind ever moving paywalls. Different seasons on different apps, so you had to wait for some shoddy JPEG rip on random manga aggregate sites that didn't always support vertical comics. They're probably better at vertical uploads now.

At the moment the only BL webtoons I'm reading are Raising the Demonic Cult's Leader (extremely slow murim with a pretty MC), and I Became The Lousy Side Top, an adaptation of a webnovel parodying generic Korean BL tropes. However the quality of the latter's chapters has noticeably declined, and it was of course plagued by stock background assets ("there's no oven in this entire kitchen!" he states, staring at 2-4 copypasted ovens). The MC's love interest is fairly bland and too innocent, but I loved his interactions with the bad boy loanshark because cynical bitch bottom and baffled stoic demon top is pretty fun. I want the "original novel"'s couple to get together because it'd be more interesting than the MC having fluff with him.

Anyway yeah, I read far more BL manga than BL webtoons. The format is best suited for page turners, sort of throwaway entertainment that is made of cliffhangers and twists, however that means many originals are in a perpetual cycle of trying to make something happen only at the end of a chapter to make you come back next time. And next time it ends up being nothing until the end of the chapter. I think it works far better for adaptations and planned stories, where they can have some meat in the chapter before timing a reveal or cliffhanger, but as far as I can tell the BL webtoon industry is quantity over quality. That means the majority are also not my genre, I get far more fantasy, supernatural, and wistful romances from manga.

So why did I say I read some pretty good webtoons? Because I'm into those webnovels where all the comments on official uploads treat it like a BL. The ones with two male leads who can't stop having back and forths and reluctantly broing it up. My first was probably How to Survive in a Fantasy World back in 2012ish, and I was not surprised to learn it had fanbook events for shipping. Old man stop looking for your wife and see the strapping fella stood beside you, geez. Going onto SID after that was easy, and it had some vibes that reminded me of manga I liked in the past. Never did finish that one.

Post got too long, hang on.

>>3248
The current ones I'm into are TWSB, LCF, BIDS, SRH, SRIH, HI, and GED (two of these don't have comics yet, one has a comic that is so shit it actively made me pay money for overpriced novel chapters full of typos). It's like danmei all over again with these abbreviations. Biggest difference is your mileage will vary hard on how much isekai/transmigration, dungeon break, and regression you can stomach. I love this shit for narrative convenience and creating both action and social situations. I think the long format suits these best because they're sagas that go on for fucking ever. The adaptations don't have to worry about making up something new to end each chapter with, they have a plan that goes on for months worth of content. Most of all what I like are the types of MCs who draw people in with concern and admiration. MCs who take casts on wild rides because they think in unexpected ways, and sometimes pull off captivating acts/speeches. If someone worries that they're mad but brilliant then I am here with my popcorn.

I love my tidily concluded short BL manga, and how pretty and varied the art styles can be with some wonderfully researched clothing and architecture, but webtoon provide a different entertainment that I also crave. It's easy for me to consume both at their own rates. The Korean content however has fanart by the bucket load compared and I can actually talk to people about it without embarrassment. You read a five chapter long BL, enjoy it, and nobody has any clue it exists and if they do they'll tell you it's "generic shit" for some reason or another and shut down conversation. The genuinely dumb adventures of "guy stuck in a book" generate more chatter and jokes. As a result it ends up looking like I don't read BL manga at all and spend all my time on Korean no homo.

>>3248
>I think it works far better for adaptations and planned stories
This is fairly common for BL webtoons, though, no? Passion, Payback, Zero Day Attack, Define the Relationship, Odd Love, Touch-up, Codename: Anastasia, XXX Buddy, and Hard-boiled Love are all based on novels, and that's just off the top off my head. In general, I think webtoons based on novels tend to have a better "hook" and have more substance (so they don't feel aimless halfway through), but they tend to suffer from similar problems as any other webtoon, especially if the artist is just okay or doesn't adapt the novel very well. There are BL webtoons written and drawn by just one person that have better narrative substance and pacing than ones based on novels, so it's very YMMV. You did help me realize that part of why I'm drawn to BL webtoons (and webnovels) is probably because I like long stories, and BL manga tends to be rather short. I'm usually left wanting more…

>That means the majority are also not my genre, I get far more fantasy, supernatural, and wistful romances from manga.
Also, about this…I feel like there are a lot of supernatural/fantasy entries within BL webtoons, which isn't surprising since Koreans are huge fans of media that deals with muism (Korean shamanism), both in K-dramas and in webtoons. The Ghost's Nocturne (picrel) is probably my favorite example, but there's also Night of the Unmarked, One Summer Day, Uncanny Charm, Dreaming of the Dokkaebi, A Twisted Fate, The Boy Who Stole From the Fairy Lake, and quite a few others. If that's not the kind of fantasy/supernatural you mean (I really like stories about muism, so I seek them out), there are probably still entries that would suit your tastes. Unless you mean LOTR type of fantasy, that seems to be peculiarly unpopular. Also, there's plenty of sad wistful pining in BL webtoons, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, I just wanted you to know that it sounds like there might be BL webtoons that actually are a good fit for you. I think the sheer magnitude of BL webtoons makes people reluctant to go hunting, especially when there are so many weak entires, but as someone who stress reads BL webtoons by the dozens, I feel a sense of duty to clarify things about them that people don't seem to realize. But, if you're happy with your webnovels with BL vibes and those adaptations, more power to you, of course. I was surprised you didn't mention ORV, though, since that feels like the most common example.

I used to like manga better but these days I prefer manhwa. The colors and webtoon style make it easier to scroll on my phone when I don't want to get out of bed.

bumping an oldish thread to sperg about how I'm starving for fan-translation for Chapter 22 of Master-peace (picrel). I looked at the arab translation on bato to see what the aftermath of the ##dubcon sex in which Incheol is railed without prep and passes out## but it means nothing if I can't understand it!!! Ik fujochan is mostly BL manga-oriented, but I find myself reading more manhwa since they tend to have the pairings I like the most (buff/ugly bottom and pretty top) . Other manhwas I'm most invested in rn are: Yang Il-Woo and I, You Are My World and (omegaverse) and I skim Backlight (the mc got twinkified here, so i'm only partially invested)

>>5963
>mfw the entirety of chapter 22
i signed up for hot men but only received suffering

>buff/ugly bottom and pretty top
i love that too. been seeing many positive comments about yang il woo and have been meaning to pick it up but haven't got the time. really need to work on my backlog. i'm also enjoying you are my world, the alpha is too adorable.

anon are you reading blossoms of the white night by the way? there are only 8 chapters out at the moment but it's another pretty top x stoic buff bottom.

indomitable champion is also shilling a lot of the blonde guy by popular demand so it may be up your alley

>>5966
Yang Il-Woo is really great! It's a nice break from more smut-driven stories. It's standard fare from Park Nodeok in which she focuses more on the characters and the story while the sex is not very explicit akin to Shape of Sympathy/Form of Sympathy

The alpha in You Are My World is batshit, but I love him. It's hilarious reading the comments on mangago since they're so divided on who to support, him or the omega and most of them seem like they've never read omegaverse stories lol. I do wish the redhead + bear side couple had reversed positions; Redhead is definitely the bottom since there's pics floating around from bboong where he's wearing a butt-plug tail. From Never Understand/Out of Control, I notice bboong likes to make more conventional pairings for her side couples.

I've read the first chapter of Blossoms of the white night, but I'm holding off on reading more since I'm still sad about Dear Zero being shelved lol. Idk if I'll read Indomitable Champion since it's more hardcore than I'm usually into, but, I'll check out the extra chapters to see who you're talking about.

>>5968
I'm back to sperg about You Are My World. I think I need to let it stockpile updates before going back purely because I can't deal with the dogshit takes in the mgo comments after every new update lol. I feel like I'm tweaking every time someone says the Su-ah (the Alpha) deserves better because he definitely does not considering he's constantly doing underhanded shit to keep Juhyeok on a leash. Did no else one get spooked about how he's already contemplating on how to take their relationship to the next level since he's well aware that Juhyeok is trying to find a way to discard him. Su-ah is constantly on the cusp of just straight-out turning this into a confinement story which would be a fun little arc because I can 100% imagine Su-ah would be pampering him, crying all over the place and constantly begging for Juhyeok's attention to the point Juhyeok would probably end up just taking pity on him

>>6102
I need to catch up on it/probably outright re-read to give a better response but
>dogshit takes/Su-ah deserves better
???
He's extremely devoted sure whatever but he's not some ultra pure angel. Like you said he's done underhanded shit to stake his claim on Juhyeok (the unknowingly scenting him for one), him being more emotional/soft does not at all mitigate that. He's super doting and hopelessly in love but he has no issue trying to get over on Juhyeok (like Su-ah outright being thankful Juhyeok is dumb because it made him able to convince him to let him cum on his back), or how in general he's always willing to try and push the envelope a bit when they engage physically. Su-ah is legit very inconsiderate, worried for mgo commenters if they somehow can not see that, wew.

>>6103
Right?? I get that they're teenagers in most cases, but I'm pretty sure there's a good amount of adult fujos commenting and it's sorta insane they're so dickmitized by Su-ah to not see how messed up he is. I love the obsessive, doting characterization, but I'm failing to understand how some many of the commenters can't see that he's a total freak. It annoys me even more when they say they want Juhyeok to chase him or that Su-ah ends up with the super twink omega for the third couple who just got introduced in the latest chapter. Don't they know Su-ah would probably kill himself and Juhyeok before he even thought about touching another omega? And that Su-ah lives to serve Juhyeok in any capacity possible?

Also, are you the anon that was reading God of Peace/Master-Peace too? If you are, how did you think about the season finale? I thought it was an interesting way to end the season and makes me think that the next season is going to be Incheol doing everything to make up for what happened to the ML since Incheol clearly has a conscience deep down and draws the line on child endangerment over the litany of other crimes he commits lol

>>6104
NTA but I'm the anon from >>5966
Incheol has too much to atone for I don't know how he's going to make up for anything. He's already crashing out from Pyeonghwa's mum and now he finds out about the child abuse. He's only going to spiral further when he learns the full implications of his actions on Pyeonghwa's life/medical condition. And Pyeonghwa has been internalising his rage all this time so I'm curious he's going to handle the revelations. At the moment I just feel quite pessimistic about these two like I find it so hard to imagine a satisfying and happy ending for them and it makes me depressed…

>>6104
>not see how messed up he is/they want Juhyeok to chase him
The underlying disconnect for them imo is that Su-ah took becoming an Alpha better than Juhyeok took being an Omega. It just does not seem to click for Su-ah that Juhyeok still has major hang-ups with his nature, and even worse Su-ah is totally fine using his own nature as a tool to crowbar himself into accessing Juhyeok. Can not imagine Juhyeok chasing/reciprocating until either 1. that's addressed or 2. he surrenders to the love bombing. They're a fun pair but pretty far from "pure innocent yearning soul" x "shitty dumb tsundere".
>it's sorta insane they're so dickmitized
Don't forget the puppy-dog eyes! Keep on keeping on, mgo commenters… at least a few seem to acknowledge Su-ah for what he is.

>>6105
I agree with this. I also don't know how Pyeonghwa is going to recover from his injuries, if ever, and I feel like he probably has whatever his mom had that led to her death. The tone of the manhwa makes it hard to assume that there will ever be any romance in this and that it'll end tragically or bittersweet, too
>>6106
I have the same thoughts about it why they dote on Su-ah more. Maybe Juhyeok having identity issues is too complex for the sort of story they thought this would be and probably because they think Juhyeok is too ugly. Personally, I think Juhyeok is probably going to surrender to the love-bombing since, deep, deep, deep down he has a soft spot for Su-ah or Su-ah gets hurt somehow and Juhyeok is going to freak the fuck out and try to help him recover. Plus, I've been re-reading and it's pretty clear from the start that while Su-ah might have started scenting Juhyeok first because he really did think it would help, it definitely developed into him doing it to keep Juhyeok totally reliant on him AND to stake a claim to keep any other alphas from trying anything with Juhyeok, especially in his judo club.

>>5968
Late reply but I finally sat myself down and started Yang Ilwoo.
I'm completely unfamiliar with Nodeok so there were zero expectations, but I really liked it… the small town is claustrophobic, and the MCs' desperation feel so raw and heavy I'm gonna have to read other manhwa slop to decompress.
But anyway it was great and anon if you're still here thank you for your recommendation.

Also if you're still looking for buff bottoms you might enjoy Lattepanda's Office Hero. The plot isn't groundbreaking but it has a lot of angst potential.

>>6169
I am still here!!! I'm really glad you liked it! I think actually think this is Nodeok's best work so far because the storytelling flows so well, so I'm happy you ended up liking it too despite not reading her other works

Also, I'm reading Office Hero too haha (I have no life lol). I' m surprised they fucked already but, then again Love in Orbit (which I love and I'm salty there aren't side stories about Gabin) was super-sex heavy so I should've known. It is a bit generic, but I wanna see the dragon transform into his human form and how he impacts the story

>>6102
You should NOT have made me aware of the comment section, this is hysterical. Full-on slapfights over the latest chapter. Juhyeok pulling out the literal cum jars was… a choice on his behalf but man it kicked up a storm. I even agree with some of them the Juhyeok isn't exactly spotless (the date itself was simply because he knew he ought to butter up Su-ah before he made his request) but damn did it awaken the #SaveSu-ah beast even more. Mad curious about the next chapter, lel.

All that said I also think I'm gonna re-read A Fate Rewritten, the seme's absolutely nutter-butter in that and I really like the design of the side love interest.

>>6171
Kek, at least someone is enjoying the comment section. It's crazy how divided they are but it's so funny that some of the more normal commenters predicted the cum jars a chapter or two back.

I tried reading A Fate Rewritten when it was first coming out but the top is way too crazy for me. I tried re-reading it because of this comment and I'm mad the second top will never get with him. did the bottom and second top ever have sex? If so, please direct me to the chapter lol

>>6175
>predicted
Lel, nice.
>the top is way too crazy for me.
Absolutely understandable, in general it's pretty wild, spoilers I recall toward the end the final confrontation with Geolson and Moonyoung + all the side cast dying being mega melodramatic/silly. I think he's fun because he's shitty in such a specific way. Lee was always manipulative but chapter 13 absolutely trashes even the possibility of considering he might be a bit better than his past self. From then it's just watching him do something cruel, feel genuinely bad about it after, only to instantly get set off again and repeat the cycle. I gotta finish my re-read because I'm honestly blanking on a few bits but it's definitely NOT a sweet romance because he really is just a total ass for a long while, so in turn the hopeful ending probably won't reaaally feel right. Overall though I think it conveys the massive gap in their power dynamics really well, in that there's genuine affection from Lee/Moonyoung but he's just too much of a tyrant to really be reasonable when Geolson/Jung doesn't immediately go kyaaah and bend over at his every compliment, and thus will quickly use that gap to his advantage in return. It's definitely more suited to someone who /really/ enjoys dickhead tops/miserable bottoms.
>Mad the second top will never get him
I do like quite like Lee but, yeah, felt. Kitae is legitimately handsome and I kinda hate liking him so much because no, nothing goes anywhere with him and Jung, the best he gets is a hug, I believe.

>>6177
Justice for Kitae. I wish he dicked down MC so MC could have loving sex and then still end up with Lee to keep his life miserable lol I feel there's shades of this dynamic in Beware of the Full Moon in March, though only in the start.

All caught up with Indomitable Champion. The blonde manic pixie psycho would have made a more entertaining MC than ahjussi with the flat hairy ass.

>>6310
I love this crazy fucker so much. It's no wonder that Ricky got the longest side story so far, he's by far the most popular character. He'd make for a fun MC, but it's also nice to see a manhwa where an overtly masculine MC gets beaten down. There's not a ton of others with this kind of art style so the variety is nice to me.

>>6310
From the little I've read, this picrel probably would be the one of the more interesting unhinged MCs. There really are so little unhinged BL MCs - the only one I really know like that is the MC in Checkmate except in a more autistic way. But, I do think the Indomitable Champion author just wanted to see a classically masculine older man get degraded to the max kek.
>>6313
The art is really is great

I've never read any BL manhwa in my life. Many of them are webtoons and I don't like reading on a screen these days, I tend to have headaches more and more often out of nowhere. However I saw that there are some translated BL manhwa in my local libraries, so I will eventually give them a try, they even have Killing Stalking.

>>6360
What are the other translated manhwas? We might be able to give you our opinions on them. Also, wow, can't believe your local library has Killing Stalking out to loan haha. Personally, I didn't read Killing Stalking, but it is pretty foundational for BL manhwa's increase in popularity and if you're alright with the subject matter, go for it.

>>6362
Killing Stalking has a super cool premise and I like the early chapters a lot, the direction it went didn't get with me but I'd still rec checking it out if you're interested.

Seconding what other Manwha do they have?

>>6362
>>6363
I don't remember what they have exactly, but I'll check next time I'll go to the library.

>sex addict x battletard
This has potential

>>6470
The promo pictures look nice but the last photo makes me leery about the actual art style. But, who knows, maybe the first couple of chapters are compelling enough to deal with the art.

I finished S1 of Borderline/Boundary of Delusion last night and enjoyed it, Nanjo was mega cute, and I really like 'manwhore struggles to cope with wanting exclusivity from someone' as a plot. That said, holy shit was it masterclass in making me feel insanely embarrassed during the threesomes. Either way, patiently waiting for S2.

Dear yaoigods, please heal chamuring's hands, her heart, her health. Let her recover fully and gently and when she's ready to create again, bless her to comeback with a new BL series instead of bait. AMEN

>>6507
I sorta hate the art of Boundary of Delusion, but I enjoyed it too! Nanjo is such a dweeb and so naïve in his own way. The next season starts in the summer, I think, and I think it'll be more of a standard romance from then on because the third guy of the love triangle is totally out of the picture now (though, I'm sure he'll still show up). Apparently, the author pairs the third guy up with a older gangstar in-so-far as I remember from the author's note, but I'm not sure if she's planning to illustrate that.
>>6513
What's this from? I'm guessing a yaoi-bait webtoon?

I'm also following Annoying Boy and it's fun as well, but I'm a sucker for dickhead semes. That said, I'd do a ritual sacrifice for it to get an official TL because holy shit. Anyway, Jihan and Manager-kun are very cute, I dig the art overall.
>>6554
>I sorta hate the art
Yeah? I wasn't too hot on the uncensor on the officials but otherwise I don't think anything bothered me. Well, the arm/hand veins were a bit standout, at times.
>it'll be more of a standard romance from then on
You figure? That'll be interesting, I assumed Sunhwa'd probably stick around for drama, but guess we'll see! I hadn't looked at the AN so that's interesting to know he gets paired off.

>>6555
I should try re-starting Annoying Boy. I liked that the dickhead seme got beat up and I hope he gets beat up more, amen.
>I wasn't too hot on the uncensor on the officials but otherwise I don't think anything bothered me.
I felt like the art was too stiff qnd they were too bulky but it makes sense because apparently this was the artist's first foray into drawing properly
>I assumed Sunhwa'd probably stick around for drama
Yeah, he probably will but I think he'll be in the periphery because Mokyeon seems like he's going to go full-tilt into wooing Nanjo. I'm also interested in if we'll get more hints about whatever's going between Sunhwa's and Mokyeon's friends since it's pretty clear that they're fucking on the downlow but with one of the guys being clearly more into the other. It makes sense that those two would have a weird, incestous-type group of friends.

>>6554
Pic is from Special Civil Servant. Not a BL, but the author posts a lot of VERY thinly-veiled fetish art on her twitter.

>>6555
Usually I don't mind beefy ukes, but something in Annoying Boy just doesn't work for me. Maybe it's because the two leads kind of look like they belong in different webtoons.

>>6559
>I hope he gets beat up more
Based?
>I felt like the art was too stiff
I can agree on this for a few of the sex scenes, actually.
>I think he'll be in the periphery
I figured he'd try and hold Mok-yeon's manwhoring against him just to be petty because ultimately Mok did kinda steal Nanjo from him. I'm fine if it goes either way though, I think, certainly enough to be gotten out of Mok trying to devote to Nanjo as is.
>Sunhwa's and Mokyeon's friends
I'd actually really like this too, their background shenanigans always caught my eye.
>>6564
>kind of look like they belong in different webtoons
I can kinda understand where you're coming from? Though I don't think it's egregious. The artist quite obviously enjoys the visual disparity between Seo-Jun and Jihan, to say nothing of probably just enjoying Seo-Jun's expressions in general, and that bleeds through into how they're drawn. Compared to Seo, Jihan doesn't really get any like… exaggerated expressions or gag panels. He's super low-key in comparison to Seo (or any other character, even), which you probably clocked while reading. I dig it, but like yeah, you could drop Jihan in a purely serious manhwa and he'd fit perfectly.

Did any nonnas here finish Legs That Won't Walk, and was it worth it?
I remembered dropping it around 70 chapters or so, but Black Apricot's new series looks interesting with the medieval fantasy setting and an evolved art style, so I was wondering if Legs was worth revisiting.
In any case, she seems to have a very consistent kink for black-haired bottoms getting abused to further blonde tops' ambitions

this is like the manhwa equivalent of those monthly gacha revenue charts. can't say i'm surprised at all

>>6602
Lezhin is definitely making crazy bank off these top series. I'm not a merch person but I've always been impressed by the quality and variety of their pop-up stores concepts and merch line.

>>6602
Do you think the list is still decent if I've never read webtoons but want to read BL webtoons without knowing where to start? I know Jinx and BJ Alex are popular enough to bring the artist to a con in France last year and there were so many fans from all over Europe that the con sold out all its tickets, but that doesn't mean much in terms of quality.

>>6631
The titles on the list are not recent releases but I'd say they do a decent job of introducing the genre and its common tropes. But it's not especially useful when it comes to helping people find something they'd actually enjoy. For the record, I enjoyed #1–4 and Full Volume, but I can't bring myself to recommend them without a whole list of caveats.

What I'd suggest instead is checking the popularity charts on official platforms/pirate sites (picrel is Lezhin US's popular titles from 2025), and just picking whichever series has an art style or premise that catches your eye.

If there's something specific you're looking for or hoping to avoid (e.g. ABO, school settings, entertainment industry, sports elements, power fantasy à la Solo Leveling), it might also help to ask in this thread. I think the nonnas here would be great at suggesting titles that better match your tastes.

bosoms of the white night

>>6660
I'm liking this work a lot, both of the guys look pretty in different ways (love Tei's body and simple design, Shuraka's colors are pretty). I used to like manga more and I still do but I'm more interested in manhwa like this one lately because the art is getting good and the stories are crazier and spicier. It seems to me like manhwa authors are experimenting a lot, and don't get me wrong there's a lot of rubbish but also a lot of good works that are getting popular. I feel like bl mangas are becoming a bit boring with the settings and tropes.

>>6662
>both of the guys look pretty in different ways
Yes something about their differences really gets me going. The original Shuraka design leaned more masc (still objectively attractive, for sure) but the current version, and the whole dynamic and contrast between them, is much more appealing.

>>6666
I hadn't seen these! These look so cool, though just as you said I love that he looks a bit "cuter" with the official design.

>No More Eurydice
MC is a piano major with an abusive prof set on "grooming" him.
I'm very intrigued by the set-up but unfortunately EN fan TL only goes up to chapter 12. cmoa has up to 118 chapters though…

>>6685
That sounds so hot. I'm going to check it out!

>>6685
Oooh, Whiplash the manhwa; very intriguing

Twink death

If you like fucking crazy bottoms who are obsessed with the top and controls the relationship, I recommend "Even in your Death" by Jinan. You might see the alt translation title "Die in my arms" from scanlators. It really pulls on the heartstrings and I feel a lot for the top. The bottom is hilariously insane but I can't help but to love him.

>>6773
Thanks for this rec nonna. It's the first manhwa I've read in years because I'm not too fond of most of the art styles and tropes kek but I binged all the way to the recent chapter. I really enjoyed how psychotic the bottom is and how the top is given a lot of depth and backstory too, even moreso than the bottom which is rare to see.

>>6773
Anon I love you this was so good but the comment section is so retarded I'm so annoyed. I'm a vers fan usually but I hope the MC NEVER gets penetrated EVER, everyone will eat up the generic rapist top x blubbering bottom trope and you have ONE webcomic that subverts that people suddenly want a vers couple kek. FUCK that. My only complaint is I wish the dicks weren't comically sized but I get since they have huge bodies then regular sized dicks would look off.
>>6774
Yes! I'm a huge seme fan and I hate how they're usually so underdeveloped! I love the seme's backstory Fuuuck he's so pathetic but I love he was so willing to accept Minyoung if he just lied about why their relationship was fated. He didn't like hearing the truth! I love that. Also, the bottom trying to top at first but giving in bc he wanted to have sex with the seme that much… love that trope. Again I can't gush enough about this webtoon, I like that their love for each other is so intense but convoluted! The bottom wants the top to support him through everything fucked up he wants to do, and the top wants someone to love him & not leave and also be there unconditionally for him! But they clash and I love it. Also fuck every comment that wants to go back to the present already, we are literally almost there!!! We just have to get to the part where Minyoung outs them to the father. I also do wonder what's going to happen with the stalker and if he's just a past issue or going to pop up again.

>>6774
I'm really really glad you liked it too! When I discovered it by accident, I did the same thing too where I binged it so fast. I love the writing, and the art is very well done, even with the CG portions inside. The artist does her best with her schedule and it really shows. More than anything the top-bottom dynamic is one of those super rare ones and it's also done very well, and the story bothers to develop the top. I wish more stories gave more development or love to the tops but most of that is given just to the bottom instead. I can't wait to see where it's going after the hospital scene. We still need to see the outing

>>6775
I was the anon complaining about that SWITCH whinging on the venting thread, so I completely get you. You can never get a good discussion on that hellsite kek, but damned if it's not tempting to see if there's some glimmer of intelligence out there.

Yeah the huge dicks are a big staple of KR BL at this point but I will give the artist props in that the dicks look good even if they're hilariously big. The balls are drawn great too.

>Yes! I'm a huge seme fan and I hate how they're usually so underdeveloped!
omg are you me? I wish there were more stories that gave love and development to semes too! I hate bottoms but there's just too much emphasis on them. As sad and pathetic as Cheol is, I get why. He's been abused so terribly and everyone has let him down in his family, yes even his uncle, who is a piece of fucking shit for allowing his brother to abuse a child. Even Cheol knows he can't really count on that uncle. In that scene when he told him "It's not like you'll take me away and raise me instead." Oh my heart broke! And then with Minyeong threatening to kill his family, I see why he's so freaked out. It's not just the stockholm, but Minyeong WILL go to prison and there goes everything Cheol could depend on. I hope Cheol gets the ending he deserves.

>>6778
I just realized I said I hated bottoms. I meant to say "I don't hate bottoms but…"

>>6778
>You can never get a good discussion on that hellsite kek
Yeah I get they're mostly kids but come on… I wanted subversion in BL after my 5th manga, how do these people not get bored by typical tropes??
>The balls are drawn great too.
Kek okay I'll pay closer attention next chapter because I never picked up on that tbh.
>there's just too much emphasis on them
YES, omg esp when the top is hot but all the scene focuses on is the cookie-cutter feminine bishie no one can take their eyes off of, like PLEASE give me one scene of the top trying to hold it together!

No I get that too but I love it. I like his particular brand of desperation and the way everyone will chide him for not going along with it. At least the uncle refused to give in for the study abroad thing but unfortunately we know that Cheol does end up giving it to Jungwoo. Yeah like Cheol has a very human reaction to his circumstances and sorry I reallly love how Minyeong specifically is a person who elicits sympathy from the same people who struggle to give any to Cheol! His uncle is trying to make amends when he's older at least, and I'm glad that Cheol's fears of having that love be retracted after his cousin was born turned out to be proven false! Me too, I hope everything ends well for him, him giving the people who hurt him nth number of chances, and even considering maybe his father would have changed a little after 10 years and being disappointed once again is so! He's my favorite kind of desperation a guy who tries so hard to not be vulnerable but really does want to be! He's just been scorned so many times. Also the bottom being compared to the top's father… ♥
>>6779
It's okay I'll say it for you: I hate most bottoms. If I ever read an og BL work 99% of the time it's for the top even if he is stereotypical as hell.

>>6780
If you look at the ones labeled "official" you'll see the uncensored genitals. I still appreciate the scanlators for being ahead of the game.

>how do these people not get bored by typical tropes??
They claim they are but start screeching "SWITCH WHEN?" if the top is anything but a repugnant abusive rapist. They're so misogynistic it's crazy.

>If I ever read an og BL work 99% of the time it's for the top even if he is stereotypical as hell.
Us semefags need to stick together. I'm the same as you when I get into a BL. While I am open to the bottoms should they not be the stereotypical bottom from ye olde 2000s days, I really am drawn more towards the tops and want to know more about them, even if they're psycho too.


I'm really happy that the uncle didn't discard Cheol after his son was born too. I think he's beginning to compensate for where his love and interference should have been. But I get this strange feeling that there is something else happening that hasn't been revealed yet. I can't help but to think Cheol's uncle had an affair with the mother. And it's not from the scanlator's translation. I had the suspicion before with the dad's comments. Later in the dinner scene, the uncle praises his SIL a lot where she seems blushy-interested if that makes sense. It would also explain why both the mom and uncle are such little bitches about the abuse. Mother because she feels immense guilt for cucking her husband, and brother for the cucking and the parental preference thing. I dunno that's just my hunch. Both scenarios, secret love child and abused nephew, are just as messed up no matter how you look at it

>Also the bottom being compared to the top's father… ♥
Wait remind me when this happened.

Also I want to see more of Minyeong's secretly yandere uncle. He's really hot. I want to see him get with a dude and be psycho-yandere all over again but with a man. And hopefully not end up with another dead spouse

>>6781
>you'll see the uncensored genitals
Okay if they're well-proportioned maybe I'll give those a go.
>They're so misogynistic it's crazy
Doesn't help they're the same ones feeding into/demanding for more cuntboy… it all makes sense
>stereotypical bottom from ye olde 2000s days
YES what is up with that!!! Even then there was nuance back then as it matched the tone of the story and the bottom ended up warming up but I'll read stuff sometimes and it's like. This did not feel like a romance NOR was it even an interesting mxm fiction I feel cheated.
>even if they're psycho too
I LOVE psycho tops! The biggest appeal to a lot of semes for me are people who have such big emotional voids and cling onto the first thing that fills it. If a psycho seme gets one small sentence contextualizing their behavior you bet I will hang onto that more than the bottom getting endless praise for the nth time from everyone. LBH & WKX are some of my faves for this reason. If I think too hard about LBH specifically I will tear up.
>I think he's beginning to compensate for where his love and interference should have been
I agree I'd even say he's been very nice since Cheol is still unemployed and he's still supporting him and just asks him to be involved with his cousin/nephew.
>why the mom and uncle are such little bitches about the abuse
What an interesting theory! I did think something was a little off, but now that you mention it. It makes me wonder if **the comparisons b/w Cheol & the uncle are kind of meant to be misleading? Since they could be read either as the cycle of abuse or a love affair? That also makes me wonder if it happened before the uncle's wife came into the picture or she's also a victim… It's strange to me we don't really see her since the uncle's giving their money away, I wonder how she feels about it?
>secret love child and abused nephew
I hope it's one of those things that get brought up but never answered, I'd love to see the dad get so paranoid and anxious but never be able to ultimately put his doubts to rest.
>Wait remind me when this happened.
I mean it's more indirectly. When Minyeong got Cheol the same balloons he wanted from his dad, and Cheol said it wasn't about the balloons he just wanted evidence from his dad that he loved him and then later on asks about the bottom's actual feelings for him and gets upset when it isn't like the unconditional love that comes from a family member. And Cheol blaming his father for the same emotional issues he wants Minyeong/believes Minyeong can resolve.
>be psycho-yandere all over again but with a man
YESSS! That would be good I do want to know what pushed his wife over the edge too and how much he's covered for Minyeong over the years. Also what were the circumstances from Minyeong strangling/drowning that kid besides him being related to the Mimi's death and how tf did he get out of it…

Also the stalker!

>>6782
>Doesn't help they're the same ones feeding into/demanding for more cuntboy… it all makes sense
Absolutely. I can't in good faith call them real fujos with that sort of mentality, especially when they're also okay with CB. They're a part of the cancer the fujo community has been plagued with since the pandemic.

I'm really curious to find out what the uncle will do (or not) now that Minyeong revealed he beat the shit out of the dad since he went back to beating Cheol. Maybe now having that son will be that wake up call the uncle needed to get his shit together with his nephew and do something. Filial piety can be good but it's also very insidious.

>that also makes me wonder if it happened before the uncle's wife came into the picture or she's also a victim…
Since we haven't seen her at any point or even heard her being mentioned in the future (seriously, if she were present then shouldn't she be the one during the parent day event and not Cheol?) I do think maybe if an affair happened, it was before the uncle married his wife. I can't help but to think he might have had some resentment toward his younger brother with how abusive he was toward him. I don't even think the dad knows he got cucked but probably senses it given how absolutely batshit he's been behaving in regards to his older brother.

Oh it's also very interesting when exactly Minyeong got into the uncle's life. I'm trying to remember the age of the cousin, but Minyeong became active in uncle's life 6 years ago. Makes me really wonder if the cousin was conceived yet or born…. You can't help but think paranoid when Minyeong is involved kek

Ah I see what you mean. That scene was so melancholic but lovely. I really feel for Cheol.

>I do want to know what …and how much he's covered for Minyeong over the years.
Same! What sort of psycho shit did he do to his wife to kill herself? He stopped writing too. Did he steal from her? Did he isolate her from everyone she loved? Gaslit? I want to know.

And for the fucking cover up. What the hell did the uncle do keep Minyeong out of fucking jail. Like what? There excuse in the world to explain how a 14 year old did all that stuff "by accident." The uncle has some pull. Probably not as much as current day Minyeong but something to fix what happened years prior with the drowning/choking

THE STALKER - I think that guy might still be around even in the present day. Unless it was Minyeong who sabotaged Cheol's cafe venture, I think the guy got fucked over bad by the stalker and never knew. Though current Minyeong hadn't mentioned him so there's a chance he's out of the picture?

Rec for BPDemon nightmare uke enjoyers: groupie sweetie. I think this is the first time I saw an uke throatfuck his seme as well.

>>6818
Godspeed nonna. I wish ukes in manga were just as insane. Makes me realize I'm not so uke-biased but whoever-gets-predated-upon-biased. I love the ukes here but I feel for the semes…

>>6819
I feel like the masses are slowly warming up to twisted aggressive bottoms. It will always be a niche but i feel like I’ve been running into it more than i have even 5-6 years ago.