No.3151
Personally I prefer manga, there's something about manhwa's art styles that I don't like but I can't really put my finger on it to say exactly why. Even then I did really enjoy Killing Stalking, tho I prefer the early art style a lot more.
No.3152
>>3149I saw this thread on cc and I'll say nearly the same thing here: manhwa is really ugly to me and every time I take a chance on one based on the chatter of other fujos I feel like I got tricked. I don't care for the formatting either. Original BL comics outside of 18+ one-shots are a hard sell to me though.
>I just like colors if I’m being honest.Colors are actually a minus to me because if I like something I want it to come out as fast as it can haha. Screentone that shit and send it off to print!
No.3153
I'm more of a manga fan. I've never cared much for color, and I don't like the art style, as other anons have said. I think it's the shoulders and something about the faces. I know nothing about art, so it's hard to say why, but I like how manga often looks more expressive?
No.3154
I hate the scrolling in manhwa. You sometimes can't see all the pictures effectively because there's such an emphasis on continuous scrolling it feels like all of it is noise. That or there's just a whole bunch of wasted white space. The whole format is just a pain in the ass.
There are some that use it well (King's Maker and [not-bl but its beautiful and underrated] Carp With Thousand Eyes comes to mind), but Id' rather not go through so much trash to find something like them… I just leave that up to friends who like manwha to recommend to me.
No.3157
I mainly read manga and have no strong opinions on manwha. I don't read webtoons or anyrhing and their print books are clearly not Japanese but that doesn't bother me. I guess from my experience their stuff tends to be "girlier" for lack of a better term. Like in all the ones I've read their men are much more androgynous. But it might just be the series I've checked out.
No.3164
Source of the manga picrel?
No.3165
Manga. I've read some manhwa before but 8/10 times the art is way too bland and soulless for me. I prefer manga illustration and panelling a lot more. Korea also seems to be going through its early yaoi stages because holy fuck are some body proportions insane. Some semes are so roided up and huge it's too gross for me to look at.
No.3187
>>3165> Korea also seems to be going through its early yaoi stagesHoly shit yes. I'm sure that there's some decentely drawn BL manhwa out there but damned if I'm going to slog through all that bland trash. Honestly, I'd rather wait out its awkward teen phase.
No.3201
Going to go against the grain a bit and say manhwa/webtoons, even though I like manga just fine too. It makes me a little sad when people wholesale dismiss manhwa art because there's quite a lot of variability in my experience–some is even black and white, like Yona and Chang-il as well as BJ Alex. I can agree that a lot of webtoons are unapologetic slop because the BL space is so oversaturated and relatively new with a low barrier of entry. And the schedules are so tight it doesn't leave any breathing room, so for a lot of releases, there are obvious signs of 3d model usage, sloppy coloring that detracts from the style, and wonky proportioning. I also dislike how much white space a lot of webtoons have. On the flip side, I think it is much easier to read on mobile (where I do most of my reading), and there is just so much content that I never run out of stuff to read. There are webtoons with art styles that I genuinely like a lot, and because the space is so competitive, there are a lot of titles that have interesting plots and dynamics. I still read and enjoy yaoi manga, but I definitely read more BL webtoons and have a lot of fun with them.
No.3248
I feel partially responsible for this thread existing because I defended webtoons in the other thread, then as usual I chickened out of responding when I realized that I'm not reading explicitly BL comics. I have since tried reading a couple, and they were the most aimless things with no plan or ambition, just a decent artist (which, given the examples people post, doesn't seem to be common for current BL webcomics) and a gimmick concept. Years back I read Raising A Bat, King Maker, and The Priest's Chart, which were actually BL, and I quite enjoyed them, but all of them had issues with translations being stuck behind ever moving paywalls. Different seasons on different apps, so you had to wait for some shoddy JPEG rip on random manga aggregate sites that didn't always support vertical comics. They're probably better at vertical uploads now.
At the moment the only BL webtoons I'm reading are Raising the Demonic Cult's Leader (extremely slow murim with a pretty MC), and I Became The Lousy Side Top, an adaptation of a webnovel parodying generic Korean BL tropes. However the quality of the latter's chapters has noticeably declined, and it was of course plagued by stock background assets ("there's no oven in this entire kitchen!" he states, staring at 2-4 copypasted ovens). The MC's love interest is fairly bland and too innocent, but I loved his interactions with the bad boy loanshark because cynical bitch bottom and baffled stoic demon top is pretty fun. I want the "original novel"'s couple to get together because it'd be more interesting than the MC having fluff with him.
Anyway yeah, I read far more BL manga than BL webtoons. The format is best suited for page turners, sort of throwaway entertainment that is made of cliffhangers and twists, however that means many originals are in a perpetual cycle of trying to make something happen only at the end of a chapter to make you come back next time. And next time it ends up being nothing until the end of the chapter. I think it works far better for adaptations and planned stories, where they can have some meat in the chapter before timing a reveal or cliffhanger, but as far as I can tell the BL webtoon industry is quantity over quality. That means the majority are also not my genre, I get far more fantasy, supernatural, and wistful romances from manga.
So why did I say I read some pretty good webtoons? Because I'm into those webnovels where all the comments on official uploads treat it like a BL. The ones with two male leads who can't stop having back and forths and reluctantly broing it up. My first was probably How to Survive in a Fantasy World back in 2012ish, and I was not surprised to learn it had fanbook events for shipping. Old man stop looking for your wife and see the strapping fella stood beside you, geez. Going onto SID after that was easy, and it had some vibes that reminded me of manga I liked in the past. Never did finish that one.
Post got too long, hang on.
No.3249
>>3248The current ones I'm into are TWSB, LCF, BIDS, SRH, SRIH, HI, and GED (two of these don't have comics yet, one has a comic that is so shit it actively made me pay money for overpriced novel chapters full of typos). It's like danmei all over again with these abbreviations. Biggest difference is your mileage will vary hard on how much isekai/transmigration, dungeon break, and regression you can stomach. I love this shit for narrative convenience and creating both action and social situations. I think the long format suits these best because they're sagas that go on for fucking ever. The adaptations don't have to worry about making up something new to end each chapter with, they have a plan that goes on for months worth of content. Most of all what I like are the types of MCs who draw people in with concern and admiration. MCs who take casts on wild rides because they think in unexpected ways, and sometimes pull off captivating acts/speeches. If someone worries that they're mad but brilliant then I am here with my popcorn.
I love my tidily concluded short BL manga, and how pretty and varied the art styles can be with some wonderfully researched clothing and architecture, but webtoon provide a different entertainment that I also crave. It's easy for me to consume both at their own rates. The Korean content however has fanart by the bucket load compared and I can actually talk to people about it without embarrassment. You read a five chapter long BL, enjoy it, and nobody has any clue it exists and if they do they'll tell you it's "generic shit" for some reason or another and shut down conversation. The genuinely dumb adventures of "guy stuck in a book" generate more chatter and jokes. As a result it ends up looking like I don't read BL manga at all and spend all my time on Korean no homo.
No.3253
>>3248>I think it works far better for adaptations and planned storiesThis is fairly common for BL webtoons, though, no? Passion, Payback, Zero Day Attack, Define the Relationship, Odd Love, Touch-up, Codename: Anastasia, XXX Buddy, and Hard-boiled Love are all based on novels, and that's just off the top off my head. In general, I think webtoons based on novels tend to have a better "hook" and have more substance (so they don't feel aimless halfway through), but they tend to suffer from similar problems as any other webtoon, especially if the artist is just okay or doesn't adapt the novel very well. There are BL webtoons written and drawn by just one person that have better narrative substance and pacing than ones based on novels, so it's very YMMV. You did help me realize that part of why I'm drawn to BL webtoons (and webnovels) is probably because I like long stories, and BL manga tends to be rather short. I'm usually left wanting more…
>That means the majority are also not my genre, I get far more fantasy, supernatural, and wistful romances from manga.Also, about this…I feel like there are a lot of supernatural/fantasy entries within BL webtoons, which isn't surprising since Koreans are huge fans of media that deals with muism (Korean shamanism), both in K-dramas and in webtoons. The Ghost's Nocturne (picrel) is probably my favorite example, but there's also Night of the Unmarked, One Summer Day, Uncanny Charm, Dreaming of the Dokkaebi, A Twisted Fate, The Boy Who Stole From the Fairy Lake, and quite a few others. If that's not the kind of fantasy/supernatural you mean (I really like stories about muism, so I seek them out), there are probably still entries that would suit your tastes. Unless you mean LOTR type of fantasy, that seems to be peculiarly unpopular. Also, there's plenty of sad wistful pining in BL webtoons, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
I'm not trying to argue with you or anything, I just wanted you to know that it sounds like there might be BL webtoons that actually are a good fit for you. I think the sheer magnitude of BL webtoons makes people reluctant to go hunting, especially when there are so many weak entires, but as someone who stress reads BL webtoons by the dozens, I feel a sense of duty to clarify things about them that people don't seem to realize. But, if you're happy with your webnovels with BL vibes and those adaptations, more power to you, of course. I was surprised you didn't mention ORV, though, since that feels like the most common example.
No.5966
>>5963>mfw the entirety of chapter 22i signed up for hot men but only received suffering
>buff/ugly bottom and pretty topi love that too. been seeing many positive comments about yang il woo and have been meaning to pick it up but haven't got the time. really need to work on my backlog. i'm also enjoying you are my world, the alpha is too adorable.
anon are you reading blossoms of the white night by the way? there are only 8 chapters out at the moment but it's another pretty top x stoic buff bottom.
indomitable champion is also shilling a lot of the blonde guy by popular demand so it may be up your alley
No.5968
>>5966Yang Il-Woo is really great! It's a nice break from more smut-driven stories. It's standard fare from Park Nodeok in which she focuses more on the characters and the story while the sex is not very explicit akin to Shape of Sympathy/Form of Sympathy
The alpha in You Are My World is batshit, but I love him. It's hilarious reading the comments on mangago since they're so divided on who to support, him or the omega and most of them seem like they've never read omegaverse stories lol. I do wish the redhead + bear side couple had reversed positions; Redhead is definitely the bottom since there's pics floating around from bboong where he's wearing a butt-plug tail. From Never Understand/Out of Control, I notice bboong likes to make more conventional pairings for her side couples.
I've read the first chapter of Blossoms of the white night, but I'm holding off on reading more since I'm still sad about Dear Zero being shelved lol. Idk if I'll read Indomitable Champion since it's more hardcore than I'm usually into, but, I'll check out the extra chapters to see who you're talking about.
No.6102
>>5968I'm back to sperg about You Are My World. I think I need to let it stockpile updates before going back purely because I can't deal with the dogshit takes in the mgo comments after every new update lol. I feel like I'm tweaking every time someone says the Su-ah (the Alpha) deserves better because he definitely does not considering he's constantly doing underhanded shit to keep Juhyeok on a leash. Did no else one get spooked about how he's already contemplating on how to take their relationship to the next level since he's well aware that Juhyeok is trying to find a way to discard him. Su-ah is constantly on the cusp of just straight-out turning this into a confinement story
which would be a fun little arc because I can 100% imagine Su-ah would be pampering him, crying all over the place and constantly begging for Juhyeok's attention to the point Juhyeok would probably end up just taking pity on him No.6103
>>6102I need to catch up on it/probably outright re-read to give a better response but
>dogshit takes/Su-ah deserves better???
He's extremely devoted sure whatever but he's not some ultra pure angel. Like you said he's done underhanded shit to stake his claim on Juhyeok (the unknowingly scenting him for one), him being more emotional/soft does not at all mitigate that. He's super doting and hopelessly in love but he has no issue trying to get over on Juhyeok (like Su-ah outright being thankful Juhyeok is dumb because it made him able to convince him to let him cum on his back), or how in general he's always willing to try and push the envelope a bit when they engage physically. Su-ah is legit very inconsiderate, worried for mgo commenters if they somehow can not see that, wew.
No.6104
>>6103Right?? I get that they're teenagers in most cases, but I'm pretty sure there's a good amount of adult fujos commenting and it's sorta insane they're so dickmitized by Su-ah to not see how messed up he is. I love the obsessive, doting characterization, but I'm failing to understand how some many of the commenters can't see that he's a total freak. It annoys me even more when they say they want Juhyeok to chase him or that Su-ah ends up with the super twink omega for the third couple who just got introduced in the latest chapter. Don't they know Su-ah would probably kill himself and Juhyeok before he even thought about touching another omega? And that Su-ah lives to serve Juhyeok in any capacity possible?
Also, are you the anon that was reading God of Peace/Master-Peace too? If you are, how did you think about the season finale? I thought it was an interesting way to end the season and
makes me think that the next season is going to be Incheol doing everything to make up for what happened to the ML since Incheol clearly has a conscience deep down and draws the line on child endangerment over the litany of other crimes he commits lol No.6105
>>6104NTA but I'm the anon from
>>5966Incheol has too much to atone for I don't know how he's going to make up for anything. He's already crashing out from Pyeonghwa's mum and now he finds out about the child abuse. He's only going to spiral further when he learns the full implications of his actions on Pyeonghwa's life/medical condition. And Pyeonghwa has been internalising his rage all this time so I'm curious he's going to handle the revelations. At the moment I just feel quite pessimistic about these two like I find it so hard to imagine a satisfying and happy ending for them and it makes me depressed… No.6106
>>6104>not see how messed up he is/they want Juhyeok to chase himThe underlying disconnect for them imo is that Su-ah took becoming an Alpha better than Juhyeok took being an Omega. It just does not seem to click for Su-ah that Juhyeok still has major hang-ups with his nature, and even worse Su-ah is totally fine using his own nature as a tool to crowbar himself into accessing Juhyeok. Can not imagine Juhyeok chasing/reciprocating until either 1. that's addressed or 2. he surrenders to the love bombing. They're a fun pair but pretty far from "pure innocent yearning soul" x "shitty dumb tsundere".
>it's sorta insane they're so dickmitizedDon't forget the puppy-dog eyes! Keep on keeping on, mgo commenters… at least a few seem to acknowledge Su-ah for what he is.
No.6108
>>6105I agree with this. I also don't know how Pyeonghwa is going to recover from his injuries, if ever, and I feel like he probably has whatever his mom had that led to her death. The tone of the manhwa makes it hard to assume that there will ever be any romance in this and that it'll end tragically or bittersweet, too>>6106I have the same thoughts about it why they dote on Su-ah more. Maybe Juhyeok having identity issues is too complex for the sort of story they thought this would be and probably because they think Juhyeok is too ugly. Personally, I think Juhyeok is probably going to surrender to the love-bombing since, deep, deep, deep down he has a soft spot for Su-ah or Su-ah gets hurt somehow and Juhyeok is going to freak the fuck out and try to help him recover. Plus, I've been re-reading and it's pretty clear from the start that while Su-ah might have started scenting Juhyeok first because he really did think it would help, it definitely developed into him doing it to keep Juhyeok totally reliant on him AND to stake a claim to keep any other alphas from trying anything with Juhyeok, especially in his judo club.
No.6169
>>5968Late reply but I finally sat myself down and started Yang Ilwoo.
I'm completely unfamiliar with Nodeok so there were zero expectations, but I really liked it… the small town is claustrophobic, and the MCs' desperation feel so raw and heavy I'm gonna have to read other manhwa slop to decompress.
But anyway it was great and anon if you're still here thank you for your recommendation.
Also if you're still looking for buff bottoms you might enjoy Lattepanda's Office Hero. The plot isn't groundbreaking but it has a lot of angst potential.
No.6170
>>6169I am still here!!! I'm really glad you liked it! I think actually think this is Nodeok's best work so far because the storytelling flows so well, so I'm happy you ended up liking it too despite not reading her other works
Also, I'm reading Office Hero too haha (I have no life lol). I' m surprised they fucked already but, then again Love in Orbit (which I love and I'm salty there aren't side stories about Gabin) was super-sex heavy so I should've known. It is a bit generic, but I wanna see the dragon transform into his human form and how he impacts the story
No.6171
>>6102You should NOT have made me aware of the comment section, this is hysterical. Full-on slapfights over the latest chapter. Juhyeok pulling out the
literal cum jars was… a choice on his behalf but man it kicked up a storm. I even agree with some of them the Juhyeok isn't exactly spotless (the date itself was simply because he knew he ought to butter up Su-ah before he made his request) but damn did it awaken the #SaveSu-ah beast even more. Mad curious about the next chapter, lel.
All that said I also think I'm gonna re-read A Fate Rewritten, the seme's absolutely nutter-butter in that and I really like the design of the side love interest.
No.6175
>>6171Kek, at least someone is enjoying the comment section. It's crazy how divided they are but it's so funny that
some of the more normal commenters predicted the cum jars a chapter or two back.
I tried reading A Fate Rewritten when it was first coming out but the top is way too crazy for me. I tried re-reading it because of this comment and I'm mad the second top will never get with him.
did the bottom and second top ever have sex? If so, please direct me to the chapter lol No.6177
>>6175>predictedLel, nice.
>the top is way too crazy for me.Absolutely understandable, in general it's pretty wild, spoilers
I recall toward the end the final confrontation with Geolson and Moonyoung + all the side cast dying being mega melodramatic/silly. I think he's fun because he's shitty in such a specific way. Lee was always manipulative but chapter 13 absolutely trashes even the possibility of considering he might be a bit better than his past self. From then it's just watching him do something cruel, feel genuinely bad about it after, only to instantly get set off again and repeat the cycle. I gotta finish my re-read because I'm honestly blanking on a few bits but it's definitely NOT a sweet romance because he really is just a total ass for a long while, so in turn the
hopeful ending probably won't reaaally feel right. Overall though I think it conveys the massive gap in their power dynamics really well, in that there's genuine affection from Lee/Moonyoung but he's just too much of a tyrant to really be reasonable when Geolson/Jung doesn't immediately go kyaaah and bend over at his every compliment, and thus will quickly use that gap to his advantage in return. It's definitely more suited to someone who /really/ enjoys dickhead tops/miserable bottoms.
>Mad the second top will never get himI do like quite like Lee but, yeah, felt. Kitae is legitimately handsome and I kinda hate liking him so much because
no, nothing goes anywhere with him and Jung, the best he gets is a hug, I believe. No.6183
>>6177Justice for Kitae. I wish he dicked down MC so MC could have loving sex
and then still end up with Lee to keep his life miserable lol I feel there's shades of this dynamic in Beware of the Full Moon in March, though only in the start.