No.13106
>>13104ffxiv fans are a mess of sexually repressed women. Always getting into fights over purity and getting upset when faced by people who genuinely don't care or don't want to entertain their self-made cages.
The men are no better. Either being obsessive abusers that couldn't find a girl locally, or lonely and don't want to say what they feel, generally a blend of the two at times.
You can always tell what level of socially inept they are by the mods they use. And the types that use this generally fall in "wants approval for being pure femcel/incel."
No.13111
>>13107These tweets have been on my TL this week and it's so funny, fujos around the world can relate in one way or another.
No.13113
>>13109That one is my favourite too! Nobody draws uke Gintoki as cute and slutty as she does. I also really appreciate how muscular and meaty she draws him, he always looks so rapeable :3
Speaking of rape, her 'Get Me Out' doujinshi is another one of my faves. Gin-chan getting gang-banged and blackmailed is so yummy, I've reread it multiple times.
No.13122
>>13121My friend started writing at 28 and now she's a popular author in her fandom with multilple finished 30k+ words stories. You've got this Nona!
No.13123
M/M gets a shitload of amazing work and is extremely spoiled in this aspect but I get irrationally salty when I discover a good artist and they turn out to be a yumeshart…
No.13125
>>13121That's how I feel with art. I should've worked at it harder back when I was a tween myself cause now I just feel super embarrassed that I'm in my 30s with the art skills of a deviantart tween. Hell, there's probably a bunch of 13 year olds that are better than me. Meanwhile if I had kept at it instead of being lazy I could've been really good by now.
No.13130
>>13113Omg get me out is a fave of mine too!! Loved it so much I nabbed a physical copy of it, its one of my prized jewels ദ്ദി˶ｰ̀֊ｰ́)✧
No.13131
Just because you know that poop comes from the ass doesn't excuse the need to draw cuntboys.
I see this excuse being said a lot "uhm I don't like anal" or that "anal is gross" well too fucking bad you're shipping TWO MEN, WITH BUTTS AND COCKS. If you don't like anal then just focus on blowjobs or handjobs.
This isn't an excuse to draw a fucking pussy
No.13132
>>13131I've been a fujoshi for 15 years, never liked anal, still never thought "hmm, I'm just gonna make one of the guys have female genitalia instead!!". Zoomers have truly lost the plot
No.13133
>>13131The fun thing about fictional content is that it doesn't have to be real. It's not like moids care about female anatomy. Fujos can just pretend that the uke's colon is clean and there's no consequences if the seme nuts inside.
No.13135
>>13125Think on the bright side! Now you don't have to unlearn a bunch of bad habits and you can be more intentional with your art! Join us over at OC, we're nice, I swear!
>>13133Back in ye olden days, fujos were having them use spit and Dr. Pepper as lube. Nowadays, the uke has to douche… sad world we find ourselves in.
No.13140
Retarded question but is there (still) an unofficial FC Discord server? I know it's unwise to blindly trust links like that, but I'm honestly a bit bored and lonely and would like to chat with other fujos.
>>13131I think anal is hot but sumata is underrated…
No.13142
>>13140>I think anal is hot but sumata is underrated…Yessssss, the perfect blend of frotting and teased penetration. It never shows up often enough in BL doujinshi, which a damn shame.
No.13151
>>13150Which band are you talking about? Is this about the Gazette?
No.13153
>>13151Unfortunately. The rumor is Aoi wants to start his own band since he couldn't wrestle away Kai's role as an executive, but I'm taking everything with a grain of salt since the separation is so messy on both sides. Reita's death threw everything out of sync.
No.13154
How do you guys avoid being recognized as a personalityfag?
No.13155
>>13154I don't interact with people outside of this site.
No.13156
>>13154Get mistaken for two different personalityfags at the same time.
No.13157
>>13154Inevitable ime unless you go out of your way to prevent it or you have generic enough posts and opinions.
No.13164
>>13160Agree! It's a trend and vocal minority at most, BL will always reign supreme!
No.13165
>>13154Do you have an specific niche that you and only you would do and no one else? Like if you're the only person in the world that shipped KajiKawo and made it your username, you made all fics for it, all art for it, etc etc.
Or having a penchant for saying specific things at specific threads
No.13166
>>13165nta but this feels like a trap
No.13167
>>13166I mean, that's usually how you spot a personalityfag or an xfag. As long as you don't make something your particular niche, people shouldn't find you. Or at least not be obvious about it if it's truly VERY small that only YOU can be found.
The same applies to being like a schizo with a hatred of X thing or X person and constantly post about it.
No.13168
>>13167I was joking, because the wording was them directly asking.
But, I get the feeling I am rather easy to find. As I am one of several active posters of a very, very niche ship. I try not to talk about it here because there's very little of us who will talk about it.
No.13169
>>13168I feel like transformers fujos gotta be very niche, but they keep discussing their favorite car yaoi in their thread and they dgaf. I respect them so much. Transformers nonnas, if you are reading this, you are all amazing
No.13170
>>13169I'm in some scans discords and TWO of them had to make Transformers yaoi containment channels because there was so much of it happening (nothing to do with the manga either). From what I can tell it's a broad fandom with tons of activity so maybe it
is hard to identify an anonymous TFfag on other sites.
No.13174
>>13169Transformers BL is about as strange and alien to me as that huge live action tv show shipping fanbase that apparently exists but may as well take place on a different planet for me. However I agree that it's good for them that they apparently seem to be having fun.
No.13175
>>13173My laptop is 14 years old this year, the hard drive has been replaced once though. I'm too cheap to upgrade as long as it works tbh.
No.13176
>>13175I planned to be just like you for several reasons but Microsoft is so retarded that the very last Windows 10 update is probably the reason why my last laptop can't be connected to any network without an ethernet cable that I can't use at all at home. I once had issues with my keyboard after fucking it up when trying to clean it by accidentally defying the laws of physics I guess, and went to a random place to replace it and the guy who replaced the keyboard butchered my laptop already. And then, unrelated to the keyboard, but turning on that same laptop started to be a pain in the ass a few years later and I had to press the on/off key for up to 15min non stop to hope to make it work. That was the last straw so I waited for black friday sales and bought my current laptop for half its price. I almost want to still try to repair the previous one as well but something is telling me it will cost me an arm and a leg because it has too many issues to fix at the same time.
>>13173>The AI bubble can't pop soon enough.I'm so sick of it, I'm also waiting for it to pop. I wish it were just a retarded trend that's easy to ignore like NFTs but it's literally making my job a major pain in the ass. I'm not going to say what my job is, but everyone uses AI for stupid reasons and is at least doubling my workload. And now my employers want to make me use AI but it's impossible for the tasks I have to do or even more inconvenient than doing everything myself, unless I "cheat" and use chatgpt instead of using our internal tools which is illegal because of potential chaptgpt data breaches and gdpr. My coworkers don't know how that works and don't give a fuck so they're willing to send a random their party company random people's full names, addresses and phone numbers without their consent and I refuse to do that.
Even when it comes to hobbies, AI bullshit is going to force companies to make their consoles cost more money because the components they need to build these consoles are costing a lot more. I already planned to not buy a Switch 2 yet and knowing Nintendo plans to increase its price soon isn't helping me change my mind.
>>13154I don't know, I just hope I'm not one. I use social media but made myself so easy to ignore I think I'm safe for now.
No.13185
This talk recently about being recognised combined with years of having read kiwifarms and following Turkey tom and The gamer from mars made me consider what I'd do if someone ever tried to start shit with me. I get the impression that the best thing you could do is to just not engage with any accusations and wait until it blows over.
No.13201
What are some weirdly specific BL tropes that FC likes or has noticed? I like the supportive big sister giving relationship advice and helping the lead through his emotions.
No.13202
>>13201Cuddling for warmth/sleeping together to withstand the cold. Less common, but also stranded on a deserted island and needing to work together to survive.
No.13205
>>13201This is really broad but I like pairings where opposites attract. It's cool seeing how much variety there is and the sense that they complete each other, for better or for worst. Though it gets samey since most BL fall into this category, like Popular guy x Nerd or Outgoing guy x Reserved guy. But they're like the comfort food of BL to me kek. Plus it's been cool seeing people trying to shake it up in recent years.
On the other hand, I read picrel recently and realized how rare Nerd x Nerd or Social Outcast x Social Outcast pairings are (excluding delinquents). I can think of a few enstar ships that fit this, but they're still rarepairs. There's so much untapped potential.
No.13209
I promised my irl non-fujo friend I'd show her my art acc but I genuinely can't bring myself to do that. She knows I'm a yaoi freak, she's super chill, supportive, but still, the thought of her seeing the stuff I made about my cringe hyperfixations, as well as the stuff I'm about to make… I just hate this feeling of living a double life UGH I don't wanna keep big parts of my personality hidden, but like. I'm cringe. It's common sense to keep this stuff hidden
No.13223
>>13208Yaoi gyaku ryona, where?
Sick of fluffy, safe-romance shits, I wanna see belly-punching, ryona ahegao ends with mouth-fucking.
No.13235
How do I get over shipping autism, like unironically. I don't get to the point it gives me breakdowns or anything but I do get so unreasonably upset when I see something related to a NOTP which is usually character-related (as in, "he would not fucking do that", "he would not fucking say that", etc).
It triggers a response in my brain that tries to rationalize why would someone (ship thing) but if I know the specific canon (of the thing) I just feel like someone's trying to force me to think 1+1=11.
This has always happened whenever I have a NOTP in whatever franchise I get into at a moment's notice. I'm not the type that insists on canon but at least I do wish that the character still felt like the original. Often I see that there's people who like a ship I don't and that's OK but when they ship a ship that I don't AND they just get lost in their own sauce that's when I get mad specially even more if the ship is a particular's character most popular ship.
This isn't even talking about western fandom because it happens in japanese fandom a lot too, in fact probably a lot more. Anyone that's been into KNY might have remembered the period where there was a ton of Tengen/Zenitsu that for the love of me I couldn't comprehend WHY it was a thing (this post isn't about them, but just something that came to mind).
By 'getting lost in their own sauce' meaning constant mischaracterizations, adopting 'popular' headcanons that have nothing to do with the character(s) in question, slowly forgetting their source material or actions to begin with that they start to morph into OCs, if a character is evil or unpleasant they just get woobiefied into a crying blorb, etc.
I know that people are often 'having fun' but if your fun happens at the expense of just not keeping the character consistent with their original personality what's even the point? Why not make OCs?
No.13236
>>13235>By 'getting lost in their own sauce' meaning constant mischaracterizations, adopting 'popular' headcanons that have nothing to do with the character(s) in question, slowly forgetting their source material or actions to begin with that they start to morph into OCs, if a character is evil or unpleasant they just get woobiefied into a crying blorb, etc.Your situation is very familiar to me and I don't think there is a way to cure it. Completely reading these posts that piss you off is a morbid curiosity you have to learn to kill–if you smell some bullshit block it before you even finish.
>Why not make OCs?OCs do not get the numbers skinwalking a popular character/ship does.
No.13238
>>13235Everyone but you is an idiot.
I tend to just generalize and go with the idea that other people are simply stupid, actually children, or self-inserting. It doesn't need to be true, but thinking so makes me feel a lot better.
No.13239
>>13235I completely understand you, I get so pissed at NOTPs especially when they're popular and undermine a character's characterization. I also don't really get the point of side pairings that just exist for people to smush two appealing designs together and completely neglect their interiority. Like Tengen/Zenitsu COULD be interesting because of how heterosexual they both are and what it would take to make them have any semblance of a romantic relationship, or even just a noncommittal sexual one. But people don't care about that they just care that Tengen's tall, big, charming and Zenitsu's a shaking afraid small pretty guy and treat them like a normal romcom couple. Which hey it's their prerogative but I find it frustrating, I don't ship two characters together just for the sake of seeing two males kiss, I would just consume BL manga of that was the case. I like their personalities and what it would take to have them be that consumed by each other, and the ways they would navigate their issues especially for the hyper-masculine guys who might be homophobic. I think a lot of people want a different experience with fandom, which you can tell by the amount of people who view canon as optional/look down on it and how they do their own thing with their friends while treating the characters as tropes. This is such a huge thing in danmei fandom because the novels are long asf and few have TV adaptions and even those that do have one has the og's storyline botched because of censorship, so people will read some of it or just read fanfic or even admit to skimming it and then think they have a leg to stand on when it comes to analysis of certain characters. If you ever figure out how to stop getting mad let me know lmao but it's such a huge issue, because again if I wanted fluffy non confrontational stuff I'd read actual BL manga which has wayyy better art and is more likely to be self-indulgent and not self-conscious or ironic like a lot of western works are when it comes to guilty pleasures.
No.13244
>>13235>AND they just get lost in their own sauce that's when I get mad specially even more if the ship is a particular's character most popular ship.>By 'getting lost in their own sauce' meaning constant mischaracterizations, adopting 'popular' headcanons that have nothing to do with the character(s) in question, slowly forgetting their source material or actions to begin with that they start to morph into OCs, if a character is evil or unpleasant they just get woobiefied into a crying blorb, etc.1000% my experience too. In my case my notp is the canon ship (i know) but the way is shipped doesn't even make me angry specifically because it's shipped in such an ooc way lol
A good contrast is Asushin. I’m personally neutral on it, I like Kawoshin obviously but I have never seen ooc Asushin fanart.
Their dynamic stays intact. Shinji doesn’t get turned into some generic lads charming perfect boyfriend guy and Asuka isn’t reduced to a moe soft-girl, always innocent shoujo heroine. They still feel like themselves, which is rare for fanart nowdays.
No.13256
appledash is like germancest to me. they’re kinda similar. in a way
No.13259
I hate AI for a lot of reasons, but seeing all these tutorials on how easy it is to turn yourself into a celebrity or a certain character these days does make me wish I could partner up with another fujo and make deepfake yaoi kissing videos
No.13265
>>13263
Why even go on websites like this and post shit like this. Go literally anywhere else.
No.13273
>>13272Why are male assholes like slits and coin slots with prostates on the inside then?
No.13286
>>13281what is this kekkk if the password is anything other than “yes” i just give up. you gotta really want it for these types lol
No.13290
>>13272i mean eating junk food and doing drugs is pleasurable too yet it leads it a shitty life so that's not really a good response.
No.13291
>>13290I thought it was funny. It's not that deep.
No.13294
Do you guys have any ships you randomly get back into sometimes? For me I often have short (2-3 day) phases where I return to Komahina, Waver/Iskandar, Kyman, and Makoharu lol.
No.13295
>>13294I do love to revisit my old hyperfixations. I mostly scroll through art, though, I rarely come back to reading fic for them unless it's been years since I've interacted with the source material.
No.13297
>>13294For sure. I shipped sebaciel when I was 13, completely forgot about it and got back into it again in my 20s. Same for a lot of naruto pairings.
No.13300
>>13294Yes, I've described my interests as cycles I shuffle through periodically. Clamp works, Pandora Hearts, One Piece, Watchmen, Lupin III, Batman, and Yugioh are some of the big ones. Helps that most of them consistently have new iterations so I have a reason to reignite my interest.
No.13304
>>13303My wallet is too small to get into it so that's a pretty big barrier to entry. World seems cool as an outsider though.
No.13305
>>13303Most of the fujos I see for 40k are Korean, surprisingly enough. I tried to get into it myself, but the Games Workshop locations near me were populated by a bunch of open misogynists. It put a damper on the whole thing for me, and I imagine that is a big barrier for a lot of others too if they actually wanted to try the tabletop. The books and video games seem pretty fun though.
No.13307
>>13286I was willing to google the exact ages of the Rosfield bros before to see the brocon art but that's about it.
>>13294Galolio I guess? In the long run I find it hard to stay invested cause we only ever got one movie but once in a while I'll still see some artist activity and I'll get into it again.
No.13328
>>13326I need an airing date asap, it's gonna be lovely to see TsubaYuu in color, moving and with voices ♡♡
the discourse will be fun too No.13329
>>13328I don’t actually really care about it much personally since I’m not really into shota top, but I’m happy for ANY BL getting animated since it’s so rare.
Now please animate one room angel I’m begging on my hands and knees.
No.13331
>>13330I already bought and read the manga, let's fucking gooooo
No.13334
>>13330>muh representing irl queer strugglesWho cares. Why can't these people just stick to Westoid media?
No.13335
>>13330I forgot to save it but this reminds me I saw an interesting post on twitter in response to this discourse where someone showed off a collection of vintage shota BL and explained how shota has always been a fundamental part of BL. I already figured as much myself due to the connection with Kazeki and Death in Venice.
No.13336
>>13335Please share if you can find it, sounds interesting. I know antis would call fujos pedos though.
No.13339
>>13336Nta, but I know that these sorts of responses popped up after a spanish person (who replied to a now deleted 15k+ likes tweet that said "this is pedophilia" to the shotaoni announcement) saying that historically, yaoi didn't have shota. A Japanese response correcting this blew up
https://x.com/no_watch_no/status/2033364040874139703 which is where a bunch of people corrected the Spanish user.
Closest thing I could find to "someone showed off a collection of vintage shota BL and explained how shota has always been a fundamental part of BL" is this
https://x.com/htGOIW/status/2033560175358214495 but it's not showing off a collection of shota BL per se, but it does teach us that shounen-ai had its roots in cinema.
No.13340
>>13339Meanwhile in Japan, you can walk past secondhand doujin shops and see explicit shota books right there being displayed in the windows.
No.13341
>>13340I also saw explicit shota in Japanese doujin shops. Absolutely nobody cares. They really do just treat it as a subinterest or character type without any moralfagging. I wish western fandom was like this as someone who doesn't consider herself to be a shotacon.
No.13342
>>13340This is more about vintage BL showcasing shota, but you're right that it's not a big deal in Japan. I'm actually surprised at how badly Hispanics took it compared to even English speakers.
No.13343
>>13342>I'm actually surprised at how badly Hispanics took it compared to even English speakersI'm Latina and sadly, the Hispanic fandoms and such are always late to discourse compared to the US. So anti/pro discourse is super volatile right now. It fucking sucks.
No.13345
>>13343I'm sorry that it's happening there, anon. Do they use the same arguments as the English fandoms used at large a few years back? I'm also shocked that they didn't quiet down since the escalation of censorship and errosion of privacy on the internet made quite the dent in anti/pro discourse in the anglosphere.
No.13346
>Always have the sneaking suspicion that all the people liking the most rancid ooc dom daddy fics of my fav character in my NOTP are self-inserters
>Person I personally hate makes a fic, never publicly showed their ao3 account before
>Look at their history before getting into NOTP
>Character/Reader horny nonsense and hetslop
>Look at the kudosers of the fics
>Also bookmark character/reader or trans/femc fics
I'm glad to be vindicated but also pisses me off that I am being vindicated because it shouldn't be so common that self-inserters are getting into BL.
No.13352
>>13347Ultimately, the issue is that westoid media, or rather queer media, is almost always written horribly or too ass-patty for anyone's tastes, which includes the gendie tendies and their ilk. They tout and praise these works but either never read it or secretly loathe it because the writers are fucking shit and navel-gazey. Queer books are shit and will always be shit as long as the mentally ill spicy straights get into the industry.
Eastern media is popular because, even if some isn't well-written, it's still entertaining and has a lot people can relate to of all sorts of backgrounds. The staggots will never admit it, but it's true and that's why they keep invading that media and crybully creators and fans over their shitty tranny headcanons.
No.13354
>>13352there are still plenty of non-tranny women in the western MM publishing sphere thank god. once you step out of YA into actual adult books it’s not that bad
>>13351she’s probably taking about those that got into during covid which are their own brand of annoying
No.13356
>>13353Kinda OT but I can’t be the only one who thought Shinji came off like a jealous ex for a lot of fate stay night’s VN right?
No.13357
>>13356Not off-topic if it's the random thread is it? :p
Yeah their relationship is interesting. Clearly Shirou must like him in some capacity, they are established as being friends and there a multiple times when Shirou defends him despite the fact that he's obviously a bad guy. Plus there's a scorned lovers angle with Shirou rejecting his offer to partner up. Been in a bit of a Fate mood recently and have been reading some of the adaptations I've never touched before. One of those was the F/SN 2006 manga and the scene where they confront him on the roof of the school during the main Fate route has some added angst with some real shonen protag energy "You're not a bad guy" speech.
No.13358
>>13336 I actually found it again thanks to
>>13339 because it was a quote retweet of the spanish user.
https://x.com/bitterdykey/status/2033331205647515791?s=20 No.13360
>>13358I wish I had her collection
No.13361
I like seeing content with vulnerable and abused men, and I'll admit that it's very hard for me to feel like the man is victimized enough with a female rapist. Fiction and fantasy are seperate from reality, but it's hard for me personally to forget the fact that heterosexual sex is much much more vulnerable for the woman and rewarding for the man. And the fact that men are much stronger than women. You would have to present some very contrived circumstances for an adult woman to rape and physically abuse an adult, non-disabled man. I guess that BL appeals to partially because I can forget about the physically differences between men and women. It's equal in BL and GL.
No.13362
>>13359I think the first representation (twinks) is based on European movies, including actual gay/homoerotic films (particularly older Brit or French ones) and the second one is because of the presence of US military men in Japan
especially for black american men in their rare appearances in japanese media. Spoilering because I don't want to restart the race discussion kek No.13366
What is a shota or loli at this point? I think of lolisho as characters that are obviously prepubescent or pubescent like the obvious examples of Ciel, Reg, or Hanako. But are 14yo anime boys in an ambiguous art style really as much of a shota as Reg for example? I guess I would consider Len and KH1 Sora to be shotas when drawn a certain way. But I would strongly argue against the Madoka Magica girls or Kawoshin being lolisho (all are canonically 14). Bringing this up because both Kawoshin and Madoka Magica got redtexted on LC for being lolisho.
No.13368
>>13364Have you watched If…. and is it good? Because I was thinking of watching it just to experience it ##and maybe use it fanfic fodder about boarding schools## and I'd like to know nonas' view of it. Other Brit movies about gay men that I feel like could have feasibly influenced older BL include: Maurice (1987), My Beautiful Laundrette (1985), Another Country (1984)
I haven't watched any of them but plan to watch the last two, though I usually don't care for live action gay (male) films but there's a very distinct atmosphere in these '80s movies that lure me in kek Also, while looking for those specific movies (because I forgot their names lol), I also found this 1986 Italian movie: The Flavor of Corn which I would never watch but might still have influenced early Japanese BL writers because
it's about a 12 year old boy in a relationship with his teacher… No.13369
>>13368Nona there is a whole rabbithole about movies and the behind the scenes and it's so incredibly blackpilling to say the least, but yeah Japan has fascination with european kids in general, inspired lolita etc, even without taking bl in account.
No.13370
>>13369>>13368same anon, the movie pretty baby with Brooke Shields was also very popular in Japan and Brooke was known after that as Lolita actress.
No.13371
>>13361>You would have to present some very contrived circumstances for an adult woman to rape and physically abuse an adult, non-disabled manSomething similar to a Misery situation I guess?
No.13372
>>13361I like how you have this complicated explanation and I just find two men hot and hate looking at women.
Non-con into Stockholm syndrome is a particular favorite of mine.
>>13371Workplace imbalance is probably the most realistic/common scenario, or other forms of coercion which involve non-violent rape.
No.13373
>>13368Anything involving real children really goes too far as far as I am concerned. It is the only thing I might actually agree with the opponents of romantic relationships on.
No.13374
>>13368I like to watch movies like the examples you listed to understand cultural and historical influence on the genre. But if they involve real kids, then it disturbs me. Like hearing about the poor Death in Venice actor…
>>13371I'll have to check out Misery.
>>13372It's a complicated thought because I saw some yume art (to each their own) of an attractive powerful female self-insert about to rape a canonically misogynistic husbando. It wasn't my cup of tea, so I rambled about it.
My uncomplicated underlying thought is that I love men getting fucked. A man hating rape but feeling unwanted pleasure from it is one of my favorite things ever.
No.13376
>>13368>Have you watched If…. and is it good?Yes and it is a good film. The gay romance is the B-plot but what exists is literally what 90% of Kaze to Ki no Uta is based on and where every story beat comes from, down to the designs of the older classmates and Gilbert's hairstyle, everything is taken directly from If… , but the film does feature real teenage actors and although nothing explicit is shown, it is very uncomfortable.
No.13377
>>13376That's good to know. I would probably be okay watching it since the romance is b-plot and at least they're both teenagers. I read some youtube comments under the trailer and it apparently is/was indicative of boarding school culture in that era, so that's plus for me since I like when movies capture a snapshot of a time and place.
No.13379
>>13377>is/was indicative of boarding school culture in that eraIt was an open secret, older boys abused/raped the younger boys and forced them into sexual acts. Those abused boys a few years later would do the same to the new classmates. I think the writers were less familiar with the context, because everyone was raping Gilbert cause he was so beautiful(even though they were all drawn the exact same way), whereas in reality it would have been a larger system.
No.13380
>>13374Just for clarification: Misery doesn't have a sexual element to it. It just came to mind because it's about a man who crashed his car and gets rescued by a woman who then keeps him hostage and abuses him.
No.13386
>>13379The funny thing is that despite the European/American setting, these stories are so incredibly Japanese, from the mentality to sex and culture. like in a cruel god reigns, a group of boys calls another boy a loser because he isn't a member of some after school club. It breaks your immersion and makes you start seeing every character as a Japanese woman.
also the obsession with white children that the Japanese had back then is really creepy and I don't understand how anyone could find those bizarre doll-people beautiful.
No.13387
>>13386My apparently unpopular opinion is that I love very old shoujo art because it looks beautiful and creepy.
I'm a dollfag as well, so I enjoy those aestheticsThe obsession with real kids is creepy and unacceptable though
No.13389
>>13386To be perfectly fair, a lot of old manga takes a lot of inspiration from Disney, so there's another less creepy reason for that art style.
>>13379I actually did know that
because of an old HP fanfic from LJ that you can find on AO3 now, but it was mostly just discussed than portrayed. It really shows you how groups of boys act when they're so segregated from girls. Girls' schools also have a lot of experimentation but I think it's more on a consensual level (at least according to a former classmate I knew who went to one).
No.13392
>>13391I know they aren't meant to look scary, but I love how they look creepy and beautiful and off-putting regardless. Like dolls. Love the Disney influence too.
>beauty ideals in east asia were a bit more inclusivefully agree. I like different body types, skin tones, and faces. I like seeing how talented artists would draw different characters in the same art style.
No.13397
I'm so so so fucking tired of pooners and their god awful fan"art" of male characters with tit scars
No.13401
>>13397me too nona… they piss me off so bad, seeing their drawings genuinely makes me sick.
No.13418
>>13416>genuinely depraved freaks who get turned on by traced child porn and dogs cumming on mutilated bodies.The reason I left my old fandom kek, I picked la "problematic" ship because I wanted to connect with people who weren't tiktok retards, but the people I've encountered turned out to be the very same tiktok retards, just tweeting shit like "I LOVE SHOTA RAPE" and making ftm shota piss fetish art in ms paint instead of "SHOTA LOVERS ARE PDFS" and making ftm shota piss fetish art (non-sexual, wholesome). It's like nobody even cares about the themes and the characters and the making of quality yaoi anymore, only about the fetishes and the basic tropes and the shitty headcanons
No.13419
>>13416I feel the same way. I lean heavily proshipper, but anything that references real kids or real abuse or thirsting after Dylan Roof or something is disgusting and makes me sick. I just want to be creative and have fun. I also want to focus on character dynamics or source material too instead of being as edgy as possible.
>>13418>just tweeting shit like "I LOVE SHOTA RAPE">"SHOTA LOVERS ARE PDFS"Everything is about getting a reaction or virtue signalling or external validation instead of enjoying a hobby.
No.13420
>>13416>>13418The black butler fandom in a nutshell.
No.13421
>>13416Ugh, yeah. I carefully avoid the pro/anti debate, and yet sometimes i get glimpses of the extremes at each pole, it's jarring. I recently found a fic on ao3 listing ways to realistically depict "taboo" themes, some of their advice was about finding zoosadist porn online. It's why i can't completely dismiss anti kids despite being an edgelord, a lot of these sex pests hide behind fandom to do this sort of thing.
>>13419>Everything is about getting a reaction or virtue signalling or external validation instead of enjoying a hobby.Exactly.
No.13422
>>13420why are there black butler antis, could they have picked a worse fandom
No.13426
>>13424I'm still so confused as to what made doctor who so popular back then, there was no yaoi there, no fujos, no yumes as far as I know, the show was badly written, what the hell was going on?
No.13429
>>13426All the fans from the 60s made their kids watch it, and the first couple seasons of the reboot were actually decent fun. That had enough goodwill to carry on the fandom as it got terrible.
>>13427Honestly, 'plural friendly' is negative advertisement to me at this point. Thank you for letting me know that you have unhinged lunatics who will leap at the chance to crybully at me. I appreciate the warning.
No.13430
>>13416I joined multiple social medias back when I started getting into "profic" mindset. I was an anti tweents to twenty something and missed over a decade of fandom because of this.
But it's nothing but an extreme on both ends.
One half is constantly morality fagging and the other has turbo edgy "ero loli guro" with no middle ground. Any proship community is full of children who will ship rape/incest with added pronoun bullshit to spite antis. Any non-proship community is full of adults who claim to be "normal" but lose their minds over father figure headcanons. It's always father figures.
I saw a post one time saying being an anti is the social default and after witnessing Capcom apologize for cousin incest in their fighting game, I see now that the terminally online by majority, are antis. I am not interested in fighting anyone about how I view fiction. I just want to read fanfiction or look at fan art of a pairing that have good mojo regardless of where they came from. If they're related, who cares. If it's wholesome and appropriate age, so what. I just want the thing without the artist trying to win social points online like they're fucking Chinese. The whole anti gooner/coomer/phobia of sex-think has ruined tiktok for me more than the USA government.
Popular/safe pairing: MIS PAPIS
Unpopular/'comhet??? pairing': Bro you need to be locked up.
No.13431
>>13416>genuinely depraved freaks who get turned on by traced child porn and dogs cumming on mutilated bodiesWhat the fuck lmao, I've never encountered this shit.
No.13433
>>13426>there was no yaoi there, no fujosYou forgot about Jack Harkness' fangirls
did I even get his name right, it's been ages and his spinoff tv show.
No.13434
>>13430like I don't want to sound like a moralfag, but I've seen people getting off to art of someone masturbating over a cut-open stomach, that's really another level of sickness and that's still tame cause it doesn't feature realistically drawn children or animals.
>>13431Your lucky, because if you ever see whose account contains these emojis ??, you will witness things that could genuinely make you puke.
No.13436
>>13421>some of their advice was about finding zoosadist porn onlineWhat the fuck, what fandom? I sure hope that at least the fic got taken down or people at least told the OP to fuck off and go to jail.
Speaking of anti kids though, I feel like a lot of the extreme edgelords such as what
>>13418 also described are kids on the opposite side of the fandom garbage coin. Either you get a puriteen or a teen on their edgy phase wanting to show the world how EDGY and COOL they are by looking at gore, liking "problematic" things, and worse if they go out looking at zoo porn or CP to prove how "desentizised" they are.
But in the OTHER case of this, you have like 30 something ADULTS who literally make porn their whole personality, retweeting any kink any fetish under the sun, "radinclus" and whatnot, making posts like talking about wanting to lick shota penis and then 2h later make a post complaining about trump and they almost always go seek anti posts deliberately too. Just like the worst cluster of terminally online person.
No.13437
>>13429>All the fans from the 60s made their kids watch itKek, that makes sense
>>13433I remember that show! But it didn't have a large fandom on itself, nor was that guy that popular of a character, people were mostly obsessed with 10th and 11th doctors' storylines, which seems a little bizarre looking back
No.13438
>>13431Nta buy you're lucky, I have yet to encounter a "proship" fandom which users don't take pride in making the most deplorable fetish art/fic imaginable
>>13436>making posts like talking about wanting to lick shota penis and then 2h later make a post complaining about trumpThis made me giggle
No.13440
>>13431NTA. I checked Aethy way back when Mastadon was blowing up and it was the anti purity culture instance, there was so much fucked up guro I had to leave because it was getting worse and worse. All 2D in my experience, but still extremes of upsetting content that ranged from filth to necro/death. Some of it a little too specifically close to traced.
No.13441
This conversation reminds me of early 2000s internet gore sites. I never looked at those but it came up on a podcast I'm a fan of and the hosts who are in their early 40s all did.
No.13442
I don't interact with the undertale fandom so I just found out by chance that apparently there's been discourse about the game only being available in english and japanese. I find this type of translation discourse interesting because I live in a country that's small and has an internationally irrelevant language so for me it was only natural that I'd learn english in order to consume more media. On some level it's probably petty for me to say this but I can't help but feel like a lot of these spanish speakers are being entitled when they try to bully an indie dev instead of just learning english. We live in an age where language apps and textbook pdfs are widely available, along with online communities where people could practice with each other. I saw a reply that went along the lines of "You had 9 years to work on a good translation" as if that person didn't have 9 years to learn english.
No.13443
>>13442I can sympathize with them as an English-speaker who has taken about 10 cumulative years of Spanish classes and has never been able to pick up the language even at a basic conversational level. A great-aunt I had lived in Japan for several years and taught English as a second language there but couldn't speak a lick of Japanese herself. None of my relatives have learned a second language despite most of us trying and I've just decided we must just have something that runs in our family that prevents us from picking them up.
Americans amirite? Wild Undertale doesn't have official translations given how big and successful it is. I can see a Spanish fanpatch exists so at least fans can play it that way. I also think one of the few good things that has come out of the AI boom is MTL improving tremendously which makes niche works (fanmade or otherwise) more accessible for everyone.
No.13444
>>13442I don't really have any skin in the game since I speak English but I think the Spanish-speaking fanbase is annoyed because there are wayyy more of them than Japanese speaking fans but because Toby Fox is a huge weeb (even going as far to changing the way he speaks English online to be the way Japanese creators do kek) he's prioritized the JP fandom more. This whole thing started because he retweeted the JP localization of another game, and recommended this version of it in English to his followers. Someone on lc said it's because he'd like to have a great amount of control over the localization and he speaks JP well but SP not so much so he would be left in the dark. I do get not every language can be included even in best-selling games but cmon Toby is American where Spanish is the second biggest language, it's wild to me he's never floated the possibility.
No.13447
>>13442I don't speak Spanish, but I do understand the frustration. It would be one thing if there weren't any official translations, but the fact that he took the effort to make a Japanese version first (which would have been much more difficult and time consuming) and not do a Spanish one kinda shows he's being a bit a dick.
No.13448
>>13442>>13442I don't speak Spanish, but I do understand the frustration. It would be one thing if there weren't any official translations, but the fact that he took the effort to make a Japanese version first (which would have been much more difficult and time consuming) and his reasoning is beyond pathetic.
No.13449
>>13448A lot of Spanish speaking people speak English, but if you want your game to do well in Japan you need localization + physical media. Earthbound inspired his game and he's a weeb, so he cared more about getting it out in Japan. I would do the same if I made a JRPG.
No.13450
>>13449>Earthbound inspired his game and he's a weeb, so he cared more about getting it out in Japan. I would do the same if I made a JRPG.Same. A lot of the people working themselves up about this don't really understand weeaboo brain. It doesn't help that English is still the lingua franca of the internet so the list of valid excuses somebody in this situation has for not picking it up is pretty short. They could have even learned Japanese in the 9 years between launch and now if they didn't want to interact with EN fandom (valid!).
No.13451
>>13442>but feel like a lot of these spanish speakers are being entitled when they try to bully an indie dev instead of just learning english. They definitely are and I don't feel bad about them one bit. I've had friends that I've known from 2006 and to this very fucking day, they don't even know basic english, nor want to.
English is being taught in schools nowadays (it was barely a thing in my time) so you will absolutely have to know some english. If you have an interest in videogames and don't bother playing a game in english then what the fuck are you doing?
I say this as a spic btw. I've felt this Español only entitlement all my life. Met a bunch of irl people in my HS days too who refused to play videogames unless they were into spanish, so I feel no sympathy over complainers.
No.13455
Has anyone noticed the trend of people trying to use rarepairs as an excuse to put down the more popular ships of a character in fandoms? Like if there's a character A that's constantly paired up with character B, but you have people insisting that actually AxC is way better as a ship despite the characters having maybe two interactions in canon. I have to wonder if it's just yumes in disguise that feel threatened by the AxB ship because it could be "real", while they know the rarepair is made up and could never happen in canon. No offense to genuine rarepair shippers though, but this specific behaviour in particular just feels so performative.
No.13456
>>13433>his spinoff tv showDid you see the news that they took down the Ianto shrine recently? End of an era. Kind of sad I only saw it once and never looked at it up close.
>>13442What gets me is it spawned from Latam courier costs being absurd and the symphony orchestra tour not organizing any concerts there. The people complaining are already Undertale fans who did play it in English.
>>13448>and his reasoning is beyond pathetic.Most weebs hate localizations so I understand what he means about letting random professionals who don't share his sense of humor rewrite the jokes. If he doesn't know for sure what the connotations of the words in a language he can't read are, he can't know if the joke still works or has deviated from its original meaning.
No.13457
>>13455I see it sometimes and it comes off as kinda NLOG-y but I won't contest whatever brainworm they got. I was this way (but not publicly) about a ship from FE3H. There but for the grace of god, etc.
No.13459
>>13458Felix/Ashe lol. I feel a little blessed that I left the fandom early when I realized it wasn't gonna take off. Felix's fandom bicycle status did not help.
No.13461
>>13455It's the same contrarian shit you get with the switchfags who swear riba is the best and being a hard no-switchfag is stupid and you're a dumb, problematic fujo who fetishes the gays un like them.
This is not to say that all ribafags are like this, just that there is a tendency for the loud ones to say and behave like that.
It's literally just being an NLOF
No.13462
>>13461I hate annoying switchfags and hard no-switchfags both. Both are fucking annoying.
No.13463
>>13459Still better than
Dimitri/Felix if you ask me.
No.13464
>>13459Awww that's a cute pairing! Ashe is such a cutie
Why aren't there more canon gay options in FE3H?? they really dropped the ball
No.13468
I wish I could make fujo friends online but I never managed to really befriend anyone on the internet. And after all the crazy fandom bullshit I've witnessed since like 2013 or 2014 on tumblr and twitter, usually related to transphobia or fatphobia accusations, it's hard to put myself out there. I strictly refuse to use discord. And on twitter I retweet so much art from so many different series and games that I don't see fans dedicated to something specific ever following me. My friends and I are very into BL but I feel like as time passed we don't really have the same interests anymore. We're not obsessed with the same manga, anime, games at all anymore, and even when it comes to BL they don't like the same stuff I like these days and read a shit ton of manhwa which I never read for no particular reasons other than not know where to start and having too many books to read already. There are also other personal and way worse reasons why I barely stay in touch with them anymore but I won't elaborate, it's not like I'm dumping my friends just because they don't want to play the same 120h long jprgs I like or something. Long story short they're massive moralfags at times and some of them followed my previous twitter account, which I deleted to avoid having to confront them over me not being a TRA.
No.13469
>>13465what does Gold Ship look like?
No.13470
>>13468I used to be like you but I have friends now. Sometimes you just have to stop being too imageboard brained and be more subtle about not liking things. Even the friends I have, although I don't say I HATE TRANNIES BURN THEM ALL, they do get annoyed at fake performative nonsense and also have a general dislike of modern fandom without having to be so aggresive about it. But also, fortunately none of them are TIFs so maybe I'm lucky (and TIFs I've met I just don't mesh very well, their mentall illness outweighs mine)
>I strictly refuse to use discordI also was like that, literally still using IRC all the way to 2017 until everyone had just moved on to discord. But in your case, why though? If you're a fandom oldie, how different is it from MSN or IRC groups? You don't HAVE to join open servers, you can very much be in a small secluded server of like 5 people and use it like any other messaging method.
>And on twitter I retweet so much art from so many different series and games that I don't see fans dedicated to something specific ever following meDo you talk about anything in specific, or do you talk at all? Or are you mostly an account that does nothing but retweets? Most people won't follow other people even in same-fandoms if all they do is retweet. You gotta talk at least just a bit to find someone who may care about what you say, even if no one like that exists.
If you don't like your current friends and want to meet other people, simply ditch your "old" identity and make yourself entirely brand new. Depending on what you're into, see what's there to be said or what YOU have to say, even if it's a dead fandom or not.
I spent several years in that spiral of being friendless, hating everything in fandom, finding most things in fandom cringe, and some things I still do but I haven't had to compromise too much of myself to find likeminded friends.
No.13471
>>13470Trite as it is to say.
this.
No.13472
>>13468It's been a while since it's really be used but potentially you can try the friend finder thread in /ot/
No.13475
I'm a fixed shipper but whenever I see debates about it I always want to kill my co-shippers, especially when both sides are making the EXACT SAME argument. Like none of the characters involved are uwu crybaby ukes or sigma male semes, you are all schizophrenic.
One of my friends is like this and I have the misfortune of seeing her complain about how A being portrayed as a damsel in distress is wrong and B/A shippers are retarded when she does the same thing to B which is equally as OOC. It's even worse when people try to make seme/uke positions a science, e.g. "erm A went through sexual trauma so it's wrong if he bla bla bla, also he doesn't yabba dabba doo" when it's just about who you wanna see get fucked in the ass or fuck some guy in the ass.
No.13478
>>13475>I have the misfortune of seeing her complain about how A being portrayed as a damsel in distress is wrong and B/A shippers are retarded when she does the same thing to B which is equally as OOC. Every seme-uke argument in a nutshell kek.
No.13479
>>13470Adding on to this, what's been helping in my case is to join the discords of english-speaking artists whose art I enjoy. I'm not doing this for games I enjoy because they're bound to be large and chaotic and even for artist discords you're still flipping a coin on whether you will vibe with the community or not but when you're lucky they end up being small and cozy communities. Streamer/youtuber discords could be an option too depending on your interests.
No.13480
>>13470nta but I also think it depends on what type of friendship you want to cultivate.
If you just want casual friends that will small talk or just converse about the characters/ships you like then it's fine, but for someone that wants to talk about everything in general that they feel like is wrong or vent, it may be better to approach based on vibe, instead of just interests.I got lucky enough to find a friend that I shared my favorite otp with and also have a lot of similiar opinions, so we shit on everything we dislike together.
No.13481
>>13474I do too, but I find it draining to be with someone who is only negative. Got to have a mix.
No.13483
>>13470>Sometimes you just have to stop being too imageboard brained and be more subtle about not liking things.That's what I've been doing for a while now. You say your friends are fairly welll adjusted and don't like performative nonsense but I've only ever attracted people who were the most performative SJW on earth until recently, both online and irl. I'm not going to explain why that's the case irl so to keep this short it's people just judging me on how I look and assuming I'm a hardcore SJW, and online it's mostly because of the fandoms I joined and how batshit crazy all my online friends became on tumblr in 2014/2015
the straw that broke the camel's back for them was when Leelah Alcorn killed himself. My currently irl friends aren't any better. We met in uni, had a lot of things in common including hobbies but besides more personal things happening at some point, half of them became more distant simply because they're just as busy as I am with irl stuff like work, family, etc. and the other half turned into parodies of useless SJW neets that bring up JKR being transphobic literally out of nowhere while defending Nicki Minaj marrying a convincted rapist. I have twitter mutuals I get along with but they almost all disappeared from the internet all of a sudden.
>how different is it from MSN or IRC groups?I'm ESL so I don't know if that's different depending on where you live but the only people back then who used IRC groups were deranged lolicons
and recently by chance I saw one woman my age in one of these groups and forums saying on of the guys groomed her at the time which doesn't surprise me at all and I only ever used MSN for irl friends/classmates and cousins who live abroad. I avoid anything instant because it stresses me out besides whatsapp to keep up with relatives in other countries. I used discord with a few irl friends and online groups and I either had a hard time keeping up or the groups were dead. You know what, now that I'm typing this I also realized not too long ago that I was the only one making the group chat on messenger alive after me and my irl friends all graduated. As soon as I stopped posting they also stopped.
>Do you talk about anything in specific, or do you talk at all?I do talk about irl stuff and like to post about my progress in video games on top of what I read or watched and BL. But I don't put pics or gifs on my posts and I'm sure it doesn't help, given how the algorithm doesn't like plain texts. I stopped posting pictures of my trips because of the whole AI/grok shit too. The most likes I've ever had were when I posted about DMMD and Slow Damage while reading them and that's it. I think the issue is that I'm into a lot of different things at the same time. I don't just talk about one or two video game franchises, or only about BL.
No.13484
>>13480Double posting, I typed too much. I just want casual friends. I don't feel lonely, but I wish I had more people I could talk to about my hobbies. Based on what I'm into, fandoms are either massive and chaotic, or they're very small of they even exist. I'm currently playing a video game that doesn't have any posts about it online besides
>it's underrated>it's a beautiful game>here's my coomer fanart of the female characters, no I never played the game, please pay me I can do commissionsAnd that's it. Even with my irl friends when we're casually talking about shows, books or video games there always one of them who likes the same stuff I like but autistically refuses to beat the games but she still wants to avoid spoilers so she wants me to never talk too much about what we both enjoy.
No.13500
>>13499Cuuuuuute, I love the heart one best!
No.13501
>>13499Nona, can you share where you got the one in the heart, and the chibis in the top left? They're adorable!
No.13502
>>13499You reminded me I should probably give this game a try. I need to check if there's a demo.
No.13504
>>13502It's worth checking out for sure, but to get to the good Eitaku you need to at least get 40ish hours into the game, fair warning.
Please play it blind, and be patient with it. The game has some slow bits but it's worth it.
No.13505
>>13501The heart one I got from this set
https://eitkbday.bigcartel.com/product/EITK-birthday-bundleThe chibis I got from pixiv as a bonus with the cat and bunny acrylic stands shown here, I have one of Shion too but I don’t like him much lol.
No.13507
>>13505>>13506I like seeing the white one rape the red one, cute sets
No.13511
I've seen some people say that putting "minors dni" in your bio is a redflag and I still don't understand why
No.13512
>>13511How dare you not groom minors?!!!! Thats ageist!!! Or something.
No.13513
>>13470Yeah this. I save my most vicious takes for anonymous imageboard discussions and try to stay more civil and understanding in actual groups of people, it gets very awkward very fast if someone is letting their edgelord flag fly without reading the room, even if you agree with their opinion.
>>13511It's apparently because the only reason you don't want kids up your ass or following your adult themed work is because you're a pedo kek
No.13514
>>13511I just associate it with younger people so for me it's a redflag that the person is probably an annoying 20something.
No.13515
>>13511>>13512Part of me is convinced there's a secret movement of actual predators who couldn't be filthy rich larping as kids to degrade the wall between minor and adult spaces.
Everything is an -ism or rude to some stranger online. No adult spaces can remain adult. every community must be shared with unsupervised kids. Outside of sites that require a legal ID to use, there's kind of no fully adult space online anymore. Kiwifarms and lolcow are too extreme and users are antagonistic and edgy for no reason, often making them worse than immature kids. Porn sites used to have anime on them, but I doubt anyone wants to talk about the latest Jojo on Youporn.
I really would just like a twitter/instagram/tiktok that's required to be 18+ but isn't a porn site or /b/ lite. Give users a way to not see gore, racism, or general edgelord shit, and also not be censored to hell. Ironically I'm talking about this imageboard in many aspects.
No.13518
>>13507SAME, waiting for it to hit like $25.
>>13515>Ironically I'm talking about this imageboard in many aspects.Fujochan is as close to my ideal website as I think I'm ever going to get.
No.13519
>>13508I love how I haven't even played the game, but I have this cg burned into my retinas from all of the EitoTakumi sisters online
No.13520
>>13519I almost paid the ridiculous price for the game just after seeing this cg kek
No.13522
>>13504nta but 40 hours in????
damn that's grim
No.13523
>>13522It's roughly a 150 hour game so in the grand scheme of things you'll have plenty of Eito/Takumi content. You just need to get through the insanely long opening stretch.
I knew they were the fan favorite ship when I started and I kept waiting to see why, when it fell into place I was so hyped and thankful I hadn't been spoiled.
No.13525
>>13502>>13508Joining the pile of users to whom this game has been advertised through the BL ship. I've been holding off because I have too many unplayed games in my library already but I'll probably fold if it goes on sale.
No.13527
>>13522It’s because the prologue of the game is roughly 30 hours kek
After that it more just depends on what route you get
>>13525I finished the prologue in two days so I’d wait till it’s on sale and you have some time off from work to play it.
No.13530
>>13529>tamaki and haruhi in one of the heartstourists
No.13531
>>13529Do gay people really think fujoshi are into them? I've seen some people talk about sexual tension but that's more in line with general relationship speculation and reality tv editing. Like stars getting slandered in tabloids.
No.13532
>>13528Only half of them are that way. There's a
amazing uptick of beefy bottoms that balance out semes like this,
but I prefer pretty tops and beefy bottoms No.13533
>>13532I just need to be attracted to the bottom. The top just needs a big dick (and should be attractive too). Beyond that, I am very open. Twink x twink is good, beefy (not roidpig) x beefy is good too. We need big dick in hole though.
No.13534
>>13529Why did he put the weirdest crackships in the bubbles instead of famous BL couples… who ships Tarzan x Milo??? And those two guys from KPDH???
>>13531If we're talking about fujoshi who don't deny that they're female then idk worst I've heard is them being weird to gay guys to their faces but not in a get in your pants kinda way but in a I can't discern between reality and my fictional gay ships. I think a lot of them realize fujos only like fictional gays because they often give yaoi a try and call it unrealistic. Trans fujos though are muddying the waters because they *do* want to be with gay guys and gays have become more aware of them.
No.13535
>>13529Heated rivalry again. It really was a mistake.
>>13534>Trans fujos though are muddying the waters because they *do* want to be with gay guys and gays have become more aware of them.You're reminding me of that one screencapped reddit post that was posted on Kiwifarms so many times about an aiden who wanted to join a gay sex party but none of the guys there wanted her so she locked herself in the bathroom to cry. A classic.
No.13536
>>13534>who ships Tarzan x Milo??? Interesting crossover ship tbh. I could get behind it, just swap out Jane for Milo.
No.13537
>>13535I'm curious as to how HR has led to all of this when I feel like we've had gay live-action shows for a while? Heartstopper, Young Royals, Dead Boy Detectives, Good Omens (when it got canonized), etc. Is it because hockey subculture is so homophobic that the outrage also inspired intense fascination? But yes I've seen that kek I don't know why they try. I don't get TIFs cognitive dissonance of them liking males for their dicks, and liking males who like other dicks and hoping to find a place in that world. Just settle for a bisexual.
>>13536I mean yeah Milo's a pretty shippable character. I just know though that he isn't sincere about liking it and he just did a random google search. If he did Tony the Tiger x The Grinch I'd respect him a little.
No.13538
>>13536Trazan x Sora
Sora x Milo because apparently there was a cancelled Atlantis part of KH3D we were robbed of
No.13539
>>13538I could get behind that too, lol.
Honestly I like Sora x Every Disney character, kind of wish there was more KH fan content that actually focused on the Disney aspect of the series. Though Sora and Axel are peak.
No.13540
>>13539I love Axel x Sora through their various reincarnations throughout games too lmao
No.13541
>>13536The lesbian side couple would be Jane x Kida in this universe. I can see and respect the vision of a Tarzan x Atlantis crossover
though I know some fujos don't like when there's a background lesbian couple but I do lol No.13542
>>13541Honestly this sounds excellent and I'm sad that this isn't a real ship. Also: fujo warriors immediately ignoring the 3dp for the yaoi ship.
No.13543
>>13534This might well lead to me being accused of having bad taste or being a gay moid, but many drag queens know about BL thanks to fan fiction and the RPF ships of drag queens from Drag Race. All of them find shipping 'cute' and literally don't take offence at it. Another aspect is they all aggressively flirt with each other and many also have sex with each other, so it is not unjustified.
>>13529>>13537Milo x Tarzan comes from a cropped animated gay porn and is used on stantwt.
No.13544
>>13534>who ships Tarzan x Milo???Me and three gay men. There's a guy who makes very detailed animations of this ship
>>13543Ah, beat me to it. Didn't know it became a meme kek
No.13552
>>13551>nowadays it is generally accepted that the more energetic and extroverted characters as being the seme'sI hate this so much and am looking forward to when the cycle slides back into A/B. I have been cursed with the seedling of a new ship and what little western art/fic there is trends toward B/A so much that I will honestly be mad if it blossoms into real interest (most of the jp fanart is A/B so I lucked out there).
No.13554
>>13553Honestly Zoro uke works for Zolu imo, but if he's with Sanji he's seme 100% of the time.
No.13555
>>13552I blame western contrarianism for this. I have no other way to explain it
No.13558
>>13551Isn't Yuuji an uke? I see a lot of doujins of him getting topped by Goro on toranoana.
No.13559
>>13558*Gojo
(I don't read/watch shounen sorry)
No.13560
>>13551Giyuu is usually a seme when paired with Tanjiro or other younger characters but as soon as I see him with anyone else he's always an uke. I don't even hate Giyuu uke or him with Sanemi but I would just rather see him top that dude because Sanemi is kind of annoying so I would rather he get bullied than the reverse.
No.13561
>>13515>I really would just like a twitter/instagram/tiktok that's required to be 18+ but isn't a porn site or /b/ liteI would love that too. That's what I assumed tumblr and twitter were back in 2012 or so, but nowadays it seems like there are more and more teenagers on twitter, or I see adults on twitter who created their accounts so long ago they were like 8 or 10 years old at the time. As for tumblr, I deleted my account a long time ago, I haven't seen how it evolved since 2016.
>>13519Same for me. I heard that this scene is a bit censored on the Switch, and if I'm ever gonna play a long, story heavy video game I would rather play it on the Switch but it is what it is.
No.13562
>>13558It depends on the ships, I only ship Yuji with Megumi and I feel like whether he's going to be an uke or a seme with Megumi is 50/50. From what I've seen with other characters, Yuji is always an uke with Gojo, almost always an uke with Higuruma but to be determined I guess, I legit have no idea with Nanami and he's always the uke with Sukuna. To be honest, Sukuna is THE seme of the series. No matter who he's paired up with he's always the seme and him being the uke just seem blasphemous to me
especially because in canon he's often associated with his kawaii twink page/servant, who was reincarnated as an androgynous young woman in the present and he's disguted by a female character who's in love with him and even more mentally ill as him. No.13565
>>13556I played Sekiro without any prior knowledge and they are so cute together, and honestly if you haven't played FromSoft before it might help a bit since you won't have to overwrite your muscle memory of how the other games play
I think it's considered the hardest game from their Soulslikes? I didn't think it was horribly difficult but finishing enough fujobait games has made me a 1337 g4m3r
No.13571
>>13566>There are likely a shit ton of quotes hating on the OP (which is fair too)>(which is fair too)No it's not. OP said nothing wrong. Nature is finally healing
No.13572
>>13556if you like mc for shota consider giving nier replicant too a chance, since that game has a canon shota character implied to be in love with the mc
No.13575
>>13572Isn't it straight? Still planning to play it, but it doesn't look like it'd scratch a BL itch.
>>13555Why do you think it's contrarian for the quiet one to be the uke? IMO it really depends on the character in particular, but usually quiet or stoic characters come off as reserved and socially awkward so I can't picture them making the first move. Not familiar with all the characters in the picture so I can't give any examples based on that chart.
Though as an aside I know it's AI slop, but is the guy in the boar mask pictured twice in the bottom bus? The guy behind Zoro is the same character right?
>>13551 No.13577
>>13575One of the endings reflects on the feelings between a straight ship, but there's plenty of longing from the shota throughout the game.
No.13579
>>13555Agree with
>>13575 the more reserved nature of Japanese semes in an east asian context was I think intended to emphasize their maturity, but in a western context it actually makes them come across as more awkward and less active.
No.13583
>>13582I would read het if I wanted penis in vagina. What is wrong with gay anal sex? Or just two dicks?
No.13584
>>13582Dear God, there is no shortage of het porn for these people, just fuck off already.
No.13586
>>13582This isn't defending it? It's literally calling cuntboy trash.
No.13587
>>13586The quote-tweet is calling it treasure. She's disagreeing with the original (correct) poster.
"So it is true that some people's (the original poster) trash is someone else's (the quote-tweeter and the 113k pooners that liked it) treasure."
No.13589
>>13582The absolute state of "fujos" and "yaoi" these days… it's funny because you'll see a bunch of people saying giving your fav a pussy is a gift from god, pussy > dick, etc. but they only give it to the bottom lol. I don't know if they're misidentifying their own preferences or just don't want to admit it(?) but all of people just like PIV, not pussy
No.13590
>>13582Hmm. I wish to read something of the Homosexual Sex variety today. I will go on the story site, to find some Homosexual Sex stories featuring the same-gendered pair of characters of my preference, because I wish to consume a story about Homosexual Sex, of course. Ah, I have found a story. The tags are as such;
>Vaginal>Vaginal fingering>Cunnilingus>Penis-in-vagina sex>Boypussy>Trans!CharacterMmm… what bliss. Another most enjoyable read of thoroughly Homosexual Sex!
No.13591
>>13589Honestly this is what actually pisses me off about the whole ordeal. If you like cuntboy piv then good for you, just don't pretend it's not just you liking piv. If you actually liked pussy in general you'd be okay with top!cuntboy and sex involving vaginas that didn't involve piv. Straight women acting like they are oppressed and prosecuted for liking the sex act that 95% of the population likes!!! And meanwhile you can't even say you are not into certain genitals without being called a bigot. God when will they shut up.
No.13594
>>13582>>13589I saw some people reply to these posts with
if you want to see pussies so much why don't you read yuri? which is absolutely valid, and the response was
well my yuri also has girlcock! take that transphobe! and it's just so obvious what it is they want to see - heterosexual/PiV sex being called homosexual.
There's so many posts like pic related these days, it makes me ashamed to call myself a fujo. I used to have no problem with mpreg/omegaverse but nowadays it's just another troon thing because they don't mean actual men having assbabies when they talk about it. What happened to actually liking two guys having gay sex? I thought that was what yaoi was about, apparently not anymore.
>>13583I tried arguing with a TiF once saying I find PiV uncomfortable and I don't want to see it in a genre that should, by defintion, be free of it but they just pull the
uhh you're a bigot transphobe! card. I think bullying them out of fandom spaces is the only solution.
No.13595
>>13594I wonder how often feminine ukes drawn anatomically correct with dicks make TIFs dysphoric. We just need to establish that cuntboy is its own separate fetish and that men don't have vaginas.
No.13596
>>13594I wonder what they would answer with if they were asked if they had some sort of problem with two penis haters having sex and why they don't see those as "treasure" or whatever.
Isnt it a little queerphobic to say that two penishavors having sex *isn't* also worth having around and respected? Why do they feel the need to feminine homosexuals? Do they not see them as men? Isn't that fucked up and forcing stereotypical prejudice onto gay men?
No.13597
>>13596To them they see absolutely no correlation between two penis havers and being gay because it's all based on identity, not sex. Advanced brainrot.
No.13598
>>13594I miss assbabies so much. Too many fujos got bullied over it so they had to overexplain until the fakejoshis caught on and just made it 100% with actual vagina and vulva
No.13600
>>13599Sounds disgusting either way. I have a visceral reaction to it.
No.13602
>>13600>>13601Fair enough. "Bussy" is far more cursed lol.
No.13603
>>13598Was talking with a younger fujo the other day and she asked how mpreg would even work in omegaverse if the omegas had dicks. The sacred texts are being lost…
No.13604
There's some interesting anime airing this season but so far I didn't notice anything fujo aligned aside from the actual BL anime. Maybe I should've gotten into Diamond no ace.
No.13606
>>13599Same. It used to be funny, now it's just annoying.
>>13603I saw "fujos" on twitter question it too. "The point of omegaverse is to give men pussies" no??? Tf??? That's not omegaverse then, that's just het??? I'm writing omegaverse without mpreg rn and pooners on twitter are saying that omegaverse without mpreg is boring and pointless. Maybe I wouldn't be mad about it if the people saying were assbabies likers, but most of them are just annoying boypussy enjoyers? Sorry that I want my yaoi to actually feel like yaoi I guess. God, when will it end
No.13607
>>13603>>13606I thought the whole point of omegaverse was assbabies? What the hell is wrong with the world? Fuck FtM self-inserters
No.13608
>>13607I thought that was the point too, plus the biological need to be ravished or else you'll go mad. Het ABO was a fucking mistake
No.13609
>>13572I enjoy the game and Emil is a cutie but I couldn't really get into the shipping mindset with that game.
No.13610
>>13606If they wanna write cuntboy stuff then by all means go ahead and have fun but they just don't even know where the kink comes from in the first place and act like it's original version is weird, and it's just so puzzling. Like that's where the kink comes from?
No.13611
>>13572you are setting them up for disappointment
No.13612
>>13611>>13609Yeah like the only window for
human Emil to get his ass pounded is that brief pre-game period in the drama cds where
Tyrann kidnaps him. I love Nier but I don't think I'd ever rec it under that umbrella.
No.13614
Something I've noticed with the rise of cuntboy is that the demographics of it are usually these kinds of people
>Pooners that somehow aren't dysphoric enough to have an aversion to vaginas
>Lesbians who 'like' yaoi but don't 'like' men so cuntboy is the closest to making 'guy yuri'
>Fake fujos who can't into anal sex because anal is gross and PIV is more natural
>Queerfags that just like anything that is woke and queer like trans HCs, chopped tits, straight up tits on a man, etc. but these are usually also TIFs
>Young fujos who have been moderately groomed by Pooners into accepting pussy in BL since "trans men are men too" therefore it's better if they have a pussy anyway
>TIF/Pooners with an aversion to dicks/anal because they were sexually abused
So it's usually mostly all trannies trying to convince fujos that cuntboy is a subset of "being trans". Hell, don't even say cuntboy because it's offensive! It's simply trans! You like trans men! Boypussy = trans!
And whatever else.
See, I don't really have an issue with cuntboy shit as long as people acknowledge it's a fetish quite frankly. Futafags have been doing so for decades and it's usually men admitting they like to see penetration, and if the dick is attached to another girl it doesn't matter and it's never some propaganda showcase about trans women being valid.
Cuntboy has existed for a very long time, for the better or worse, and when it's done by a non-westerner its simply straight up a fetish. If you want to draw pussy, do it but don't pretend it's anything more than a fetish.
I don't know why pooners don't even realize that they themselves are the ones spreading the fetishization of "trans men" by constantly referring to cuntboy shit as trans, and that it's ALWAYS used for sexual purposes? There are some fics where the supposed "transness" is relevant with the characters giving some speech about how it's ok to be trans and mentioning binders or chest scars, but majority of cuntboy stuff is literally any other PWP smut you'll see just that the guy happens to have a vagina and is always the bottom. Is that not some form of fetishization too?
No.13615
>>13614Personally, I don't really care whether it's trans or not. A man with a pussy is an oxymoron. Pussy has no place in yaoi, and piv will never be gay sex, I'm really tired of seeing it when I search for stories about gay sex. Pooners and the rest refuse to put their stories in M/F? Fine, let them have some other category, but don't put that shit in M/M, cause it's not yaoi and never will be, jusf as futa shit will never be yuri.
No.13619
>>13614I don’t believe any of the lesbian cope or dick related trauma cope because its ALWAYS piv. You’d think supposed dick repulsed people would opt for putting pussies on both characters, but its only ever one of them.
No.13620
>>13614I personally think you can narrow down the categories to
>TIFs who want to self-insert into the uke (fujo-yume hybrid)>Fakejos / shippers who just want het with the male characters they already like because anal sex is gross or they just want PiVI also don't buy any lesbians or trauma cope like
>>13619. Why don't they ever write lesbian sex with two pussies? You can come up with a million justifications for why, but at the end of the day a straight woman into PiV is what it is. And that's okay. But BL is gay, and gay means two dicks.
No.13622
>>13614imagine being a cis gay dude and some chick who goons to piv exclusively tries to tell you that you are a bigot because you- the gay dude, are not attracted to pussy in any form.
No.13624
>>13620>Why don't they ever write lesbian sex with two pussies?I actually have seen it happen where they slowly just stop caring about pretending to see them as men and just end up writing/drawing "genderbend yuri" hence why I added it as something I've seen. But it doesn't happen often.
No.13625
>>13624Not a lesbian but this happened to me. I still enjoy cuntboy stuff and will write BL and even het occasionally, but ultimately I simply prefer pussy.
On the other hand, I understand the frustration expressed here regardless of my preferences because seeing dicks in yuri is legit my personal 9/11.
No.13626
>>13625I also like cuntboy or male futa in some circumstances, but I wouldn't consider it BL
No.13627
I never understand why they don't do cuntboy4cuntboy, I would respect them a little more if they did but it's always cuntboy4male. To me when it's both I can tolerate it and just control f to change the pronouns but I always know for the latter that they're self-inserting because they want to get fucked by the seme and I won't even click on the fic. They're also incapable of tagging uniformly because people won't admit it's cuntboy. A select few call it trans, a few call it intersex, but a lot of people will just say "character A w/ a pussy" or any variation of that and it's difficult to filter it out. I also don't get why these women don't just get into het ships. Clearly you DO like them more than you like m/m, the only thing I can think is that they get off on "degrading" one of the characters or that they're so averse to normal women that despite not liking anal they see all female characters as having their gender be their defining trait and thus are immediately turned off as "trans men". Slightly off topic but it reminds me of this delusional TIF I saw who said she only wanted male gynos because she was one of the dudes and wanted to be treated like one, and that by a female gyno she would be assumed to have stuff in common with her (oh the horror!). TIFs refuse to relate to women despite being them.
No.13628
>>13603That's genuinely depressing. It's funny how the things pooners are obsessed with in their
yaoi (PiV sex, breeding, pregnancy, stoic alpha daddy x helpless crybaby uke that's also given a pussy) are all the things you'd find in those trashy smut books for straight women, yet they try to gaslight people that this makes them valid and real MEN.
>>13614Imo it's pretty much just the TIF cult and poor nu-fujos that have been brainwashed by them into accepting cuntboy as a core part of BL (which it isn't and shouldn't be). I would bet that a lot of them either secretly don't like it or simply don't know better, but either way they're scared of getting cancelled for being transphobic.
I could in theory be more accepting of cuntboy if people actually gave tops or both character pussies, or if they still drew their canon selves (aka two guys with dicks) more often than cuntboy. However, what these people do is the exact opposite: the bottom must be a FTM tranny 100% of the time and this headcanon overwrites canon for them, and if you speak against it, you're a bigot.
>>13619They're full of shit most of the time, unless (in the very rare cases) they either 1) draw solo cuntboy stuff or 2) give both characters pussies. I'm grossed out by dicks irl and while I'm ok with seeing them in my BL, the last thing I want to see them near are pussies.
Somewhat related, but there's a lot of yuri artists that always make one of the characters a futa in nsfw art, and I don't understand the obsession with both penetration in general being the only way for characters to have sex, and also why they can't just make it a strap-on or a magic dick or something.
No.13635
>>13628That futa and cuntboy (and only ever portrayed in service to PIV) are so popular is proof to me that 99% of people in fandom are straight no matter how much they wanna cope about it.
No.13636
>>13635I hate this I fucking hate this so fucking much. Fucking hell I hate the BL gentrification so fucking much I want to metaphorically hang myself
No.13639
Simply put: it's not yuri if one of them needs to get prostate exams and it's not yaoi if one of them needs pap smears
No.13640
>>13627>I also don't get why these women don't just get into het ships.I think a not insignificant amount of them have a conversion fetish about gay men, and a guy and a ftm having sex fufills that for them.
No.13642
>>13628>That's genuinely depressing. It's funny how the things pooners are obsessed with in their yaoi (PiV sex, breeding, pregnancy, stoic alpha daddy x helpless crybaby uke that's also given a pussy) are all the things you'd find in those trashy smut books for straight women, yet they try to gaslight people that this makes them valid and real MEN.I feel like this is specifically what happens in Asian fandoms, in the western ones they put vaginas on these big beefcake bara characters that they kin. The western fujoyume fanbase hates flowery twinks for the same NLOG reason people hate pretty boy bands.
No.13643
This discussion motivates me to draw pretty boy flowery twinks with large penises
No.13646
>>13645I want to see Vincent fucked in the ass
No.13647
>>13645You can still find some bottom Vincent content, but I haven't seen any piece of bottom Infinite art, like ever.
No.13648
>>13645I remember back when Cid/Vincent was popular. Too bad people were too ojiisan tainted with Cid and made him seem like he was a geriatric hardass despite being 32 years old. Maybe we'll get a modern version of that ship after the last game comes out
No.13649
>>13645That's an interesting take to me; most of the fic and fanart I saw of the original Compilation had him playing uke to Cid or Reeve (or Hojo). Is the vampire daddy thing because of the remake?
>>13648To be fair, most of the people writing it were teens who couldn't imagine anything beyond 25 as not being 'old man' territory.
No.13651
>>13650Makes sense, Sefikura often had woobified Cloud so I can see why Vincent would also fill that niche for him amongst those shippers.
No.13652
>>13650Sometimes I feel like a male shounen fan when I see characters who are strong get turned into limb wristed fruits who get crippling weakness for dicks. like If you want such characters to bottom that's fine, but don't turn them into weaklings who are easily overpowered and immediately want to suck a penis.
No.13653
>>13589>>13590>>13594I've been away from the fanfic scene for a looong time, actually before this was even a thing, but why not just read a straight fanfic? Giving your favorite male characters a vagina, so that you can fully inhabit him and relate to him in a sexual way is literally what yumes do, but they are doing it with a boy.
They would be more satisfied with normie women's erotic books.
>futa true but as always, men and women act different. Men who are into futa don't do any of the shipping thing, they just see a girl they find hot and picture her with a 8 inch bong and that's that.
Sure it's because men and women process sexuality differently so shipping/romantic involvements is part of how most girls get sexually aroused but still, if you are going to take your fetish into drama territory that's where you going too far.
No.13654
>>13653They can't have a het ship and read straight fanfic because that's gross and basic and heteronormative and not special sparkly queer!
It makes you miss normal genderswap fics. At least they weren't desperate to call PIV "queer".
No.13655
>>13653>they just see a girl they find hot and picture her with a 8 inch bong and that's thatThe way I see it, there's a clear difference between futafags as you explained them (men who want to coom to hot girls with big dicks), and the trans crowd that pretends that these characters are their uwu transbian representation and gets angry at you if you use the word 'futa' instead of 'girlcock' (ew).
No.13656
>>13654It's embarrassing when grown ass women act like this. You are +30 and still basing your identity on special sparkly labels instead of existing in the world. Unironically publicly shipping your furry OCs is less embarrassing than insisting on unique gender labels and headcanons.
No.13657
>>13655they’re both fetishists. one just admits it
No.13658
>>13653I wonder of these woman just really want to get married/pregnant and project that want on their favorite ships.
I'm always baffled when I come across accounts dedicated to a gay ship and all the art they retweet, all the posts they make are about character getting fucked in the pussy and getting pregnant/having kids. What the hell.
No.13666
>>13582I stopped trying reason with people who think not wanting to read cuntboy fetish has some vagina-hate speech behind it. Honestly, if they cant stop taking the "not my cup of tea" as a personal attack, im too old to deal with this new gen of fujos. the brainrot is so real
No.13685
I get confused when people say
>dark hair topping is the default
Since even with old ships I like it would be
>white/blonde hair top
>brown/black hair bottom
No.13687
>>13685That's what comes to mind for me because of Kawoshin. Though now I wonder if Griffith and Ryo usually top. I'm only familiar with Berserk and Devilman on a surface level but my mind also goes there when I think of old light hair and dark hair ships.
No.13689
>>13687Griffith always does from what I’ve seen
Weirdly Ryo usually bottoms, makes more sense for him to top in my opinion but I don’t ship either of those.
>>13688Brondie
No.13690
>>13685Dark hair tops are more of a thing in KR stuff, JP still sticks to light hair tops. CN just gives them both dark hair.
No.13692
>>13652You're not alone, anon. Yaoi is hotter, I find, when everyone's in character.
No.13693
>>13692It's hot when they get embarrassed or humiliated in character. I LOVE when writers are skilled enough to make it happen.
>This is so OOC he would never do thatOkay, so write a fic to make him do that >:)
No.13694
>>13685somehow I feel like it’s split fairly even. I don’t think hair color has as much influence as things like height do
No.13700
>>13690>Dark hair tops are more of a thing in KR stuffIs it? The dark haired tan buff bottom is a pretty popular trope nowadays.
No.13704
>>13700there's a lot more diversity with Koreans in terms of dynamics, more so then with Japanese and Chinese works.
No.13705
>>13694>things like height doHeight followed by age, see obi-wan, he would have been considered the top in most situations, but because he is much shorter than Anakin, he is the designated bottom (he is number 37 of the most tagged bottom characters in a03). If that height difference had not existed it would be like Yuji and Gojo.
No.13707
>>13706Cuties!
It's adorable how the mom is carrying the baby on her back. I'd never get one as a pet since I love dogs too much but I support your dream, anteater anon!
I also hope the ants leave you alone one day kek
No.13709
Sorry if that's tmi but I've just tried using a sex toy for the first time in my life and I feel so fucking cheated, tf? I thought I was going to have the best time of my life based on the many reviews but it was just average? It's easier to press a button than use your hands manually, sure, but it wasn't groundbreaking or anything… at least I got it on discount and not for 100$ jeez
No.13710
>>13709What did you buy? If you've been masturbating in the same way for a very long time it can take some time before you get used to new experiences.
No.13711
>>13708I saw that and it's so fucking funny to me how there's only one thing that japanese and koreans can settle their hatred on each other aside, and that's to shit on westerners who pirate.
Obviously, I disagree with the absolutely nonsensical absurdism of jp/kr hatred for piracy (I'm sure this is mostly zoomer koreans because no way was jp media available to kr that easily several years ago) but it really is a bit funny, in a somewhat negative way, how their xenophobia comes flooding in the second piracy is mentioned.
Pedos and assault on women? Nah
Pirating a 20 year old game with no global release? real shit
No.13712
>>13710Womanizer Mini 2
Maybe other, more expensive womanizer models feel different, idk, but it was very meh.
if you know any cool non-penetrational masturbation methods pls share… I think I've read about everything out there though, maybe I should just accept that gooning will never be as exciting for me as it is for others No.13714
>>13711It’s especially hilarious with Korea since I know a bunch of their asses pirated DRV3 since it was banned over there.
No.13718
Does anyone have good recommendations for BL series with an older brother as the bottom? I'm not really into Shota stuff fyi.
No.13720
>>13719GDI, the anime was already sanitized to Hell and back and this still happened.
Now I'm worried about Nakayama and Shota Oni, hopefully the subject matters deters them enough but we never know with this kind of people.
I wonder what would happen if Harada's One Room Angel or any of her less graphic series got an anime adaptation…
No.13721
>>13719RIP, but if she ever changes her mind she still has 30 days to reactivate her account. Fingers crossed. I tried to look into what was going before that happened because she deactivated her account when it was the middle of the night for me but all I can find on twitter is other fujoshi complaining that Syundei deleted her account over pedo accusations and one Portugese speaking kpop stan saying she didn't mean to harass her BUT it's not her fault. Maybe all the harassers deleted their posts to seem like they didn't do anything wrong?
>I cannot wait for the day that Japanese creators move to a platform that isn't a hotspot for the Western morality police.Plenty of them moved to bluesky in 2024 but stayed active on twitter at the same time for marketing reasons. I wonder how it's going over there, I barely use bluesky, I just know BL mangaka are very active there anytime they post about new chapter or volume releases.
>>13720One Room Angel already had a drama CD adaptation with the normal guy being voiced by Sugita iykyk, and then it had a live action adaptation, I doubt it will have an anime adaptation unless maybe it's a movie. In Harada's case, she's too well known for her really trashy manga, which means that if that were to happen somehow, tourists/fake fans would drop her like a hot potato way faster and will jump to straight up telling everyone she's a degenerate, with everyone else replying with "well, duh" or "omg thanks for warning me" early enough that they won't even try to infiltrate her fanbase. It's as always, just like I noticed on tumblr like 15 years ago, the more wholesome something is, the crazier and more demonic the fanbase will become. If a story is already crazy or trashy from the start the people who ruin fandoms and harass authors won't even try to start reading/watching it to begin with. The case with Syundei is like the exact opposite of what happened with Asada Nemui a few months ago, with her arguing with other fujoshi over whether BL manga should be censored and hidden in bookstores the same way straight hentai is, with her saying that women are far less likely to read yaoi and start abusing and raping men who watch porn so this shouldn't even be an argument and other fujoshi telling her she has the wrong opinion because then bookstores and publishing companies will hear normies complaining about yaoi covers in the middle of bookstores and will push for more censorship. Asada Nemui just didn't give a fuck and didn't mind the misandry accusations. This also reminds me of the JJK mangaka saying in an interview he doesn't use social media or he wouldn't be able to stop himself from arguing with everyone online.
No.13723
>>13721>Plenty of them moved to bluesky in 2024the majority of bl mangaka i tried to follow stopped posting by 2025. bluesky engagement numbers are much, MUCH lower than twitter.
the only one i can think of that still makes cute life updates there presently is haji.
No.13725
>>13723I'm not surprised given how most people kept using both twitter and bluesky at the same time "just in case" unless they were the exact same type who ruined twitter before deactivating and then polluting bluesky.
No.13729
>>13725most of those types got scared off by the fact that bluesky's largest population is by far kink-friendly furries who refuse to be bullied about their supposed thought crimes. small victories, i guess.
No.13730
>>13719Words cannot describe how mad I am right now, god damn. Calling these zoomers cancerous is very appropriate here.
No.13731
>>13719Jesus, the anime came out and even got rid of the more suggestive scenes and these gremlins still harass the author just cuz she likes student x teacher stuff. I hope she'll be okay, I was really hoping with the anime we would get a volume 3 but if she were to quit making manga all together then I will never let this fuckers live down what they did.
No.13733
>>13731Why'd she want to make a volume 3 if everyone apparently hates her work and cheers when it gets censored? really sad stuff
No.13735
>>13719It boggles the mind how a mangaka like this gets harassment but meanwhile everyone makes excuses for why Yana Toboso and Aida Iro aren't actually shotacons so they're fine. (Or maybe they don't have accounts / are private, I don't know) And male mangaka obviously get nothing.
No.13736
>>13735The people who harassed Syundei aren't the ones who ignore Yana Tobo, they're two different groups. They can't harass the artists you listed because they're too big to fail nowadays and they either never posted online ever or stopped doing it long ago except for marketing reasons. They're fulltime artists too. Syundei and other BL artists usually draw their manga part time and treat social media the way regular people use it, so that's different. That's why I made a comparison with Asada Nemui, who had a very different reaction to a similar situation, where it's obvious she was posting on her own account during her free time. If Black Butler started two years ago and the very first season started last week I bet western fake fans would have had a mental breakdown though and would have harassed her because she would have been easier to reach. She had her own blog long ago after all. The most they will say about the likes of Watsuki is things like "he's a bad person, so I will never read his manga" and that's it, they never target people like him and their coworkers, or even publishing companies in general, because it's too late or they're just lazy bums and sexist.
No.13737
>>13719They censored her work to hell and she still got harassed anyway? Bleak…
No.13738
>>13719I cannot really verify because searching on Twitter is hell but I've been seeing a lot of people say Syundei was harassed almost exclusively by Latin American antis. If real then I guess it shows that the "anti" problem is now more widespread than ever, which is fucking terrible.
No.13739
>>13719Time to make BL even more problematic and not give a fuck about representation to filter out casuals. All of her work is very tame to me which is depressing.
No.13741
>>13719love how they called out japanese women for drawings but god forbid they call out their pedophile celebrities and trannies school shooting.
Kpop is also an evil industry but again, hypocrisy doesn't matter to them.
No.13742
>>13741The irony of some of them having a blm tag in their bio but being kpop fans is baffling.
No.13743
>>13738>Latin American antiswhy am I not surprised, wonder why the dbz and ranma fandom are such trash
No.13744
>>13719Does anyone even have any of the original harassment posts? They already sanitized her anime to hell and back so what more do people want?
>>13738Bullying done by LAs can be pretty brutal, but then she should just pull a funamusea on them then and just block every spanish speaking person (although a lot of LAs are also very non anti too)
No.13745
>>13744>Bullying done by LAs can be pretty brutal, but then she should just pull a funamusea on them then and just block every spanish speaking person (although a lot of LAs are also very non anti too)Most of my fans (for an incestuous and age gap ship) are LA. I only see people who like my ship from L.A., China and Japan.
No.13746
>>13719As horrible as twitter is, I do not know a "safer" place for artists when it comes to proship discourse. Tumblr is dead, instagram/tiktok users will eat you alive for posting idk incest art. The fact that a prominent japanese mangaka got harassed off twitter of all places because her art wasn't sanitized enough for these tourists is very concerning.
No.13747
>>13744>but then she should just pull a funamusea on them then and just block every spanish speaking personWhat first came to mind for me was Hideki Kamiya. Say what you will about the man but it's pretty smart to block first and ask questions later. His timeline is reportedly immaculate.
No.13748
>>13746My problem with instagram is the stupid AI overview on every single thing you look up. So it's full of ai misinformation blatantly lying to you about the thing you posted. which makes it worse if it's controversial.
There is no English language platform online that is a safe space for artists as forums have turned horrifically tribal. I found a lookmaxxing forum by mistake and there were kids as young as 15 openly interacting on posts about demeaning+having sex with women. It was surreal. Fandom's been pushed to a teeny corner without sanitizing your image and the only way to push back is to basically make an AO3 but social media. There have been attempts but they never really make it.
No.13749
>>13738>Latin American antis.Somebody posted somewhere around here about how LA discourse is a few years "behind" EN and I would not wish early 2020s Twitter discourse on anybody.
>>13746Bluesky's block is very powerful and since activating a list that can block everybody with "proship DNI" in their profile I have not seen a peep of discourse. Unfortunately it's a shitty site for other reasons, but I do consider it the least terrible social media site.
No.13750
I feel like there has been an increase of people hating the author of a work they love. Like I'm aware mangakas are no saints and you can get frustrated with how they take a story or even how they are as people, but when I see fans of shonen they're always saying how they wanna kill the mangaka. I see it with One Piece, JJK, Chainsaw Man, etc etc. The other say I saw someone saying ZUN is ruining Touhou. I feel like what happened with Syundei is a side effect of the idea of hating the author being so common nowadays.
No.13751
It's common to say that proshippers are cringe or that people who identify as proshippers are embarrassing, but I've always thought the women who seriously freak out over anime drawings fetishizing glorifying romanticizing abuse are far more embarrassing
>>13746>>13749A freespeech Bluesky would be nice. Similar to an AO3 for artists. I wish Twitter was less cancerous and had no AI bullshit.
>>13750what the hell is wrong with people nowadays
No.13752
>>13746There is no "safe" place when it comes to this bullshit. You can find youtube shorts/tiktoks/insta reels talking about problematic yaoi with thousands of likes, and twitter these days is just a cointainment site for the mentally ill so it doesn't shock me that this happened. This is just the new status quo. I don't even like the term "proshipper", it's something that should have died with tumblr. It's hard not to be a doomer when this shit happened to Nakamura-kun of all things. I still remember all the fandom tenderqueers talking about how hecking wholesome and not like the other yaois it was, and now it's evil pedo propaganda. I hate to say this but since I doubt things will ever improve (anime joining major streaming platforms, too many people addicted to social media especially post covid, fujoshi/yaoi cyclically becoming a vague interest to normies like we're exotic animals in a zoo) our best bets as fujos is to hope the things we like remain unknown. I'd rather deal with a half dead fandom than witness more of this retardation.
No.13753
>>13750>One PieceI would love to see Oda actually catch some heat for still associating with Watsuki.
>The other say I saw someone saying ZUN is ruining TouhouNow that's fucking wild.
>>13752I've had pretty good luck with posting my work on pixiv and Ao3 only. The extra friction of having to go to a site where you can't QRT something you want dogpiled keeps stuff quiet.
No.13754
>>13752Between this and the raid/banning on the other site, I'm starting to feel a little depressed over it all.
Nothing is how it used to be, its like everyone just hate everything under a cheap veneer of being a fan/free to talk.
No.13761
>>13760These people need to be bullied out of animanga
No.13762
>>13760I know I'm preaching to the choir here but these people's mindsets are alien to me. I got jumpscared a while back by the knowledge that some moid's, I assume, pixel animations went viral for depicting horrific machine-based loli torture but even so I just cringed and moved on with my life because I know it doesn't make any sense to mistreat real people over drawings.
No.13763
>>13759To be really frank, I think it's most likely the gendie tendie troons who did it since they tend to be puritanical without being rightoids.
>>13760Victim blaming nice. Hope nothing awful happens to that person where people shift the blame onto her.
And I will proudly fetishize BL. Eat shit.
No.13765
>>13763From what I've seen posted about the instigators, one was a kpop Melanie Martinez Stan and the other was a gendie tif into JJK with a Given pfp.
No.13767
>>13765>kpop stan>tifWhy am I not surprised…
No.13768
>>13766An individualist culture vs a collectivist culture, basically?
No.13769
Anyone else hit by the recent Twitter ban wave? Trying to file appeals when there's no humans on staff is annoying as all hell. And all I do is follow BL artists and quote retweet their stuff.
No.13771
>>13769That's weird, do you only retweet/quote tweets or do you also make original tweets, post pics, etc?
I've never been banned, only shadow banned, appealed like twice and it lasted some months until it went away
No.13772
>>13766>I think a discussion could be had about different cultural values when it comes to morality / ethicsFirst it was the Korean lamento piracy post, and now I've been forced to see the Japanese melting down over fans making a private server for Nier:Reincarnation and I just genuinely can't understand WHY the japanese get so horribly offended by anything that may infringe on copyright law. They care more about copyright law than actual human rights it's kind of insane.
No.13773
>>13771I mostly just lurk, so I haven't made any Tweets.
No.13774
>>13772I remember Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE got shut down. The private server lasted awhile too. Japan never really comes out with online games so it's weird seeing something as common as a private server get copyright struck.
No.13776
The Syundei shit sucks but it's important that anons direct their anger into creating things they like. Don't let the flame die.
>>13735>>13761The same harassers are insanely hypocritical as well, indulging in the same problematic content they claim to hate under the guise of consuming it critically or whatever. Sorry to the anons who like Black Butler here but whenever I see official art, it reminds me of picrel. How the fuck do you "critically consume" a series like that? I will always side-eye those kind of people. More people need to call out these hypocrites. They're the last ones who have the right to be on a moral high horse
No.13777
>>13769I'm in the same boat. I've appealed three times at this point and all I get are automated responses. It's pissing me off.
No.13778
>>13766>western authors and audiences will focus on uniqueness, diversity, and realism within fictional media Because that's propaganda, it's not "uniqueness" to have a transexual main character be the best female sports player, just like having snow white be a latina.
It's a cheap rehearsal for the sake of people who feel insicure.
>Whereas easterners generally speaking tend to regard fiction as escapist self-fulfillmentBecause that's literally what fiction was created FOR. Escapism.
Even the most "message realistic having" pieces of literature, still are ultimately an escapism mechanism. Easterns have it right.
>ChristiniatyAre you the same anon that keeps bringing up Christianity whenever there is the chance? How has Christianity anything to do with twitter cunts hating a Japanese woman for drawing problematic? Are you saying Christians are where racism comes from? If anything if it was Christian influenced they would be homophobic but they are not, there are some many they/them that harassed Syundei that's laughable.
I never see religious people in drama anymore.
No.13779
It amuses me when male coomers still call Bridget a boy when drawing porn of him and then the usual suspects start seething in the replies.
No.13780
>>13773nta but this could be why. New rules means the criteria to ban users on the basis that they're bots are getting weirder and assumes that everyone who's not a bot is a normie who posts the exact same stuff:
>if you don't post but reply you're a bot>f you post or retweet too much you're a bot (it happened to a mutual who was livetweeting about some kpop event a bit too much)>if you use hashtags too often you're a bot>if you talk about fandoms and hobbies and don't change your label as "parody account" or "fan account" you're a bot>same deal if you use a celebrity or fictional character as your pfpElon Musk is so autistic he thinks everyone should use twitter the way HE uses it (he personally doesn't like hashtags) and he's stingy he would rather use bots that don't work to moderate twitter against bots, which only bans humans but not actual bots.
No.13781
>>13780I genuinely cannot understand why people keep using that site, it must be stockholm syndrome at this point.
No.13782
>>13781It's convenient when it works. If I'm banned I will simply not remake an account and just stick to following the exact same people I already follow on bluesky just to follow news about anime conventions.
No.13783
>>13781>>I've had pretty good luck with posting my work on pixiv and Ao3 only. Do people leave comments under your work? I'm thinking about using ao3 for art, but the thought of having zero people engage with my work is depressing, most people use ao3 for fanfiction after all.
>>13781No good alternatives sadly. Are there any nonnas who know how to create a website for sctratch? Is it really that hard, I don't understand why 7 years after tumblr nsfw ban we still don't have a good alternative website for artists. I wish I understood how websites work…
No.13784
>>13776>and some call him PIGI’m fucking losing it kek
No.13786
>>13783>Are there any nonnas who know how to create a website for sctratch?You are grossly underestimating how difficult it is to make a platform without a host. There is a reason when cloudflare is out, over half the internet goes with it. When twitter lost most of its coding staff, it basically broke down. You can't just freewebs something and expect people to use it as a twitter replacement. It's more than difficult, it's outright impossible without a fuck ton of cash and an around the clock staff. Not even considering the politics because you will be banned in China, Russia, and any countries where homosexuality is a crime. Even this site is based on 2ch code and isn't from scratch.
No.13787
>>13768Yes
>>13778>Are you the same anon that keeps bringing up Christianity whenever there is the chance?No, what the fuck? I'm talking about how Christianity influenced western culture around morals and sexuality, especially American culture and puritanism. You sound like a triggered Christian.
No.13788
>>13783>Do people leave comments under your work?Yes but it's still an "engagement" hit. I don't mind because I'm extremely draconian about what a "real" fan is and if you don't visit the temples (Ao3/pixiv) I don't consider your praise (or critique!) as valuable anyway.
>good alternative website for artistsUGC image hosting is a much larger and way more expensive minefield than what Ao3 has to deal with.
No.13790
>>13712>Womanizer Mini 2Who decided this was a good name needs to be fired.
No.13791
>>13783>>13786I remember hearing a while ago somebody was making some fujo fediverse thing idk, it's been in eternal limbo and quite frankly it seemed a little too tranny-adjacent.
I think it's not too impossible to make a "website" from scratch though, you just need good coders and a considerate amount of knowledge of databases. I have made my own personal sites like those good old 2010s fansites, but never a workable misskey-twitter-tumblr equivalent thing. Personally I do like imageboards though… even if someone made a fujotwitter equivalent (ONLY for fujos) I can see it going to shit fast if the creator doesn't bend the knee to gendies so you just gotta make do with what you have.
No.13792
>>13791The alternative website doesn't have to be anything like tumblr or twitter though, it would be nice just to have something that is similar to Ao3 but for artists. For fandom, really. Twitter, instagram and tiktok are just not good places for fandoms to thrive. Well, a girl can dream.
>Personally I do like imageboards though… Same. I wish we had more anonymity in fandoms than the current state of them provides.
No.13793
>>13792>similar to Ao3 but for artists. For fandom, really.Pillowfort made an attempt at this but I don't think it has the money/traffic to flourish.
No.13794
>>13791>>13792Websites from scratch, as in no template and no host- difficult.
Website using wordpress and paying for a free speech host- very easy.
But neither is going to do well unless it can grow. No one will want to be associated with the bad site. AO3 gets a pass for the simple fact that it's anti-censorship and thus, cuntboy-neo pronoun central. A fujo only site with image, video and post sharing ('sides this place) is a good idea until it comes time to grow. I would love it if my favorite fandoms got more people chatting, but telling a gendie to fuck off is a quick way to cut off potential because unfortunately, they will cry about it. And people will listen.
I would love a no limits, all cis fandom space. But you bet a lot of artists will lose a fuck ton of support for being on the "transphobe" site.
No.13795
>>13794Your post reminded me of y!gallery. Rest in fucking peace.
>But you bet a lot of artists will lose a fuck ton of support for being on the "transphobe" site.We just need the tranny mind-disease to finally die and the troons and handmaidens to shirk away. It does look like it's starting to lessen a little but not fast enough for my taste. I just with the cuntboy retards would admit they're self-inserters and like het sex instead. Go make your own goddamn community. Istg it's always fujos people keep trying to leech on for content and views, and fujos feel forced to take the knee because we're always the scapegoat in fandom.
No.13796
>>13795It is insanely frustrating seeing a bunch of people who refuse to admit they are turned on by PIV.
Futa fans have always been open that they like dicks on chicks because they self insert and want to see a dick enter a girl with no men. Futa on male aside. Cuntboy is just Futa on the opposite end and isn't trans rep. It's just PIV without the woman. The denial is so tiresome.
No.13797
>>13795>I just with the cuntboy retards would admit they're self-inserters and like het sex insteadIt's not always about self insertion. For me it's because I am a pervert and sometimes I like men getting fucked with the wrong genitals.
No.13798
>>13794It's so sad how almost all porn sites have a separate trans category, because they are made for men by men so nobody gaf. Even when half the stuff posted on these websites contains content an average fujo would get doxxed for enjoying (teen, noncon, incest, etc). But it's different because this is men's porn alright! If a fujo wants trans porn to be separate from her yaoi, she's a monster. I fucking hate tifs so much.
No.13799
>>13797nta
I am a pervert.
But I admit that I like it because I have an opposite genital and body fetish. Which is not something everyone else figured out because they don't want to be on the same level as straight men who are honest and mostly proud. I want my yaoi to contain yaoi. I want my freak genitalia porn to be another kind of porn.
No.13801
>>13797Forgive me for my rabidness, but frankly no, they're no longer men. The TIFs and CBfags have ruined any good will I may have towards anyone or their reasoning for it. That's how tired I am. I'd be more empathetic if it were labeled correctly and placed anywhere not BL or M/M or anything gay man related. I can't even stomach to call cuntboy yuri either, since that's an insult to the genre. Futanari in general has left me disgusted when it used to not.
>>13798> If a fujo wants trans porn to be separate from her yaoi, she's a monster. I fucking hate tifs so much.We should not be fearing for our fucking lives getting doxxed because of these suicidal crybullies. I will never feel bad for tifs no matter how much they were allegedly groomed or memed into trooning out.
No.13802
>>13799>I am a pervert.And it's interesting how this "muh fetish" always involves PIV and the one with a vagina is always the one receiving. You fakejoshis should be more honest and accept the obvious hetlarp self-insert. Nobody wants to see your cuntshit in bl.
No.13803
>>13802I've seen a lot of people admit that they love to see men humiliated and that's why they love the CB aspect, and all I can think is how sad it is to feel that having a vulva is the most humiliating thing. To get fucked in the pussy is something so obscene, so revolting, so uncanny, just… just get therapy and love yourself. There is nothing humiliating about your own genitalia. A man can get humiliated just fine by getting fucked by another dude, no pussies attached.
I think a lot of women should understand that having consensual happy sex with a man is not humiliation. Being straight isn't weird and wanting a fantasy romance between a man and a woman isn't either.
So keep your secret het fantasies out of BL and fix your damn straight genre.
No.13804
>>13802>You fakejoshisI'm going to introduce you to a new concept.
It's called "both." I can partake in fujo content, like fujo specific content, and ship 2 men as cis. I can also watch porn on a separate channel and not dedicate my life and opinion to one specific thing. You genuinely sound like the same delulu gendies you're whining about. Both can exist. Both should exist, with a fucking label.
The problem that you specifically seem to be missing is that people can't separate these two things and lump them together. I don't want a character to have a pussy when I'm not looking for that. The troons that self insert, the freaks who just want porn and the fujoshi who want true BL should all learn to use labels and operate separately while ignoring the ones they don't like. When they mix, it's a problem.
No.13805
>>13803>just… just get therapy and love yourself.Not any of the anons in the conversation, but why though? Why do you assume it's a woman-hating thing and not simply just another alternative take on feminization? How does it differ from say, a genderbent guy being embarassed about waking up as a girl one day?
How does anything you say compare to sometimes some people liking to see men get fucked in the ass precisely as a humilliation thing? Wanting to see men raped, pathetic, crying, etc?
I think you're projecting the western trannoid TIFs that are common but in CN/KR circles (where cuntboy is most popular as a fetish) it's done simply for the fetish or because seeing a man lose his dick (status point) is interesting in that same vein of genderbent but still male. Sometimes it's not that deep.
No.13806
>>13803I feel the same way, though its fine for them to do whatever as long as it is its own genre with its own tag instead of trying to tape it to bl.
Yeah, you can be both but keep them seperate, bl has to have dicks attached to both, cb can do whatever it wants. The less I see it, the less I think about it, and the more I'm not going to question what exactly is behind adding a vagina to a guy. Plus if its a seperate genre, it can have room to grow into whatever it wants. Its a win win.
No.13807
>>13805I say that to the women who see giving a man a pussy for the sake of a humiliation fetish to love themselves. Seeing your genitalia as the most humiliating thing isn't something to be proud of.
No.13809
>>13797>>13799I heavily dislike cuntboy and tif stuff but I see what you two mean. You both are honest about it being a fetish having nothing to do with self insertion. That isn't being a fakejoshi, that's just being a freaky pervert. I don't know why is that so hard to grasp for some nonas here.
No.13810
>>13772>I've been forced to see the Japanese melting down over fans making a private server for Nier:ReincarnationThe thing that gets me about the discourse is that they keep calling westerners thieves, as if Square is losing money on people playing a product they don't support anymore. As if there's no secondhand game stores in japan where people can also obtain unsupported games without giving the company money. It's insane.
No.13811
>>13809they can like whatever gross shit they want but PIV is still not yaoi
No.13812
>>13810They're sperging not just because of the potential loss of income for Square Enix but also because if the official server was shut down by SE that means SE wanted everyone to stop playing and to move on, and you're going against the game developers' wish. They assume that higher ups in a company that oversees anything linked in finance and marketing and shut down servers to save a little bit of money and/or force players to buy and play the eventual rerelease or remake or remaster are advocating for artists and devs' wish to nuke a perfectly functional game. SE are a bunch of scammers and keep losing source codes for their most popular games like FF7 and FFT (and the remake was only possible thanks to some fan keeping a copy of the source code thanks to… piracy, who would have thought) fuck SE. Keep in mind that twitter is full of normalfags within Japan, you're a lot more likely to find opinions from Japanese normalfags who don't know how companies work and think the law is always just and moral. The same justice system leads to all sorts of bullshit like the stalker being released once again and killing his ex girlfriend in a Pokemon Center in Ikebukuro by the way. Or the same laws that lets Watsuki get away with a small fine with having so much CP at home cops thought he was a distributor. These Japanese normalfags really believe in the "you wouldn't download a car" argument kek.
No.13813
>>13808You could provide an argument or discussion about it instead of resorting to wojack posting like a 4chan moid.
>>13810>As if there's no secondhand game stores in japan where people can also obtain unsupported games without giving the company money. It's insane.I've tried to present this argument before and most of the replies to that usually say that it's less morally wrong because at least you're paying and not "stealing it"….but none of that money goes to the original company to begin with.
Another argument I've seen is
>well, you western pigs should've given money to the devs so the game wouldn't EoS but all you do is steal all the timeWhich equally as retarded, because a game EoSing is not entirely dependant on how much did people spend on it. This is SE we're talking about, they shut down shit all the time.
>>13812> you're a lot more likely to find opinions from Japanese normalfags who don't know how companies work and think the law is always just and moral.It comes from normalfags but also fans alike, I'd say that fans are usually the most bootlicking of them all. You genuinely cannot get a japanese person to understand that preservation != piracy, no matter what arguments exist against that belief and how many media gets saved due to preservation. "If something dies, then it dies" or "We must enjoy fleeting pleasures" is their motto. It's also why japan loves exclusive event shit, and god forbid you take a picture or video about it
No.13814
>>13762>I got jumpscared a while back by the knowledge that some moid'sBut did those types bully the moid? Or do they only bully the women which works they consume? This type of thing reads as some power play for me or i don't understand what, loving the feeling of outraged? They aren't truly morally uptight themselves, so it's not about it, i don't believe it.
>>13776Kekkk, nonna, you're so right, those bb arts absolutely DO look just like this, keeek
No.13815
>>13813The more dedicated nerds on my fyp always agreed that piracy was bad but still understood the arguments about fantranslations to replace bad official translations and how some games and books aren't just unavailable but nearly impossible to use if you get a copy somehow (region locked consoles, massive taxes in some countries, western game companies puttinf out more pc games and online games than japanese companies which changes how they will perceive the video game industry, etc.) meanwhile some normies were like "if you like something that much just go to Japan and look for a copy" without a ounce of sarcasm. Even if they understood that no profit is made by fans who put out older discountinued games they still didn't give a fuck.
Many nerds and normies had no counter arguments for the second hard market kek. Just "y-you wouldn't get it! you're dumb! western monkeys!" lmfao
No.13816
>>13815>Many nerds and normies had no counter arguments for the second hard market kekThey also don't seem to understand sharing your copy of something with multiple friends. Sometimes they like it enough to get their own copy, sometimes it's a one and done. I've let multiple people onto my steam account, so it's not even like the good needs to be physical or the borrower local. Piracy is just that cranked to a billion. I have yet to read about any mangaka or game dev who has had to leave the industry because their product couldn't outsell the pirates.
No.13818
I've mentioned before that 'retard' seems to be making a comeback but lately it feels like 'faggot' is also being used among zoomers without any consequence.
No.13819
>>13818Both are making a big resurgence yeah. The latter gets justified in stan/fandom spaces because everyone their IDs as whatever queer & because they think it's acceptable to shit on gay men lol.
No.13820
>>13818This is one thing from american culture I will never understand, the strong desire to ban certain words because they are offensive words. What should the consequences be?
No.13821
i don’t want to shit up the jjk thread with drama, but did anyone catch the recent twitter situation over gege and galko-chan’s pedo mangaka apparently being at a bar together? whenever something like this happens i can never tell if it’ll be forgotten within a week (which, it’s already almost been a week) or if it’ll actually matter in the long run. and as both a jjkfag and someone with (real) ocd about morality, it’s kinda fucking with my head that i bought a figure literally the day before the drama broke.
No.13822
>>13815What I've learned from this whole ordeal is that Japan really likes monkey as a racial insult, to the point they can't think of any other insults when trying to claim a foreigner was racist towards them.
Also what shitty timing that not just Japanese twitter but Asian BL twitter in general are discussing western piracy at the same time as the Syundei incident, and thus some BL authors are making this about "pirates are the disrespectful ones, we must shun and force out all who do not pay for our works." They have not taken well to replies trying to explain that the ones who bought works to support them already pirated and decided they liked it that much, or rather, the crazed nationalist accounts have jumped in and derailed it all by refusing to understand that concept. They are so remarkably skilled at not listening and putting words in people's mouths, it's incredible.
No.13824
>>13823THAT CG IS REAL???????????????????
No.13825
>>13822Piracy works best when people aren't vocal about it, but tiktok and twitter kiddies love to post about the things they're reading and where they're doing so. I don't blame some artists for feeling frustrated, especially when it's basically being paraded in their face.
No.13827
>>13821the industry is deeply corrupted,the scandal of Daten Sakusen was a wake up call.
No.13830
>>13829I haven't used that site in ages. Can you give me a quick rundown on what's happening on Tumblr?
No.13831
>>13829Apparently Tumblr troons post nsfw nasty shit all the time and get banned which is troonphobia
No.13833
>>13832>>13831I haven't been using that site in so long that I didn't know that the reblogs and likes are now separated in the notes lmao. The video also doesn't mention trans-anything, but the comments do. The replies kept mentioning pedojacketing with regards to the troon conversation, so kek to all those banned. Sadly, it seems that staff is also raising concerns about the ban-wave, so I'm prepared to be disappointed by them.
No.13834
>>13830Trannies are trying to turn tumblr into an honest to god pedophile haven and trying to use tRaNsMiSoGyNy accusions against tumblr to get their rightfully banned accounts reinstated. Everything is being catalogued on LC's /snow/ at the moment.
No.13835
>>13829>Kek. Maybe I should consider looking around tumblr again.The site is almost unusable in its current state, at least if you actually want to search for anything. It's hot garbage that will show you a handful of what you actually searched for and a flood of random bullshit text posts, sorting by new does nothing, and you can only go back so far in a tag. If all you want to do is post or follow people and you find a proshipping pocket of your fandom where there aren't any antis, you can give it a go, but the site is fucked in other ways too depending on your browser. I was dealing with annoying popups I couldn't get rid of, not even being able to log in unless I did some convoluted shit, and the site just breaking if I scrolled.
Maybe there are some new fan xkit type scripts to fix some of this shit now, I don't know.
No.13836
>>13826I have (successfully it seems) stayed mostly blind to spoilers for this game but learning that is real makes me want to crack and buy it.
>>13835What little I use tumblr for has an "after party" vibe that I really like but it is really only tolerable to browse on desktop with all my extensions and scriptblockers up. What's under the hood at Tumblr has never been even approaching competent but this is a whole new level of jank.
No.13837
>>13836>but learning that is real makes me want to crack and buy it.It's probably the most fujo heavy non BLge we're gonna have for a while so I'd say go for it
In a world of a gacha there's not much room for fujobait it seems…
No.13841
>>13835>>13836That's unfortunate. While I don't regret leaving for all those years, on some level I do think the vibes Tumblr had during the early 2010s were something special even if it was still a very flawed website back then too. I also appreciate the tumblr radfems for breaking me out of my brainwashing.
No.13851
>>13850Silver needs to be slammed in the ass
No.13857
Why do teenagers and younger people think if you like something they don't like you need to go outside.
I just saw a post saying if you like incest you're too online and, I'm just confused because I found this post not even hours after being outside, shopping, dining and having fun. Even fat and stinky otaku go to conventions even if they spend 80% of their time indoors.
No.13859
>>13853It is one of those series where you watch a few episodes and get the whose story. The fact that everyone looks exactly the same is also a bit annoying.
No.13860
Today I got banned from a server by a lolicon for being a shotacon
The internet is a strange place isn't it?
No.13861
I remember the website hosting talk earlier in the thread and oh my god I'm lamenting the loss of doujinshi.org every fucking day and even trying to search shit with whatever remains of the wayback machine version is impossible.
I sometimes wish there was a fujo version of doujinshi.org, there's some "new" database that was doujinshi.info but it doesn't have anything that once existed in doujinshi.org specially for old franchises and the UI is a bit more annoying to use.
I did download the last nyaa archive of doujinshi.org and don't know how I'd get it to work even as at least a browsable version. Ahhhh I miss it so much.