/wes/ - Western & Alternative Style

I just want to see vehicle people fucking

I need… vehicle guys…

>>104
Based, didn't expect to see a transformers thread here
anyone got any thoughts on soundstar? I remember suddenly getting into it a while ago

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I hope the new comics will revitalize the fandom and do some cool shit. I am mainly a comic fan for TF, since the comics seem to target an audience who is a bit older (or at least not young kids in particular) and allow much more freedom than a super expensive CGI show does.
Hope that we will see some secondary villains and autobot forces like Straxus, Nova or Impactor/the wreckers at some point.

Saw some leaked photos of Optimus beating Starscream in a basketball match which is lowkey hilarious. Would post it but you know.

So did any of you read the first issue of the new comic? Any hopes or fears? What are your opinions on Earthspark?

Personally I think I liked the comics and Cyberverse the most so far. With comics I mean various series that were part of Dreamwave, IDW1 and IDW2. The lore bits of Marvel are also cool, but nobody reads them and honestly for a good reason. It would be cool if the new comics could implement the good Marvel parts and do something modern and better with them, but I am not holding my breathe.
What I am sure about is that I will fucking miss the IDW and post-G1 cartoon characters since I doubt they will appear anything soon or ever, if they take the G1 pandering that seriously.

>>790
Earthspark seems to have received a middling reception apart from the Soundwave design. Something about the designs in Earthspark makesbmy skin crawl, which is strange because Roche's art isn't bad. I don't really care for Mae Catt's writing and the dumbass abuse plotline just reminded me I have to rewatch TFP.
The comic was ok, I could never really get into IDW but it seems passable so far. They didn't hesitate killing characters though

>>791
Yeah I don't like the designs either. Megs and Bee are fine, I could even get used to Optimus but I can't get into any of the terrans and don't care about any of them. I wish it was just Dorothy, her husband and the legacy characters. Cartoon OCs almost never work for me. Wouldn't call it bad though, just gratingly unspectacular and not because it's aimed at a younger audience than IDW even. Cyberverse did that too and I enjoyed the later two season quite a lot.
>the dumbass abuse plotline just reminded me I have to rewatch TFP.
Kek I never finished TFP either. People hyped it up as dark but I failed to see it, to me it was another kids cartoon about nerdy teens becoming special by finding the magical mcguffin. Sadly Earthspark has the same premise and I am tired of it.

The abuse part was dumb and it stopped mattering like 20 minutes later and everybody became friends. I am not a fan of that trope anyway because beside IDW it usually ignores that Starscream is, at best, a war criminal and upper echelon of a dictatorship in favor of making him a poor uwu. Nothing against villains btw., my favorite bots are from IDW/Dreamwave and like half of the cast are mentally ill mass murderers there. But it's annoying when this gets ignored to appease a specific group of Starscream fans that project their issues into him. Technically there should be way more Autobots and defectors that are traumatized by Megatron's crimes anyway.

Speaking about it I really dislike how the show keeps ignoring the past to clarify what war they were even fighting. They adapted the flowers of the dead from IDW but then never bother with the lore. IDW's Megatron was a psychopath and even when he eventually turned better he was broken by grief. I have a hard time imagining that a generic nice dudes like ES Megs and Starscream have ever killed millions, because that's what the flowers stand for.

>>793
Sorry anon I'm one of those people who started with TFP, I just want to do a rewatch because it's been years. People say that it's too self-important or boring and I do agree sometimes, but I really liked the designs and a bunch of the Decepticons. On the earthspark thing, I just don't think trying to transplant TFP plotlines into Earthspark worked with how lukewarm every character is, apart from Shockwave and Soundwave being emotional exes. It's not like every Transformers series is going to have TFP levels of Megatron being a coked up nutcase to Starscream, so it just seems silly. It's the same with how they tried to transplant Autobot Megatron but they forgot to actually flesh out what he did before, so he's just… there.
I'd kill for Knock Out to show up again because he's so entertaining and mean but maybe not in any of these recent series because nothing has resonated with me in a while

>>794
>It's the same with how they tried to transplant Autobot Megatron but they forgot to actually flesh out what he did before, so he's just… there.
Good points and explains what annoys me about it. Seems like they transplanted TFP content in the same manner. They oddly enough did this with WfC (Netflix) as well. E.g. they mentioned that Megs was an oppressed miner, but don't even explain who oppressed him or how. Later Impactor is said to be an ex-miner and former friend of Megs (like in IDW1), but again, it's mentioned and forgotten. They never talk, we never learn about their past etc.

ES had the flowers from IDW and the many names on the Memorial, so there must have been thousands of victims. But Megs is just the nice guy everybody loves, nobody but the OC villain holds any grudges, how does that work? In IDW Megs' presence caused a schism within the crew since many couldn't forgive him and refused to work with an Autobot that befriended him. And in the end Megs was executed for his crimes after all.
Here laws just do not exist within the robot culture. On top of that the series only and always explicitly refers to that day 15 years ago when they talk about war and death. So was there no war on Cybertron? Or did thousands die there too and the characters don't care because the show is about Earth? Again it just doesn't work without context.

Maybe even the war itself was only a nod to fans of the older TF series and not actual part of the ES plot, making it unclear what the setting of this series even is. It seems like instead of a war it was just a single terror act or fight that lasted a short while. Cutting such transplanted plot points out of their context renders them meaningless and makes the plot inconsistent. Anyway, the action is good and some characters are quite likeable, but unless s2 set things right I will primarily remember ES half-assed attempt at story telling.

>>968
This genuinely made laugh when I found it. It's a pretty good summary about this franchise.

Speaking about it what are everybody's opinions on the current comic run? Do you like it less or more than earlier comics? What are your hopes and fears?
I enjoy it surprisingly well so far, despite being a DW/IDW fan first and foremost (though not all series from them). The action is its strong point since it's top tier and reading an issue feels like a minute. Other than that Optimus is pretty good. He is one of the rare OPs that balances cuteness well with badass behavior.
Have some problems with it though. Issue 6 had a bunch of developments/scenes that felt badly written to me, the bots aren't as pretty or cute as in earlier manga or comics and my biggest fear is that it won't ever develop past a pure non-stop action series without any meaningful character developments (other than people getting more badass for the sake of action) or in-depth character stories.
After issue 7 I am also slightly annoyed by the kills tbh. Though it MIGHT mean that secondary characters end up being more important later thanks to big names dying, but I won't hold my breath. Would be frustrating if I finally saw Marvel UK favorites appear only to see them getting nuked four panels later. But I will wait till I form a proper opinion.

New movie is coming out
Looks a bit generic action-comedey but I'm still a little excited

>>971
Skybound was hype at first, especially the stuff with Soundwave in the new issue but the speed at which characters are dropping is making me feel a little tired, and their Starscream got annoying when he started killing his own soldiers for no reason. One of my favorite parts of transformers is the way characters interact with each other, especially on that drawn out Cybertronian timescale, but one thing I've noticed in a lot of newer shows and series is that the character relationships are a little anemic.
>>978
I'm hoping it's just the trailer jamming together all the crappy jokes, because the rest of the movie has so much that people has asked for over the last 15+(?) years. Cyberfauna, pre-war Cybertron, no humans, a backstory more in line with the Aligned origins. Hemsworth is even doing a passable job as Orion, and there's an insane amount of characters and bits of worldbuilding in the trailer, but I don't like the dialogue and I don't exactly like that they have to gain the tcogs. Making Orion a miner also feels like they don't want to accidentally make baby's first class war: the movie, but I'll try to be optimistic about it: the bay movies turned me off the series, but without their profits my favorite show wouldn't exist so I'll take it as it comes.
However, he librarian and gladiator backstory will always hold a place in my heart because it feels like a fairy tale and that contrast is so fun against the horror and drudgery of the war.

>>979
You and me nonna
Feel the same about the comics. Action is top tier, but characterwise only Optimus is written well so far. The humans could be cool as well, at least for human standards. But the rest is lacking. Soundwave kicking ass was nice, but my fear is that most of the Decepticons will be flat and evil and most of the Autobots mere yes-men and that the series will focus too much on cool action to ever write proper characters or dynamics.
>One of my favorite parts of transformers is the way characters interact with each other
Yes, this. Even Earthspark that focuses more on characters just gives us results like Megs and Optimus being friends, without caring to show their wartime conflicts or tell how they eventually got closer. Without that the relationship lacks the spice. And the rest of the legacy characters have nothing at all. The OCs are friends with everybody but I honestly don't like them (neither the Terrans nor their relationship dynamics), so Bee/Breakdown is the only interesting part for me.
>I'm hoping it's just the trailer jamming together all the crappy jokes
This is what I said on /co/ few hours ago. The jokes are awful and I would legit feel down if they finally used that fantastic premise only to turn it into another wacky nerd adventure for little kids that doesn't take anything seriously and refuses to thematize anything darker and depicts a "safe" war.
>Making Orion a miner also feels like they don't want to accidentally make baby's first class war
This and the attempt of making them "brothers", which I am honestly not a big fan of. I hope the impression is wrong and they deliberately try to attract the mass with shitty jokes since that's what they think the mass enjoys.

We know that Sentinel is part of the movie but the trailer doesn't show him, so maybe it's hiding the serious parts on purpose. Worst case would be that it's total shit but 1. making money (= more TF content in the future), 2. attracting tons of new fans that will later read/watch the other series and make fanart for them and 3. finally make people realize that fully animated TF movies without humans are profitable. This is the reason for why I will most likely pay for the cinema, even if the movie isn't very good.

>>971
I'm only watching cartoons right now but IDW is definitely on my to-read list

Does anyone know if Snowii draws them with vaginas? I'm interested in their patreon, but you never know nowadays…

>>984
Damn, I didn't even know they are drawing nsfw. Have some real life shit killing my cool this month but might pay for the patreon in the future to see what they have, 5 dollars aren't much. I will tell you in case I should do it (and not forget, I am retarded so I have issues dealing with so many websites lol).
But this reminds me that I swore to myself to draw nsfw for TF as well. Wish I had the chill to finish some WIPs now.
There is a serious lack of TF porn in recent times IMO. Especially if you are like me and prefer G1 and the comics over Prime and Earthspark.